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  #31  
Old March 8th 19, 01:43 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Mike" wrote

| How often do you think space station inhabitants install
| programs off the web? Or install updates?

They might be playing video games under WINE.
The extraterrestrial Windows enterprise license was
probably too expensive for the NASA budget. But I
agree: It probably took 6 rocket scientists 2 weeks
to get it set up.


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  #32  
Old March 8th 19, 03:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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Paul wrote:

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma
Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


Well for the folks that I have installed Ubuntu, a number of which
needed to ditch obsoleted XP, I received far fewer questions then when
they had Windows.

Also some that could barely operate Windows,
installing-an-application-is-a-run-to-Geek-Squad level of expertise, did
LTS upgrades by themselves. Basically the only issues I have had with
them post initial install is when then buy a printer and I have to
inform them to throw away the accompanying disk. Well, in all fairness
if they get a new AIO Brothers or HP I get a call where Brothers uses a
script to install their driver and HP needs a upgrade to distro version
of the hplip toolbox to support the newer units.

I have 15 years of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with
the rough edges of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection
work on a new install (because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I
can't get a web browser to connect to the Internet so I can look up
stuff.


Really? Not had issues with Intel, but older Broadcom chipset, and then
only in the 2012-ish versions and with a couple of version chipsets.

Between Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to the
experience, all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The network
actually worked at one time, and there were fewer things to go
wrong.


Once and a dog's age Network Manager can go AWOL when dealing with WiFi
network with issues, but far less than I have experience with Windows
and WiFi f-ups. In fact I find just about everything involving
networking more dependable than Windows. Hell I have found Linux does
Windows sharing better than Windows does Windows sharing with other
Windows systems!


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Jonathan
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  #33  
Old March 8th 19, 04:21 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Paul wrote:

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my
grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


Well for the folks that I have installed Ubuntu, a number of which
needed to ditch obsoleted XP, I received far fewer questions then
when they had Windows.


And the cow jumped over the moon.
I just did an install of Ubuntu (twice). Had to do everything via the
keyboard since it didn't recognize my Logitech mouse. That is unusual in
my experience, but everything Paul said sounds exactly right. Linux is a
server operating system. Always has been, always will be. No comparison
to Windows for the average user.
  #34  
Old March 8th 19, 04:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mike wrote:

T wrote:


Linux even replaced Windows on the International space station
for obvious reasons.


This keeps popping up like it was relevant.
The space station does not run linux in the context
related here. You won't find it on distrowatch.

I'll wager that thousands of gurus built a fixed
APPLIANCE. They tested the crap of it, then tested it
again.

How often do you think space station inhabitants install
programs off the web? Or install updates?


That's hilarious.
Thanks.
  #35  
Old March 8th 19, 06:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Mike wrote:


How often do you think space station inhabitants install
programs off the web? Or install updates? If an issue arises,
the gurus are on it.


They have a Canonical support contract.

A Canonical guy flies up and fixes stuff.

And the space station brings out the worst in computers.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/s...d2d0550e1d8bf4

Paul

  #36  
Old March 8th 19, 02:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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John Doe wrote:
"Jonathan N. Little" wrote:

Paul wrote:

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my
grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


Well for the folks that I have installed Ubuntu, a number of which
needed to ditch obsoleted XP, I received far fewer questions then
when they had Windows.


And the cow jumped over the moon.
I just did an install of Ubuntu (twice). Had to do everything via the
keyboard since it didn't recognize my Logitech mouse. That is unusual in
my experience, but everything Paul said sounds exactly right. Linux is a
server operating system. Always has been, always will be. No comparison
to Windows for the average user.


Yeah right... Only issue ever had with a Logitech mouse is with a M510
which works just fine but does not report battery status because it is
one of the few mice that use the old HID++ 1.0 protocol. But the mouse
still works.

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  #37  
Old March 8th 19, 03:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 2019-03-07 10:25 p.m., Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:

And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma
Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".


Well for the folks that I have installed Ubuntu, a number of which
needed to ditch obsoleted XP, I received far fewer questions then when
they had Windows.

Also some that could barely operate Windows,
installing-an-application-is-a-run-to-Geek-Squad level of expertise, did
LTS upgrades by themselves. Basically the only issues I have had with
them post initial install is when then buy a printer and I have to
inform them to throw away the accompanying disk. Well, in all fairness
if they get a new AIO Brothers or HP I get a call where Brothers uses a
script to install their driver and HP needs a upgrade to distro version
of the hplip toolbox to support the newer units.


I have to admit that the experience of setting up a printer in Linux is
much easier than in Windows, especially if it's directly connected to
the computer. If it's connected to a router, it's also much simpler
though that depends on the router you're using. I've had one which never
allowed my computer to connect remotely and then one which worked
perfectly when I changed ISPs.

However, my cousin's Brother printer was a tiny bit of a hassle to get
working. It's not too complicated for a person who has an idea of what
he's doing but definitely not something a regular user would be able to do.

I have 15 years of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with
the rough edges of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection
work on a new install (because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I
can't get a web browser to connect to the Internet so I can look up
stuff.


Really? Not had issues with Intel, but older Broadcom chipset, and then
only in the 2012-ish versions and with a couple of version chipsets.

Between Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to the
experience, all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The network
actually worked at one time, and there were fewer things to go
wrong.


Once and a dog's age Network Manager can go AWOL when dealing with WiFi
network with issues, but far less than I have experience with Windows
and WiFi f-ups. In fact I find just about everything involving
networking more dependable than Windows. Hell I have found Linux does
Windows sharing better than Windows does Windows sharing with other
Windows systems!


My wireless connectivity in Windows sometimes drops for no reason
(especially when using a VPN) or stays connected but refuses to resolve
any host. I never have such issues in Linux.

  #38  
Old March 8th 19, 03:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andr-o-Mat
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On 2019-03-07 6:47 p.m., T wrote:
On 3/7/19 8:57 AM, dave61430 wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma
Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".

I have a few Grandmas" on Linux.* They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in
Firefox.** "Its printing!* Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button".* Then I show them the print button, again.* (Linux's HP print
support is getting pretty good as of late.* They should still call me
first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP.* And I

snippped

Paul, kowlegeable guy that you are, you seem to have overlooked the
wishes and desires of the typical 'grandma'.
She doesn't want to setup network connections (if they are needed the
helpful relatives would have done that for her), she also wont be
installing virtualbox, or any software that requires downloading. Should
she ever need a piece of software available in the software manager, she
can do it with one mouse click without a reboot. She will not need to
enter terminal mode.
Ah, the wonderful reboot, no need to worry about that in windows, windows
will do it whether you want it or not.
Personally, I would recommend the Mint version of Linux. Now before this
reply generates a bunch of responses or heaven forbid, wakes up GoodGuy,
let me add I know Linux is not for everyone. Some people have work
restrictions and/or need specific windows only programs.
But the old argument that Linux is hard to use just won't wash with a
distribution like Mint or Ubuntu and Mint comes with just about any
program you might normally need.
For those slightly (but only just slightly) a little more adventurous
than poor old grandma, virtualbox running windows 7 is great for people
like me who have a very occasional program needing windows - Intuit
willmaker in my case. Not quicken, use Gnucash and it will import all
your quicken stuff. The helpful relative can do this for grandma.
End of rant!


I have found Linux's various desktops as easy to use as Windows 7
and a lot easier to use than Windows 10 for a long time now.

As for granny, set up Mate or Xfce to look like XP and make sure
she can print, surf, and do her eMail.

The only draw back to Linux is the lack off applications.

Brave and Firefox both work under Linux very nicely.* Brave
is faster, but lacks pop up support.* Firefox has a lot
a nice developers tools of which granny's could care less.


Brave is my browser of choice in Linux and I agree that much of it is a
lot less convoluted than Windows is. Applications generally set
themselves up in the right category and are easier to install either
through the command-line or the app stores the distributions now offer.
I would say that gaming is essentially one of the few things keeping
users on Windows.

  #39  
Old March 8th 19, 04:27 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Jonathan N. Little[_2_]
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Andr-o-Mat wrote:
However, my cousin's Brother printer was a tiny bit of a hassle to get
working. It's not too complicated for a person who has an idea of what
he's doing but definitely not something a regular user would be able to do.


The scary part for newbies is running the command line installer script.
Not the polish of a Windows GUI installers but then it also doesn't
install all the crapware extras the Windows driver packages do. Getting
the Brothers scanner component to install can be a bit difficult.
Something installing sane first helps.

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Take care,

Jonathan
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  #40  
Old March 8th 19, 04:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Andr-o-Mat
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On 2019-03-08 11:27 a.m., Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Andr-o-Mat wrote:
However, my cousin's Brother printer was a tiny bit of a hassle to get
working. It's not too complicated for a person who has an idea of what
he's doing but definitely not something a regular user would be able to do.


The scary part for newbies is running the command line installer script.
Not the polish of a Windows GUI installers but then it also doesn't
install all the crapware extras the Windows driver packages do. Getting
the Brothers scanner component to install can be a bit difficult.
Something installing sane first helps.


I still found it to be fairly doable but I was happy to know that it was
something I would only have to do once. I wouldn't dare set it up to run
through a router though.

  #41  
Old March 8th 19, 07:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
T
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On 3/7/19 4:19 PM, John Doe wrote:
Regular troll from Apple groups...


I was unaware that Apple had a newsgroup.
  #42  
Old March 8th 19, 07:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
T
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On 3/8/19 7:23 AM, Andr-o-Mat wrote:
On 2019-03-07 6:47 p.m., T wrote:
On 3/7/19 8:57 AM, dave61430 wrote:
On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul wrote:

T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma
Linux and she hasn't phoned back since".

I have a few Grandmas" on Linux.* They still call me, but when they buy
a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in
Firefox.** "Its printing!* Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print
button".* Then I show them the print button, again.* (Linux's HP print
support is getting pretty good as of late.* They should still call me
first though.)

I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP.* And I
snippped

Paul, kowlegeable guy that you are, you seem to have overlooked the
wishes and desires of the typical 'grandma'.
She doesn't want to setup network connections (if they are needed the
helpful relatives would have done that for her), she also wont be
installing virtualbox, or any software that requires downloading. Should
she ever need a piece of software available in the software manager, she
can do it with one mouse click without a reboot. She will not need to
enter terminal mode.
Ah, the wonderful reboot, no need to worry about that in windows, windows
will do it whether you want it or not.
Personally, I would recommend the Mint version of Linux. Now before this
reply generates a bunch of responses or heaven forbid, wakes up GoodGuy,
let me add I know Linux is not for everyone. Some people have work
restrictions and/or need specific windows only programs.
But the old argument that Linux is hard to use just won't wash with a
distribution like Mint or Ubuntu and Mint comes with just about any
program you might normally need.
For those slightly (but only just slightly) a little more adventurous
than poor old grandma, virtualbox running windows 7 is great for people
like me who have a very occasional program needing windows - Intuit
willmaker in my case. Not quicken, use Gnucash and it will import all
your quicken stuff. The helpful relative can do this for grandma.
End of rant!


I have found Linux's various desktops as easy to use as Windows 7
and a lot easier to use than Windows 10 for a long time now.

As for granny, set up Mate or Xfce to look like XP and make sure
she can print, surf, and do her eMail.

The only draw back to Linux is the lack off applications.

Brave and Firefox both work under Linux very nicely.* Brave
is faster, but lacks pop up support.* Firefox has a lot
a nice developers tools of which granny's could care less.


Brave is my browser of choice in Linux and I agree that much of it is a
lot less convoluted than Windows is. Applications generally set
themselves up in the right category and are easier to install either
through the command-line or the app stores the distributions now offer.
I would say that gaming is essentially one of the few things keeping
users on Windows.


I am liking Brave more and more. On my bootable Linux flash drives
I use for troubleshooting customer's machines (figured out how to get
them to dual boot BIOS adn EUFI), I use brave as it runs
better off a flash drive.

  #43  
Old March 8th 19, 07:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/7/19 8:21 PM, John Doe wrote:
Linux is a
server operating system. Always has been, always will be. No comparison
to Windows for the average user.


It is any way you want to configure it. I have
configured both and any which way in between.

Test your hardware first with a Live USB. It is
not going to catch blue tooth mice/keyboards
on install. You have to use regular stuff first.

And then install from the Live USB. That way you get a minimal
installation workstation and can customize from there.

If never install from the YUGE two disk full releases.
Don't want all that unused stuff.

You can configure Linux such that it is easier to
operate than Windows 10. You can even make it
look like Windows 7 if you like. (W7 looks mysteriously
like KDE. Hmmmm...)

You only get into trouble when the customer wants to
run Windows software that won't run properly under Wine.
Windows rules the roost when it comes to available apps.

  #44  
Old March 8th 19, 07:39 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/8/19 8:27 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Something installing sane first helps



Still can't get the SANE guys to follow the CUPS (Common
Unix Printing System) naming convention and call SANE the
Common Unix Scanning System or CUSS. Still can't figure out
why they rejected it. Hmmmm... I know I am missing
something.

CUSS and systemd can be a hair puller.





  #45  
Old March 8th 19, 08:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,free.spam
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In article , wrote:

I was unaware that Apple had a newsgroup.


'a' newsgroup?? try more than fifty, something easily determined by
looking at the full newsgroup list, some of which have been around for
more than 30 years.
 




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