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  #1  
Old February 22nd 19, 05:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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Default upgrade question

I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

....and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


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Old February 22nd 19, 05:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 22/02/2019 16:33, Jason wrote:
So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused.


There is no need to be confused. My suggestion is to take your machine
to some IT technician and they will install the OS for you for $30
(USD). In fact they might even do it remotely.

The good thing about doing a clean install is that you can delete all
the useless partitions and all the crumbs that are built up in a Windows
system to render it sluggish after some time. Clean start will give you
a better start in life!!!!!!!!!! and you'll lean something new on the way.




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  #3  
Old February 22nd 19, 06:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
pjp[_10_]
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Default upgrade question

In article ,
says...

I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

...and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


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Burn the ISO to a blank dvd or use some utility to make a bootable usb
flashdrive with the iso properly placed on it (unsure but suspect you
must unpack the iso first but maybe not?). Boot pc using that media to
do a clean install.
  #4  
Old February 22nd 19, 07:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jason wrote in
:

I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

...and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


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It sounds like the Home version doesn't have the mount ISO option. I use
VirtualCloneDrive from Elaborate Bytes to mount ISOs. I know that Win 10
Pro has the built-in mounting ISO option, but I have been using
VirtualCloneDrive since at least Win 7, and stay with it because it is
familiar and a no-brainer to use.

As far as the skipping upgrades, it shouldn't be a problem. I could never
get 1803 to upgrade properly from my 1709, so I finally downloaded 1809
using the update tool, and ran setup from there.

Two things: One, if you don't want to do a clean install, don't boot from
the ISO, just run setup.exe.
Two, you might run into a problem if there is some hardware feature on
your laptop that is not supported with a newer version of Win 10. So make
a couple of backups of your system drive before trying to upgrade this
way, since you might have to go back to 1703 if that is the case.
  #6  
Old February 22nd 19, 11:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default upgrade question

Jason wrote in
:

In article ,
says...
Burn the ISO to a blank dvd or use some utility to make a bootable usb
flashdrive with the iso properly placed on it (unsure but suspect you
must unpack the iso first but maybe not?). Boot pc using that media to
do a clean install.

Thanks. I want NOT to do a clean install if I can possibly avoid it. It
would mean re-installing a ton of stuff.

What I really want is for the system to help pinpoint what prevents the
operation from completing. If I knew, I could probably repair what was
wrong. Am I naive to think that the answer is somewhere in the huge log
files the upgrade creates? I've had MS techs look and they couldn't

tell
me either.

I was a software developer for a long time. I simply cannot imagine
telling my manager: "Our software is failing in the field but we don't
know why or how to fix it."


I had the same issue a few months back, I think it was Oct.
point is that trying to upgrade failed every month.
I finally just wiped and did a clean install.
updates have been working fine since then.
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  #7  
Old February 22nd 19, 11:26 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/22/19 1:15 PM, lonelydad wrote:
Jason wrote in
:

I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

...and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


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It sounds like the Home version doesn't have the mount ISO option. I use
VirtualCloneDrive from Elaborate Bytes to mount ISOs. I know that Win 10
Pro has the built-in mounting ISO option, but I have been using
VirtualCloneDrive since at least Win 7, and stay with it because it is
familiar and a no-brainer to use.

As far as the skipping upgrades, it shouldn't be a problem. I could never
get 1803 to upgrade properly from my 1709, so I finally downloaded 1809
using the update tool, and ran setup from there.

Two things: One, if you don't want to do a clean install, don't boot from
the ISO, just run setup.exe.
Two, you might run into a problem if there is some hardware feature on
your laptop that is not supported with a newer version of Win 10. So make
a couple of backups of your system drive before trying to upgrade this
way, since you might have to go back to 1703 if that is the case.


I agree with the run setup.exe to upgrade. Most people say it works.
I've never done it since my system has had no issue jumping, but it's a
newer laptop. I only clean load when it benefits me, like removes
manufacturer stuff on my wife's PC of 6 years (and upgrade to SSD).

The windows 10 site
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
will make the USB drive if you wish without finding special software.
You can still plug it in and run setup from there I would guess.
  #8  
Old February 22nd 19, 11:29 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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lonelydad wrote:
Jason wrote in
:

I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

...and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

It sounds like the Home version doesn't have the mount ISO option. I use
VirtualCloneDrive from Elaborate Bytes to mount ISOs. I know that Win 10
Pro has the built-in mounting ISO option, but I have been using
VirtualCloneDrive since at least Win 7, and stay with it because it is
familiar and a no-brainer to use.

As far as the skipping upgrades, it shouldn't be a problem. I could never
get 1803 to upgrade properly from my 1709, so I finally downloaded 1809
using the update tool, and ran setup from there.

Two things: One, if you don't want to do a clean install, don't boot from
the ISO, just run setup.exe.
Two, you might run into a problem if there is some hardware feature on
your laptop that is not supported with a newer version of Win 10. So make
a couple of backups of your system drive before trying to upgrade this
way, since you might have to go back to 1703 if that is the case.


Tested. Mount is available to Win10 Home Administrator
or to Win10 Home Limited User (Wally).

https://i.postimg.cc/SKQ6sStg/win10home-admin-YES.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/BbFDyXXn/win10home-wally-YES.gif

That leaves blocking with GPEDIT. GPEDIT.msc exists on Win10 Pro
but not Win10 Home. Win10 Home cannot join a Domain. Win10 Pro
can join a Domain (at "work") and have a policy pushed out
to stop Mount from being offered.

So yes, Jason can shoot himself in the foot, but he
will need to start with a solid block of steel, carve a
gun barrel and stock with a penknife, heat and pour lead
to make bullets, load the one shot gun, then... shoot himself
in the foot. It's pretty hard to do this by accident. It
takes planning, cunning, and a penknife.

Paul
  #9  
Old February 22nd 19, 11:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default upgrade question

Jason wrote:
I am still trying to get beyond 1703 on my recalcitrant laptop
(running the Home edition). Allowing the Update process to apply
the change has failed too many times to count, despite my trying
everything I can find - clean boot etc etc etc.

So, I'm trying to do it using a .iso file now and am a little
confused. I can unload the file to a folder on a drive that is
not the OS resident one. I can unpack it into a folder and run
setup there, but what I read on this forum involves mounting
the .iso which I seem unable to do. The options for mounting do
no show up in file explorer; a right-click jumps me into a zip
program rather than offering a chance to mount the file. (I can
disable that zip association if it would matter.) Or, I use
the tool to create a bootable dvd or thumb volume.

What's the best way to proceed?

...and can I jump more than one version in a single bound?
Does the present problems of its own?

TIA


https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html

https://i.postimg.cc/G2gwNm6V/OSFMOUNTer.gif

Paul
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Old February 23rd 19, 02:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Big Al wrote in :


The windows 10 site
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
will make the USB drive if you wish without finding special software.
You can still plug it in and run setup from there I would guess.

Don't download the upgrade as an ISO, or you will still have the problem of
opening the ISO to run setup.exe. I believe that one of the options when
creating a USB drive is to just load all the files, and not encapsulating
them in an ISO.
  #11  
Old February 23rd 19, 09:22 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 2/22/19 7:21 PM, lonelydad wrote:
Big Al wrote in :


The windows 10 site
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft.../windows10ISO/
will make the USB drive if you wish without finding special software.
You can still plug it in and run setup from there I would guess.

Don't download the upgrade as an ISO, or you will still have the problem of
opening the ISO to run setup.exe. I believe that one of the options when
creating a USB drive is to just load all the files, and not encapsulating
them in an ISO.


IIRC, ISO is an archive file and you can extract from it just like .ZIP.
I remember problems trying to write ISO to CD/DVD because an archive
program had claimed the ISO extension.

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  #12  
Old February 23rd 19, 10:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jason
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In article , lid says...
IIRC, ISO is an archive file and you can extract from it just like .ZIP.

That certainly seems to be true. Programs that open .zip files will open
it.
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Old February 23rd 19, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

IIRC, ISO is an archive file and you can extract from it just like .ZIP.


iso is a disk image.

I remember problems trying to write ISO to CD/DVD because an archive
program had claimed the ISO extension.


that's a separate issue.
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Old February 24th 19, 12:26 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2/23/19 4:06 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:

IIRC, ISO is an archive file and you can extract from it just like .ZIP.


iso is a disk image.

I remember problems trying to write ISO to CD/DVD because an archive
program had claimed the ISO extension.


that's a separate issue.


They are both because an ISO is an archive file.

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http://notstupid.us/

"The activities engaged in by the Christian Coalition...were a vital
part of why we had a revolution at the polls on November 8, 1994." [Newt
Gingrich]
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Old February 24th 19, 12:49 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Mark Lloyd
wrote:


IIRC, ISO is an archive file and you can extract from it just like .ZIP.


iso is a disk image.

I remember problems trying to write ISO to CD/DVD because an archive
program had claimed the ISO extension.


that's a separate issue.


They are both because an ISO is an archive file.


it isn't, because iso is an image file, with a file system. there are
apps that can mount it or extract individual files without mounting.

association is separate.
 




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