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Old March 19th 19, 08:49 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

Hi Carlos :-)

This thread might provide you with insight too!

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...re/kJUmRzk40Zk

Thanks for listening.

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Old March 19th 19, 09:09 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David in Devon wrote:


I've never known any other MVP lose their status on the Answers forums,
even when they die!


The old MVP program rewarded "helping people in a public
forum as a subject matter expert".

The new MVP program rewards "evangelism". In the
Guy Kawasaki sense. The people most able to meet
the requirements today, are "Microsoft partners"
and give dry lectures in public places. They're
the most likely people to receive an MVP reward.
Helping people is not considered to be the
right target now. It's more of a "sales activity".

If you look at the people listed as MVPs today,
look at their CV, they are more likely to look
like sales types, to the rest of us. And none of
them particularly have name recognition. It almost
looks like "automatic promotion for being a
Microsoft Partner".

It's also possible for a person to "decline"
a nomination, and tell Microsoft "look, I don't
have time for this and it's cutting into my
day job". Your first responsibility is paying
the bills, taking care of your own health, so
if a person feels overloaded, they can give
back their MVP and have it awarded to some
other person as a result. Nobody wants to put
tons of hours into countable activity as an MVP,
just to receive a free Tshirt.

Paul
  #18  
Old March 20th 19, 04:01 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:57:18 GMT

Subject: OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird


The simple explanation is that the owner has banned you from the server.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.


It is 'protected' when you can be banned. It is no longer a
'free-for-all' for you any more (now that you are banned).

These simple facts are not difficult to grasp.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?


Yes. I am not banned.

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?


Your Thunderbird's requests to the server all receive an NNTP '480'
error response from the server, because you are banned.


David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:09:59 GMT

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?


I expect that *you* (David in Devon) cannot. It is just their way of
banning you.


David in Devon, Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:56:56 GMT

If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I
believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree?


The owner has the absolute right to allow or disallow any guest into his
home and into his server. The principle is that "an Englishman's home is
his castle".


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Old March 20th 19, 07:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.freeware,rec.photo.digital,alt.hackers.malicious
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Wed, 20 Mar
2019 04:01:18 GMT in alt.computer.workshop, wrote:

David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 19:57:18 GMT

Subject: OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird


The simple explanation is that the owner has banned you from the
server.


He's actually well aware of that.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and
Password - it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in
reality, it is a free-for-all.


It is 'protected' when you can be banned. It is no longer a
'free-for-all' for you any more (now that you are banned).


Again, he's well aware of this.

These simple facts are not difficult to grasp.


They are for David. He feels that he has the absolute right to
continue accessing any server he likes, simply by creating a new user
id and/or changing IP address if that's required. He has no issues
with this, he's been doing it for years. Knowingly, committing
criminal computer trespass and theft of services.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a
need to supply a username and password?


Yes. I am not banned.


That's correct. He has a problem with one or more individuals on the
server he's asking about. He wants to sucker someone into helping him
deal with that individual.

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?


Your Thunderbird's requests to the server all receive an NNTP
'480' error response from the server, because you are banned.


Again, he's perfectly aware of the fact he's banned AND why. What
he's asking for, specifically, is how he might be able to figure out
how the server is identifying him so that he can get around it and
continue being a pest there.


David in Devon, Mon, 18 Mar 2019 23:09:59 GMT

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?


I expect that *you* (David in Devon) cannot. It is just their way
of banning you.


He'd like someone to contact the site admin and request a new login
account on his behalf. He'd then expect the said sucker to hand over
the information, so said sucker himself/herself can later be told to
**** off by the site admin when they eventually get caught providing
David another way onto the site.

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner
could, I believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do
you agree?


The owner has the absolute right to allow or disallow any guest
into his home and into his server. The principle is that "an
Englishman's home is his castle".


David disagrees. I can provide many posts from him clearly showing
his opinion on the matter. It's quite simple. If you run a server, he
has the god given right to access it, any damn time he likes, for any
reason he likes. You, as the site admin and possible hardware owner
do not have the right to tell him to **** off.

If you ban him, he feels he has the right to evade it; he doesn't
feel he's breaking any laws or causing any harm by doing so. If he
feels he has to create new accounts on your server to continue
accessing it, expect to be slimed about it on usenet and other
forums. And, as he's done here, expect him to try and recruit others
assistance to regain access to a site that's already told him to get
****ed on more than one occasion.

Either way, with David, as a site admin, you ****ing lose. If you
don't want him on your site, expect posts like the one you responded
to, with piles of slime about you, and the site to go along with it.
After all, if you don't tell David every single thing he wants to
know about you, he thinks your a bad guy and will stalk you. Oh, i'm
sorry, he'll call it investigating, but, in all actuality, it's
stalking. And trust me on this one, even if you ignore everything
else, you don't want him to be stalking you. It's no fun. He doesn't
believe in any form of privacy, except for his own. You are always
fair game and so are your loved ones. Even deceased family members
aren't off limits for him. You've been warned.


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Old March 20th 19, 09:18 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 11:45:20 +0000, David in Devon
wrote:

You are, I'm sure, absolutely right about that. He was, though, a
self-proclaimed 'moderator' of the Annexcafe


There is no such thing as a "self proclaimed" moderator on
PRIVATE servers.
Either the site owner gives you moderator privileges, or he
doesn't.
Since he BANNED you for criminal activity, he obviously WAS a
moderator simply doing what was expected of him.
(groups restored)
HTH

List of nyms used by BD to try to break into private servers:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
[]'s


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Old March 21st 19, 01:41 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 19/03/2019 20.29, Mike Easter wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.


The split thread business in this thread resembles the struggle between
top-posters and untrimmed bottom-posters.

As an anti-x-poster, in my efforts to minimize the off-topicality of
what I consider excessive or inappropriate x-posting, I typically delete
those cross-posted groups which I don't subscribe or to which a message
thread is OT for a x-posted group.


I delete those that are blatantly offtopic. Or when I fear that the
reply there could cause a "war".

Consequently, most of my messages in this thread were posted only to
alt.computer.workshop; except a message which I felt a thread
participant was 'coming from' the windows -10 group,* ie you, for which
I allowed the x-post configuration which included win-10 to stand.


Ah.

I feel that BD and some others x-post too much.* Those of us who delete
x-posts we don't agree, as described above, contribute to the problems
of thread splitting.* The basic /cause/ of thread splitting is
'fundamentally' caused by the x-posters and 'executed' by anti-x-posters
like me.



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Old March 21st 19, 01:49 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 19/03/2019 21.01, David in Devon wrote:
On 19/03/2019 19:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 12.56, David in Devon wrote:
On 19/03/2019 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted
hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were
transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird,
but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png





A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq
but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to
do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and
Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in
reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a
need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if
you
need to login or not.* You have to set that up for no login
required.
Server settings-Security Settings** I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png




No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.* But the news server can demand authentication
from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal
entry?

I believe it important to read posts from ALL participants in any thread
in order to garner the necessary background. Mike Easter has made some
valid points which you may care to review and, of course, my responses
to him.


I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.


May I refer you to this thread on Google Groups?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...op/6_GWCeyqRco


Ok.


Mike' made a number of posts in this thread, but most are confined to
'my' group - 'alt.computer.workshop'.

You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.

I did try. That does not work.

Perhaps you have sufficient knowledge to comment further. If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php


So what?


Can you see that same info. page if you look on the www.tekrider.net
website? (rather than using archive.org as I had to do).


I don't see how that relates. It simply shows that the page removed
that information part at some point in time. It doesn't follow at all
any malice on the old page. I have seen several similar information
pages, some more complete. Example: http://webkay.robinlinus.com/


About the rest, nothing to comment from me.

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Old March 21st 19, 09:34 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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On 21/03/2019 01:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 20.29, Mike Easter wrote:
Carlos E.R. wrote:
I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.


The split thread business in this thread resembles the struggle between
top-posters and untrimmed bottom-posters.

As an anti-x-poster, in my efforts to minimize the off-topicality of
what I consider excessive or inappropriate x-posting, I typically delete
those cross-posted groups which I don't subscribe or to which a message
thread is OT for a x-posted group.


I delete those that are blatantly offtopic. Or when I fear that the
reply there could cause a "war".

Consequently, most of my messages in this thread were posted only to
alt.computer.workshop; except a message which I felt a thread
participant was 'coming from' the windows -10 group,* ie you, for which
I allowed the x-post configuration which included win-10 to stand.


Ah.


I'd like for you to stay in 'my' Usenet group, Carlos! :-)

I feel that BD and some others x-post too much.* Those of us who delete
x-posts we don't agree, as described above, contribute to the problems
of thread splitting.* The basic /cause/ of thread splitting is
'fundamentally' caused by the x-posters and 'executed' by anti-x-posters
like me.


I do understand why Mike Easter does this.

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Old March 21st 19, 10:27 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:34:36 +0000, David in Devon
wrote:

I'd like for you to stay in 'my' Usenet group, Carlos!


You don't moderate ANY Usenet groups.

If you had bothered to read his replies, you might have
noticed he caught on to you.
In fact he inferred trying to break into private servers was
illegal.
So I doubt very much he will reply to any emails you send him
asking for "help".

List of nyms used by BD to try to break into and disrupt
private servers:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php
[]'s
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