Alternatives to LogMeIn Free for remote access from one PC to another

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:26:50 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

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Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:09:35 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Ken Springer typed:

I use Teamviewer too.

You don't say which version of Windows you have, but some versions
include a remote desktop program from MS.

I believe I used the MS one too plus many others as well. What I
hated about all of them was the one sending the desktop to the other
machine was busting its butt. Meaning it hits the CPU very hard and
some machines could be in danger of overheating.

I have never seen that behavior here. Everything looks normal,
CPU-wise, on the sending machine.

Okay let us clarify. We are talking about operating another computer
from a remote location right? And seeing the desktop and doing anything
on that computer from another one, right?

-- Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2


I *think* we mean the same thing.

By the way, your sig delimiter is broken above.

--

Char Jackson

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Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:26:50 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:09:35 -0600, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
Ken Springer typed:

I use Teamviewer too.

You don't say which version of Windows you have, but some versions
include a remote desktop program from MS.

I believe I used the MS one too plus many others as well. What I
hated about all of them was the one sending the desktop to the
other machine was busting its butt. Meaning it hits the CPU very
hard and some machines could be in danger of overheating.

I have never seen that behavior here. Everything looks normal,
CPU-wise, on the sending machine.

Okay let us clarify. We are talking about operating another computer
from a remote location right? And seeing the desktop and doing
anything on that computer from another one, right?

-- Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

I *think* we mean the same thing.

By the way, your sig delimiter is broken above.

Okay, yes. well which programs do you use that you don't see it?

And yes, I haven't used this old netbook in awhile. Still working out
the bugs. ;-)

--
Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:43:31 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:26:50 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:09:35 -0600, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
Ken Springer typed:

I use Teamviewer too.

You don't say which version of Windows you have, but some versions
include a remote desktop program from MS.

I believe I used the MS one too plus many others as well. What I
hated about all of them was the one sending the desktop to the
other machine was busting its butt. Meaning it hits the CPU very
hard and some machines could be in danger of overheating.

I have never seen that behavior here. Everything looks normal,
CPU-wise, on the sending machine.

Okay let us clarify. We are talking about operating another computer
from a remote location right? And seeing the desktop and doing
anything on that computer from another one, right?

-- Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

I *think* we mean the same thing.

By the way, your sig delimiter is broken above.

Okay, yes. well which programs do you use that you don't see it?

And yes, I haven't used this old netbook in awhile. Still working out
the bugs. ;-)

I think you're getting ready to tell me that it was a specific program that
was pegging your CPU and that it had nothing to do with RDP. Can I just
agree in advance?

--

Char Jackson

"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
I see that LogMeIn have just announced that they are withdrawing access to
their free remote-access accounts and LogMeIn will become
subscription-only.
Does anyone know of other products that provide free remote access so one
PC
can access the desktop of another in another location. I don't need
anything
fancy like the ability to hear the sound from the remote PC or to be able
to
transfer files or to send print jobs to a printer on the remote PC. I just
need to be able to see the desktop so I can (for instance) set up
recordings
on Windows Media on the remote PC while I'm away from home, or access
emails
that exist only on the remote PC. All the things that I could do using
LogMeIn Free.

What I am looking for is a commercial remote desktop service where you can
pay by the hour, rather than pay for a monthly subscription. I need to
support two people remotely, maybe two hours each per year. I won't pay
$30/month for that privilege. The free services usually involve very poor
performance and support. I don't mind paying, but want the payment to
reflect the actual usage.

--
W

"Char Jackson" wrote in message
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On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:08 -0000, "NY" wrote:

I presume I just need to autorun C:\Program Files
(x86)\TeamViewer\Version9\TeamViewer.exe from
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Cu rrentVersion\Run to make
the
client end of it on the remote PC start whenever the PC is started (as for
LogMeIn). I'm surprised the installation doesn't set up an autostart - as
far as I can tell.

On each PC where I installed TeamViewer, it automatically set itself to
autostart with Windows, which is exactly the behavior I wanted. I'm not
sure
why yours didn't but you should be able to easily change it.

Spot the idiot! It *does* autostart - but as a service rather than as a
process. I was looking in the Startup section of MSCONFIG (which is where
LogMeIn is started from) and didn't find it. I should have looked in the
Services section.

On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:59:33 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Mine doesn't show ads when I close it. Instead, it pops up a small dialog
that says "Thanks for playing fair!", with a single Close button.

I tried testing it with login '12345', but it didn't show the message.
I'll make a screenshot next time I use it...

--
s|b

W wrote:
"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
I see that LogMeIn have just announced that they are withdrawing access to
their free remote-access accounts and LogMeIn will become
subscription-only.
Does anyone know of other products that provide free remote access so one
PC
can access the desktop of another in another location. I don't need
anything
fancy like the ability to hear the sound from the remote PC or to be able
to
transfer files or to send print jobs to a printer on the remote PC. I just
need to be able to see the desktop so I can (for instance) set up
recordings
on Windows Media on the remote PC while I'm away from home, or access
emails
that exist only on the remote PC. All the things that I could do using
LogMeIn Free.

What I am looking for is a commercial remote desktop service where you can
pay by the hour, rather than pay for a monthly subscription. I need to
support two people remotely, maybe two hours each per year. I won't pay
$30/month for that privilege. The free services usually involve very poor
performance and support. I don't mind paying, but want the payment to
reflect the actual usage.
I use Crossloop (http://www.crossloop.com/)
easy to use and setup but requires a person at each end.
It's fine for me supporting relatives & friends.
Naturally to use any of these remote access products requires a PC that
is working well enough to do what you need to.
Heavily virus or malwareware infected PC won't give you enough CPU to run.

Jim

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:03:40 -0800, "W"
wrote:

"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
I see that LogMeIn have just announced that they are withdrawing access to
their free remote-access accounts and LogMeIn will become
subscription-only.
Does anyone know of other products that provide free remote access so one
PC
can access the desktop of another in another location. I don't need
anything
fancy like the ability to hear the sound from the remote PC or to be able
to
transfer files or to send print jobs to a printer on the remote PC. I just
need to be able to see the desktop so I can (for instance) set up
recordings
on Windows Media on the remote PC while I'm away from home, or access
emails
that exist only on the remote PC. All the things that I could do using
LogMeIn Free.

What I am looking for is a commercial remote desktop service where you can
pay by the hour, rather than pay for a monthly subscription. I need to
support two people remotely, maybe two hours each per year. I won't pay
$30/month for that privilege. The free services usually involve very poor
performance and support. I don't mind paying, but want the payment to
reflect the actual usage.



Have you tried TeamViewer? It's performance is fine, as far as I'm
concerned, and I've never needed any support.

Per Ken Blake:
Have you tried TeamViewer? It's performance is fine, as far as I'm
concerned, and I've never needed any support.

+1

The only place I have found TeamViewer wanting is in it's Android
clients: the screen handling seems awkward to me - but still usable.

But on a PC? I can't think of anything better.
--
Pete Cresswell

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:43:31 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:26:50 -0600, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
Char Jackson typed:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 16:09:35 -0600, "BillW50"
wrote:

In ,
Ken Springer typed:

I use Teamviewer too.

You don't say which version of Windows you have, but some
versions include a remote desktop program from MS.

I believe I used the MS one too plus many others as well. What I
hated about all of them was the one sending the desktop to the
other machine was busting its butt. Meaning it hits the CPU very
hard and some machines could be in danger of overheating.

I have never seen that behavior here. Everything looks normal,
CPU-wise, on the sending machine.

Okay let us clarify. We are talking about operating another
computer from a remote location right? And seeing the desktop and
doing anything on that computer from another one, right?

-- Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2

I *think* we mean the same thing.

By the way, your sig delimiter is broken above.

Okay, yes. well which programs do you use that you don't see it?

And yes, I haven't used this old netbook in awhile. Still working out
the bugs. ;-)

I think you're getting ready to tell me that it was a specific
program that was pegging your CPU and that it had nothing to do with
RDP. Can I just agree in advance?

Au contraire! How would any RDP be any different than the others that I
have already tried? The sending computer has to send a live video feed
of the desktop to another remote computer. This process is very CPU
intensive in itself. Sure they use tricks like some parts of the screen
doesn't change, so the software doesn't have to send the whole screen
every time, just the parts that are changing.

I tried three remote desktop software packages. One from Microsoft, one
that was offered on Giveawayoftheday back around 2006. And a free one
that was popular at the time (VNC?). All three were very CPU intensive
and I gave up on remote desktops after that. It was so much better just
using the actual machine itself in another room.

Sure when people use it, they probably have no access the machine they
are accessing. So they can't check the temp of the CPU and all. Although
all of mine was just in another rooms and I can check on them. And yes,
you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that converting
the video output for streaming is going to take a bit of CPU power to
pull it off.

Found the one on GAOTD.
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/remote-desktop-control/

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

In message , Char Jackson
writes:
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:26:50 -0600, "BillW50" wrote:
[]
Okay let us clarify. We are talking about operating another computer
from a remote location right? And seeing the desktop and doing anything
on that computer from another one, right?

Yes. I'd agree with those saying we aren't _aware_ of it using lots of
CPU power. I suppose they might have been, but I wasn't aware of them
being particularly sluggish, as I'd have expected if they were that
busy.

-- Bill
Asus EeePC 701 ~ 2GB RAM ~ 16GB-SDHC
Windows 2000 SP5 - OE6 - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2


I *think* we mean the same thing.

By the way, your sig delimiter is broken above.

I think you meant

By the way, your sig delimiter above is broken.

(-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom

In message , Ken Blake
writes:
On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:03:40 -0800, "W"
wrote:
[]
What I am looking for is a commercial remote desktop service where you can
pay by the hour, rather than pay for a monthly subscription. I need to
support two people remotely, maybe two hours each per year. I won't pay
$30/month for that privilege. The free services usually involve very poor
performance and support. I don't mind paying, but want the payment to
reflect the actual usage.



Have you tried TeamViewer? It's performance is fine, as far as I'm
concerned, and I've never needed any support.

Depends what W means by "commercial". If he means he is providing a paid
support service, then he'd have to pay for TeamViewer. (I think it's not
expensive, but for a couple of hours a year probably would be.) If these
are just friends or relatives, I would agree in recommending TV.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom

In message , BillW50
writes:
[]
that was offered on Giveawayoftheday back around 2006. And a free one
[]
Found the one on GAOTD.
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/remote-desktop-control/

Unfortunately, of course, no longer being given away - and this one is
charged per computer, and you have to buy at least two at $25 each, so
minimum $50. (See http://www.remote-desktop-control.com/buy/.)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 22:16:06 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote:

The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain, involved in
many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The hypothalamus controls the
"Four F's": fighting, fleeing, feeding, and mating. -Heard in a neuropsychology
classroom


ROFL!

On 1/25/2014, NY posted:
"Char Jackson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:09:08 -0000, "NY" wrote:

I presume I just need to autorun C:\Program Files
(x86)\TeamViewer\Version9\TeamViewer.exe from
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\C urrentVersion\Run to
make the
client end of it on the remote PC start whenever the PC is started
(as for
LogMeIn). I'm surprised the installation doesn't set up an
autostart - as
far as I can tell.

On each PC where I installed TeamViewer, it automatically set
itself to
autostart with Windows, which is exactly the behavior I wanted. I'm
not sure
why yours didn't but you should be able to easily change it.

Spot the idiot! It *does* autostart - but as a service rather than as
a process. I was looking in the Startup section of MSCONFIG (which is
where LogMeIn is started from) and didn't find it. I should have
looked in the Services section.

That sort of thing is why I downloaded Autoruns from Microsoft. It
lists everything that is started, or pretty close to everything, and
has a search function so you don't have to scroll through hundreds of
entries...

It takes a minute or more to populate its list, but it is *thorough*.

Actually, the list is scary, IMO...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)