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  #1  
Old March 7th 19, 01:48 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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Hi All,

This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi
picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others
aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and
to help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere.

And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot".

And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just
hold your nose.

-T


Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 8 Major Reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSykL1I-WIc

Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 2019 Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakjTLUuF-w


If you don't want to watch the videos, here is his list.

1. Windows Updates - As a system admin having the computer force
updates on my users makes me rage. I set the GPO and
Off-Times, however it still finds a way to update at
inconvenient times.

2. Windows Store - Microsoft store is horrid! It's the worst
implementation of forced bloatware and a bold cash grab
that just spits in our faces. Windows 8 should of taught
Microsoft, but no, it had to continue in Windows 10.

3. Notification Bar - It sucks... its worthless, and overall
just pointless.

4. Security Center - This technically started in Windows 7,
but has carried on and just become more bloated. I want to
pick my Anti-Virus, and choose my firewall settings.

5. Removal of Safe mode on boot - WTF!? I have to boot into
Windows hold shift and reboot to get to safe mode?
Really!?! Microsoft go home you are drunk!

6. Security - This could be a video in of itself, Major
security issues this past year like the Windows Share
exploit from the leaked NSA tools. I am still upset
at Microsoft for wasting my weekends patching this.

7. Bi-Annual System Upgrades - Why!? just Why!? October
update anyone?

8. File Sharing sucks in Windows - Ugh $C and the permissions
just make me want to rage
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  #2  
Old March 7th 19, 02:09 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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T wrote:
Hi All,

This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi
picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others
aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and
to help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere.

And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot".

And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just
hold your nose.

-T


I think a better article, would be finding a survey article
that details what the average user wants. Is an out-of-box
configuration sufficient ? Maybe that's all you need, for
the average user.

Having a series of picky people with some level of
skill analyze an OS, isn't going to tell naive users
what they need to know.

Naive users will have trouble with everything you give them.

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave
my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have 15 years
of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with the rough edges
of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection work on a new install
(because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I can't get a web browser
to connect to the Internet so I can look up stuff. Between
Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to the experience,
all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The network actually
worked at one time, and there were fewer things to go wrong.

Nobody has "taste" in the Linux world. They're slaves
to convention. A SystemD convention. A PulseAudio convention
(when audio did have a migration story that didn't include Pulseaudio).

Who really needs all that *extra* aggravation.

And they can never leave well enough alone (just like Microsoft).
A couple years ago, I found some Linux Distros that could do
file sharing *perfectly*. What do I find today ? It's broken
again. The "automated Server setup" dialog has disappeared,
implying I'm supposed to go back to editing a gawd-awful
configuration file. And on the client side, maybe I can't
get SMBv1 to work, and there's no documentation about
what I have to do to fix it.

Suite Jesus, sir.

Paul
  #3  
Old March 7th 19, 02:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
John Doe[_8_]
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Paul wrote:

T wrote:


This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi
picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others
aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and to
help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere.

And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot".

And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just hold your
nose.


I think a better article, would be finding a survey article that
details what the average user wants. Is an out-of-box
configuration sufficient ? Maybe that's all you need, for the
average user.

Having a series of picky people with some level of skill analyze
an OS, isn't going to tell naive users what they need to know.

Naive users will have trouble with everything you give them.

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my
grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have 15 years
of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with the rough
edges of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection work
on a new install (because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I
can't get a web browser to connect to the Internet so I can look
up stuff. Between Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to
the experience, all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The
network actually worked at one time, and there were fewer things
to go wrong.

Nobody has "taste" in the Linux world. They're slaves to
convention. A SystemD convention. A PulseAudio convention (when
audio did have a migration story that didn't include Pulseaudio).

Who really needs all that *extra* aggravation.

And they can never leave well enough alone (just like Microsoft).
A couple years ago, I found some Linux Distros that could do file
sharing *perfectly*. What do I find today ? It's broken again. The
"automated Server setup" dialog has disappeared, implying I'm
supposed to go back to editing a gawd-awful configuration file.
And on the client side, maybe I can't get SMBv1 to work, and
there's no documentation about what I have to do to fix it.


Yep! I'm glad you can take the time to spell it out, more than I
understand. But I know it's true. I've always played with stuff over
my head, I know what a wild goose chase looks like.

And then Like the original poster mentions Like the "Windows Store"
and I'm Like "What store?" That's Like for smartphone users.

  #4  
Old March 7th 19, 02:46 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike
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On 3/6/2019 5:48 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi
picking on someone.┬* My purpose for posting is to make others
aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and
to help others.┬* So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere.

And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot".

And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10.┬* Just
hold your nose.

-T


Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 8 Major Reasons
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSykL1I-WIc

Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 2019 Update
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakjTLUuF-w


If you don't want to watch the videos, here is his list.


I'd agree with most of this. Life sucks. Windows sucks.
What's your alternative?
Sure, you can hang on to XP until it no longer meets your needs.
I did that for 3 years on Win7.
But, changing to win10 is INEVITABLE. Not IF, but WHEN.


1. Windows Updates - As a system admin having the computer force
┬*┬* updates on my users makes me rage. I set the GPO and
┬*┬* Off-Times, however it still finds a way to update at
┬*┬* inconvenient times.

I bitched about that deal breaker for a long time. Currently, windows
update
manager seems to make this bearable.
If you have a metered connection, that's a problem.
Maybe we should invoice MS for our internet overages.

2. Windows Store - Microsoft store is horrid! It's the worst
┬*┬* implementation of forced bloatware and a bold cash grab
┬*┬* that just spits in our faces. Windows 8 should of taught
┬*┬* Microsoft, but no, it had to continue in Windows 10.

3. Notification Bar - It sucks... its worthless, and overall
┬*┬* just pointless.

4. Security Center - This technically started in Windows 7,
┬*┬* but has carried on and just become more bloated. I want to
┬*┬* pick my Anti-Virus, and choose my firewall settings.

Comodo internet security free.

5. Removal of Safe mode on boot - WTF!? I have to boot into
┬*┬* Windows hold shift and reboot to get to safe mode?
┬*┬* Really!?! Microsoft go home you are drunk!

That's not a big deal. The big deal is when you can't boot into
windows.
But, there's a workaround for that too...if you plan ahead.

6. Security - This could be a video in of itself, Major
┬*┬* security issues this past year like the Windows Share
┬*┬* exploit from the leaked NSA tools. I am still upset
┬*┬* at Microsoft for wasting my weekends patching this.

What are you able to do about it? If you were in charge,
what would you have done? Your choices may not have been
my choices, so I'd still be bitching.

7. Bi-Annual System Upgrades - Why!? just Why!? October
┬*┬* update anyone?

8. File Sharing sucks in Windows - Ugh $C and the permissions
┬*┬* just make me want to rage


You can't please everybody. There is a small percentage of users
with REAL problems with some win 10 issues. There are a few
people like you and me who like to bitch about perceived
injustice.
You can be sure
that M$ DGAF about any of us. There's some bean counter disconnected
from the world of joe average cracking the whip. He cares not one
bit if it costs you $100 in time to add 10-cents to the M$ bottom line.
He's more interested in that bonus that will pay for a bigger boat.

We all hate it, but resistance is futile. It just raises your blood
pressure. And computer support is WAY cheaper than medical bills.

You can swim against the current or just sit on your inner tube
and float along with the current. The Windows 10 waterfall is
somewhere downstream. The current will continue downstream whether you like
it or not. It's better to plan, even if you're not
ready to execute that plan. Resistance is a waste of energy.

Frankly, I'm amazed that windows (or linuix) works at all.
  #5  
Old March 7th 19, 03:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Mike wrote:


You can't please everybody.


My plan is to keep a herd of OSes, like I always have.

Even if my swear jar is filled to overflowing with quarters.

Paul

  #6  
Old March 7th 19, 07:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And┬*I┬*still┬*don't┬*believe┬*a┬*bit,┬*the┬*stori es┬*about┬*"I┬*gave
my┬*grandma┬*Linux┬*and┬*she┬*hasn't┬*phoned┬*back ┬*since".


I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is
in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's
HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still
call me first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And
I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five
minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And
they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are
always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help
desk experience with Windows and Mac.

With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It
is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole
different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them.

I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about
it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think
Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both
were solid system, but they just over charged for services
and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just
to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager
very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose
to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was
dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was
extraordinary.



  #7  
Old March 7th 19, 07:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 7:19 PM, Paul wrote:
Even┬*if┬*my┬*swear┬*jar┬*is┬*filled┬*to┬*overflow ing┬*with┬*quarters.


Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most
--Mark Twain

Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind,
it doesn't matter.
--Mark Twain

  #8  
Old March 7th 19, 07:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave
my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is
in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's
HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still
call me first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And
I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five
minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And
they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are
always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help
desk experience with Windows and Mac.

With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It
is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole
different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them.

I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about
it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think
Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both
were solid system, but they just over charged for services
and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just
to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager
very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose
to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was
dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was
extraordinary.


There's a big difference between Sun and Linux.

On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the
APIs were documented. I could write a program and use
a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it
"didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility.
I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using
their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed
hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off
for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than
that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable.

When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first.
But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again,
lots of documentation.

With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for
example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source"
kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to
bootstrap from, that's pretty good.

A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is
a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to
a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem
getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers).
So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't
find any documentation to sort it out.

There's just no comparison between the good ole days
with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes
you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency
which means every time a new release comes out, stuff
that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable
situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit,
it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.)

Paul
  #9  
Old March 7th 19, 07:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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On 3/7/19 2:42 AM, Paul wrote:
There's┬*just┬*no┬*comparison┬*between┬*the┬*good┬ *ole┬*days
with┬*Sun,┬*and┬*what┬*I┬*find┬*in┬*Linux┬*now.┬*Y es,┬*sometimes
you┬*find┬*Linux┬*stuff┬*that┬*works,┬*but┬*there' s┬*a┬*lack┬*of┬*consistency
which┬*means┬*every┬*time┬*a┬*new┬*release┬*comes┬ *out,┬*stuff
that┬*used┬*to┬*work┬*could┬*be┬*broken┬*again.┬*( The┬*lamentable
situation┬*with┬*File┬*Sharing┬*being┬*an┬*example .┬*Dammit,
it┬*worked *perfectly*┬*at┬*one┬*point.┬*How┬*annoying.)

┬*┬*┬*Paul

Ditto, I always shutter when I have to or think about going to the next
revision. I test for months in a VM to see what land mines are in place.

  #10  
Old March 7th 19, 08:42 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 7:19 PM, Paul wrote:
Even┬*if┬*my┬*swear┬*jar┬*is┬*filled┬*to┬*overflow ing┬*with┬*quarters.


I was fighting last night to get Metasploit running again under
Fedora. Seems like every few months it has to be fussed with.
I had to uninstall two different postgresql's (10 and 11) and
install just one (10). Then manually recreate the Metasploit
users and database. Then figure out that the original database
would not create because something was wrong with it. When I
figured it out and where it was, I just erased the old database
and started over, which is what I wanted in the first place.

The procedure I followed is now painstakingly documents. I am
ready for next months Metasploit debacle.

Now, not an admission that I cuss, but I would have filled your
cuss jar to the point that the two of us would be in coffee and
tea for a few weeks at least.

The idea that no gentleman ever swears is all wrong. He can
swear and still be a gentleman, if he does it in a nice
and benevolent and affectionate way.

--Mark Twain - Private and Public Morals speech, 1906

  #11  
Old March 7th 19, 08:44 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 11:42 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave
my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


I have a few Grandmas" on Linux.┬* They still call me, but when they
buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is
in Firefox.┬*┬* "Its printing!┬* Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the
print button".┬* Then I show them the print button, again.┬* (Linux's
HP print support is getting pretty good as of late.┬* They should still
call me first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP.┬* And
I give them desktop icons to press on.┬* They forget about five
minutes after I leave that they are not running XP.┬* And
they very very seldom ever call me.┬* Windows Garndma's are
always calling me.┬* This makes sense if you look at IBM's help
desk experience with Windows and Mac.

With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues.┬* It
is mainly installation of things and training.┬* It is a whole
different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them.

I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about
it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS.┬* I think
Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware.┬* Both
were solid system, but they just over charged for services
and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.┬* Netware was just
to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain.┬* I did manager
very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose
to charge for consulting services.┬* When NT hit, Netware was
dead.┬* Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was
extraordinary.


There's a big difference between Sun and Linux.

On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the
APIs were documented. I could write a program and use
a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it
"didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility.
I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using
their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed
hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off
for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than
that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable.

When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first.
But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again,
lots of documentation.

With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for
example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source"
kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to
bootstrap from, that's pretty good.

A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is
a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to
a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem
getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers).
So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't
find any documentation to sort it out.

There's just no comparison between the good ole days
with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes
you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency
which means every time a new release comes out, stuff
that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable
situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit,
it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.)

┬*┬* Paul


I though Sun OS was beautifully done, but too expensive to operate.

Try your hand at Fedora next. I adore it.

  #12  
Old March 7th 19, 08:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 11:55 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 3/7/19 2:42 AM, Paul wrote:
There's┬*just┬*no┬*comparison┬*between┬*the┬*good┬ *ole┬*days
with┬*Sun,┬*and┬*what┬*I┬*find┬*in┬*Linux┬*now.┬*Y es,┬*sometimes
you┬*find┬*Linux┬*stuff┬*that┬*works,┬*but┬*there' s┬*a┬*lack┬*of┬*consistency
which┬*means┬*every┬*time┬*a┬*new┬*release┬*comes┬ *out,┬*stuff
that┬*used┬*to┬*work┬*could┬*be┬*broken┬*again.┬*( The┬*lamentable
situation┬*with┬*File┬*Sharing┬*being┬*an┬*example .┬*Dammit,
it┬*worked *perfectly*┬*at┬*one┬*point.┬*How┬*annoying.)

┬*┬*┬*┬*Paul

Ditto, I always shutter when I have to or think about going to the next
revision.┬* I test for months in a VM to see what land mines are in place.


Hi Big Al,

Since I am a big Fedora guy and it upgrades versions every year,
I am use to it. Mostly the updates are already there under
to older version so no big surprises.

Fedora 29 is rock solid, but Xfce went from 4.12 to 4.12, and
4.13 is a dog -- odd number releases are Xfce's experimental
versions and Xfce freely admits it is a dog. I have seven or
so bug reports on 4.13. Mate is really solid thought and
very similar.

Fedora is a shining example of Kaisen (constant improvement).
They have a wonderful handle on it. I actually look forward to
their updates for all the bug fixes and new features. (Not
so with Windows, as I have to hold my breath and hope it works
afterwards.)

I still run new releases under a VM as you do. I typically have
a identical version Fedora in a VM as my host, so I can practice
various network things back and forth.

-T

  #13  
Old March 7th 19, 08:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Eric Stevens
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul
wrote:

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave
my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is
in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's
HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still
call me first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And
I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five
minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And
they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are
always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help
desk experience with Windows and Mac.

With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It
is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole
different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them.

I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about
it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think
Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both
were solid system, but they just over charged for services
and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just
to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager
very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose
to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was
dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was
extraordinary.


There's a big difference between Sun and Linux.

On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the
APIs were documented. I could write a program and use
a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it
"didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility.
I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using
their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed
hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off
for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than
that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable.

When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first.
But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again,
lots of documentation.

With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for
example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source"
kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to
bootstrap from, that's pretty good.

A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is
a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to
a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem
getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers).
So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't
find any documentation to sort it out.

There's just no comparison between the good ole days
with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes
you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency
which means every time a new release comes out, stuff
that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable
situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit,
it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.)

Although my computer experience goes back further than that for the
purpose of this discussion my experience started with Cromemco and
their Cromix which in some ways was patterned on Unix. It sang and
danced and was extraordinarily well documented. No problems. Then I
went to the much richer world of AT&T Unix on a 3B2 system and I could
do all kinds of wonderful things. Then I heard that Microsoft had this
great operating system called MSDOS. When I read the manual I went
Yecch! I think Cromix and Unix were almost the most enjoyable years of
my computing experience.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old March 7th 19, 08:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/6/19 11:42 PM, Paul wrote:
┬*Dammit,
it┬*worked *perfectly*┬*at┬*one┬*point.┬*How┬*annoying


You sound like a Dot Net programmer! :-)

Why is it again I need 300,386 different versions of Dot Net
installed anyway?


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Old March 7th 19, 04:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma
Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in
Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's HP print
support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still call me
first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And I

snippped

Paul, kowlegeable guy that you are, you seem to have overlooked the
wishes and desires of the typical 'grandma'.
She doesn't want to setup network connections (if they are needed the
helpful relatives would have done that for her), she also wont be
installing virtualbox, or any software that requires downloading. Should
she ever need a piece of software available in the software manager, she
can do it with one mouse click without a reboot. She will not need to
enter terminal mode.
Ah, the wonderful reboot, no need to worry about that in windows, windows
will do it whether you want it or not.
Personally, I would recommend the Mint version of Linux. Now before this
reply generates a bunch of responses or heaven forbid, wakes up GoodGuy,
let me add I know Linux is not for everyone. Some people have work
restrictions and/or need specific windows only programs.
But the old argument that Linux is hard to use just won't wash with a
distribution like Mint or Ubuntu and Mint comes with just about any
program you might normally need.
For those slightly (but only just slightly) a little more adventurous
than poor old grandma, virtualbox running windows 7 is great for people
like me who have a very occasional program needing windows - Intuit
willmaker in my case. Not quicken, use Gnucash and it will import all
your quicken stuff. The helpful relative can do this for grandma.
End of rant!
 




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