'RAID Controller'

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

xxxxx wrote:

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro® SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

xxxxx wrote:
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?



If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.


There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.


RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data.


It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.


There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.


RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with
C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is
a
guarantee to prevent loss of data.


It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

'Hopefully you've got mail!'

"yeti" wrote in message
...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To
setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J
micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

'Hopefully you've got mail!'

No you haven't . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments.


Well, maybe, but I don't think so.


I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way of backing up,


No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.


it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure.


Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.


Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.


True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.


Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.


Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.


Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS.


Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.


It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,



Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.


There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.


RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with
C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is
a
guarantee to prevent loss of data.


It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments.


Well, maybe, but I don't think so.


I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way of backing up,


No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.


it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure.


Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.


Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.


True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.


Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.


Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.


Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at
least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS.


Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.


It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's
going
to be tough.

Take care,



Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.


"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:

You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two
duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.


There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.


RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives
with
C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It
is
a
guarantee to prevent loss of data.


It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

U got mail with my e-mail addy

"xxxxx" wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!'

"yeti" wrote in message
...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To
setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which
configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J
micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
...


If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
Elephant Boy Computers - Don't Panic!
FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
...

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM
Yet wrote:

'RAID Controller'
U got mail with my e-mail addy

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Hi, my windows xp home computer keeps shutting down saying that my raid controller is not working. What do I have to do to fix the problem? Thank You. - Gordy.



Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
26-Nov-08

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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Previous Posts In This Thread:

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:17 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
I'm using an ASUS PC & have just re-loaded Windows XP Home I've loaded up
all the disks I've previously done. But It's asking for 'RAID Controller'
in System Properties, Device Manager, in Other devices. What is it after,
what is RAID Controller for?

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:42 AM
Don Phillipson wrote:

'RAID Controller'
"xxxxx" wrote in message
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If you have no ASUS motherboard manual, consult the ASUS
web site or Wikipedia at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID
RAID is set on/off somewhere among the BIOS menus.
Unless you need to mirror (duplicate) a hard drive, disable RAID.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:56 AM
Malke wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:


The RAID controller is on your motherboard and needs drivers whether you are
using RAID or not. Get the drivers from Asus's tech support website for
your specific model machine.

Malke
--
MS-MVP
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FAQ - http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/#FAQ

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:20 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

'RAID Controller'
You need to know some things about the hardware in your computer:
Do you know if the computer was configured with RAID ARRAY? Two duplicate
hard drives with drive/s C (and D etc) on both drives.

RAID Array is the way my ASUS motherboard is setup, two hard drives with C &
D on both. What happens on one drive happens on the second drive. It is a
guarantee to prevent loss of data. If one drive goes bad the second drive
continues to work until you unplug the bad drive and put in a new drive;
then all of surviving drive is copied over to the new drive.

So, the first thing you need to know is how your computer was designed.

When you did the Windows reinstall, did you delete all of the files off the
drive? Did you reformat the drive? I don't mean to say do these things,
just did you do them. If you did and your computer was setup with a RAID
ARRAY one of the drives isn't being used.

If you don't mind looking into the BIOS you could look under the MAIN
heading, IDE Configuration, Configure SATA and see what has been selected.
The three choices are, IDE, RAID, AHCI.


--
Don - Windows XP Pro? SP 3
Vancouver, USA


"xxxxx" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 10:31 AM
John McKenzie wrote:

'RAID Controller'
xxxxx wrote:
If you have a raid configuration on your PC you will find the raid
controller software on the motherboard CD or DVD. Simply copy it to a
floppy drive or CD. During the windows setup you probably get a request
to press F6 to install the RAID drivers.

On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 5:30 PM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 07:20:07 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



There are several different types of RAID. What you describe is not
RAID in general, but simply one of those several different types. It's
RAID 1, also called mirroring.




It is no such guarantee at all. The purpose of RAID1 is redundancy.
It's used in situations where it's critical that the system stay up,
and any down time costs them a lot of money. So RAID1 achieves that by
keeping the system running if a drive fails without having any down
time.

Since home users hardly ever need that kind of redundancy, RAID1 is
almost always wrong for them. The reason that RAID1 should not be
considered a backup technique to protect your data is that it leaves
you vulnerable to all kinds of potential losses of your data: for
example, severe power problems, electrical storms, virus attacks, even
theft of the computer. Companies that use RAID1 almost invariably
*also* have a backup procedure in place. Almost all home users don't
need both and should have backup in place, not RAID1. And the backup
should be stored on *external* media, kept separate from the computer.
You can read more about why any version of RAID is inappropriate for
most home users at this web site:
http://www.pugetsystems.com/articles?&id=29


--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:18 PM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Ken,I think you misunderstood my comments.
Ken,

I think you misunderstood my comments. I didn't say the RAID ARRAY was a way
of backing up, it's a way of ensuring no loss of data do to hard drive
failure. Also provides a quick and easy method of restoring a failed drive.

Also, I don't rely on the dual hard drives as a backup, I backup to an
alternate storage facility; network hard drive off location.

Loss of my data do to power outage or spikes is next to impossible, at least
improbable for I have an APC RS-1500 UPS. It also provides me with a 30
minute working window if the AC is lost.

And yes, my files warrant extreme safeguard measures.

I do fail in my protection plan if subjected to nuclear attack. If that
happens, I guess I'll have to start over from scratch. Damn, that's going
to be tough.

Take care,
--
Don - Vancouver, USA
"May your shadow be found in happy places." - Native North American




"Ken Blake, MVP" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, November 25, 2008 9:50 PM
yet wrote:

A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...
A chipset floppy is created off you ASUS disk...that is what I used for my
P5K Premium. Windows asks for this in the start of the install (F6). To setup
raid it is accessed through 'crtl+I' while it is booting up...it goes by
quick so just start hitting it when you power up. Select which configuration
you want. After that, in the bios setup... set to 'intel controller' J micron
sucks. I can get back to you on my settings in the bios on the raid
controller. Let me know if this is what you are looking for.

"xxxxx" wrote:

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 5:43 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'Hopefully you've got mail!
'Hopefully you have got mail!'

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 6:36 AM
xxxxx wrote:

'RAID Controller'
No you have not . The email address bounced


Take a look he -
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/extras0/raid.html

On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 10:16 AM
Ken Blake, MVP wrote:

'RAID Controller'
On Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:18:50 -0800, "Don Schmidt" Don
red_1987 wrote:



Well, maybe, but I don't think so.




No, you didn't say it directly, but to the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 (again, note that it's important to specify which
version of RAID you're talking about; RAID 0, for example, is
completely different), they think of it as a substitute for backup.
The purpose of my message was not to argue with you, but to point out
to others reading it here that it should *not* be thought of a
substitute for backup.




Well, maybe. But if, for example, the cause of the drive failure is a
power surge caused by a nearby lightning strike, it could very easily
fry both drives in the array simultaneously.




True. But since having an image or clone backup provides the same
thing, I see no real value in RAID 1 for the great majority of home
users.




Great! Glad to hear it! But once again, the great majority of home
users with RAID 1 do rely on it as backup. The reason I posted what I
did was to dissuade anyone who has that point of view or might be
persuaded to take that point of view.




Again, very good and glad to hear it. I recommend that everyone do
that sort of thing. But note that although that will protect you
against most normal power spikes, it won't protect you against the
enormous spike that a nearby lightning strike can cause.

And again, I didn't mean to make my point only to you, but to everyone
reading the thread; not everyone will have a UPS.





Did you read the article at the link I posted (down below)? I think
it's very interesting.



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On Wednesday, November 26, 2008 11:39 AM
Don Schmidt wrote:

Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article.
Found some time to read your offering, Jon Bach's article. (Well written)

In his article he states four major reasons to discourage RAID; but those
same reasons could apply to any form of storage hardware.

Backup is not a 100% solution to prevent loss of data.
Without RAID you could do a traditional backup at 8:00 AM and at 8:30 AM you
no longer have a second copy of data. Assuming one was engaged in some work.

In the final analysis it would fall upon one's own evaluation on what is
best to meet his/her requirements; the value of the data.

Some folks like Fords and some folks like Chevrolets. This seems to be
changing to Hondas and Toyotas.

( SCSI still has a warm spot in my heart )

Take care,

--
Don (The stubborn Churman)
Vancouver, USA




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On Thursday, November 27, 2008 2:06 PM
Yet wrote:

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U got mail with my e-mail addy

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