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  #31  
Old March 16th 19, 02:14 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/14/19 2:17 PM, Paul wrote:
¬*¬*¬*WoeUSB¬*is¬*available¬*in¬*the¬*main¬*WebUpd 8¬*PPA,¬*for
¬*¬*¬*Ubuntu¬*17.04,¬*16.10,¬*16.04¬*or¬*14.04¬*/¬*Linux¬*Mint¬*18.x¬*or¬*17.x.


Fedora too

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  #32  
Old March 16th 19, 02:16 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/15/19 7:13 PM, T wrote:
On 3/14/19 3:00 PM, Mike wrote:
On 3/13/2019 9:04 PM, bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC.¬* I have Ubuntu. I want
to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on
another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).¬* I can make a
bootable USB stick using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file
that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I
assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file
that I will need to enter during installation.¬* I prefer to get the
file from Microsoft if possible.¬* TIA.¬*¬* Bill S.


This thread has gone all over the map.
What's the objective?
If it's to get win10 on a machine, then

Do you have two friends?¬* It's highly likely that at least one of them
has a windows machine that can run media creation tool to create
a win10 install thumbdrive.¬* You could probably do it at a library,
but they may restrict operations like that.

Stuff the usb into your machine and install windows.
Unless they've changed it in the last few weeks, win10 works just fine
without a key.

Once you've decided that you like it,¬* you have to decide whether you
want to risk MS retracting their offer to run without a key or purchase
a key to activate it.¬* You have to make sure the key works with the
version you've installed.¬* It may be that a win8 or win7 key will
work, maybe, sometimes. I've seen no consistency in what they will accept
on any machine.

According to the many discussions on the web, cheap keys are a crap
shoot.
I expect that most of the keys purchased cheap are illegal/non-compliant
copied keys.¬* That they work at all is because MS has not yet discovered
it or that they let is pass...until they don't.
Stated another way, I don't believe that a cheap key off ebay is any
safer in the long run than running unactivated.

If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

The effort expended on this thread is already far in excess of what
it would have taken you to quit futzing around with linux and use
a windows machine to make the windows install thumbdrive.



Jonathan instructions with woeusb work perfectly for me
on Fedora 29.¬* Should work perfectly for
you too on ubooboo (I can't spell ubuntoo)



Here is the web site to download 10's ISO:

Windows Nein (Son-of-Frankenstein) ISO download site:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO

  #33  
Old March 16th 19, 05:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:
On 3/15/19 3:10 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:
It is, after all, a fork of another tool. Which
means a miscreant *could* be a malware expert and
not a boot expert, just reusing the boot-making code
and be up to monkey-business.


1) The PPA is on launchpad and is copen for all to review
2) The code is on github https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB and the
source is also reviewable and open for comments by others.

Big difference in transparency with OpenSource where the code is open
for review, whereas Win-folks have to trust the binaries they install
without hesitation. You only install things from the Microsoft Store?


With Windows Stuff, I always run them through Virus Total
before trusting them


And you don't really "trust" them.

Doing that is only a cursory examination.

If someone discovers a new exploit, and offers it in a
download, how much good do you think Virustotal is
going to do ?

And the authors of badware have to be careful. At least
on one occasion, a malware author "showed their skirt in public"
once too often. They were careless in handling a new creation.
And a malware researcher got a sample to look at, before the
malware was "launched". And the item in question was totally
ineffective at launch, because everyone by that time knew about
the exploit.

But we can't plan on malware people being stupid enough
to test a new exploit against Virustotal. As an indicator
that they're off Scott Free.

Trust involves a number of things. Including some history
of the product too. If a product pops up "today" and passes
a Virustotal scan "today", that's hardly enough history
for any sort of trust. If a product has had the same
sha256 for the last two years, and it's still passing
virustotal, I feel "warmer" but there's still no
reason to celebrate.

There have been some recent instances of ransomware
which remains submerged for a month before attacking.
You would think there would be little benefit from
waiting to attack, and that a resident AV could
destroy your creation in that one month interval.
There are people though, who are using exactly
that approach, and, with some success. And that to
me is a nightmare scenario. It implies the bad guys
feel "immune" for some reason. And that they're not
going to get caught.

Paul
  #34  
Old March 16th 19, 08:04 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.


One other small point.

https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/prod...i3-2310m-21ghz

Processor and Chipset

* Intel Core i3 2310M Processor (2.1GHz, 3MB cache)
Intel HD Graphics 3000
* Intel HM67 Express Chipset

Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium ===
System Memory 2GB 1 DIMM DDR3 1333MHz

This machine already qualifies for a *free*
upgrade to Windows 10 Home. So your first
step is doing the install. Executing the setup.exe
from the ISO is all that's needed. (It helps, with
Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is
a freeware one as far as I know.)

Win7 SP1 Home Premium == Free Win10 Home
Win7 SP1 Professional == Free Win10 Pro
Win8.1 Home ["Core"] == Free Win10 Home
Win8.1 Professional == Free Win10 Pro

https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html

Subsequent steps are acquisition of license key materials.

For example, when installing Windows 10, you can try typing
in the key from the Win7 COA sticker on the laptop. (You would
do that if attempting a clean install by booting the USB key.)

Or, if you restore Win7 using the factory disc images,
you can use that as your bootstrap mechanism.

If you want Win10 Pro, that could be a free upgrade
from Win7 Pro. But you're unlikely to have Win7 Professional
on the machine, and more likely to have Win7 Home Premium
(that's what is on my laptop). Make sure it is upgraded
to SP1, before attempting any Win10 work, if you want
to try and get the free Win10 Home upgrade.

If the existing image is x64, then the upgrade install
should be x64 as well. If clean installing Win10 later,
it will automatically activate without help from you -
except maybe in cases where you entered another key
or something. If multiple keys are involved on a
computer, you'd have to be careful later to verify
what key it is using.

Paul
  #35  
Old March 16th 19, 03:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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T wrote:

Fedora 29

# dnf install woeusb
Last metadata expiration check: 0:51:18 ago on Fri 15 Mar 2019 05:49:18
PM PDT.
No match for argument: woeusb
¬* * Maybe you meant: WoeUSB
Error: Unable to find a match

# dnf install WoeUSB


On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase:

apt-cache policy woeusb
woeusb:
Installed: 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0
Candidate: 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0
Version table:
*** 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0 500
500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu
xenial/main amd64 Packages
100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

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  #36  
Old March 16th 19, 03:40 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:

(It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a
freeware one as far as I know.)


You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with
"freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy!


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  #37  
Old March 16th 19, 06:51 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/15/2019 10:10 PM, Paul wrote:


There have been some recent instances of ransomware
which remains submerged for a month before attacking.
You would think there would be little benefit from
waiting to attack, and that a resident AV could
destroy your creation in that one month interval.
There are people though, who are using exactly
that approach, and, with some success. And that to
me is a nightmare scenario. It implies the bad guys
feel "immune" for some reason. And that they're not
going to get caught.

¬*¬* Paul

It's about the smoking gun.
If you install something and ransomware deploys, you
have a good idea how you got it.
A month later, the trail is cold.

  #38  
Old March 16th 19, 11:34 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:

(It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a
freeware one as far as I know.)


You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with
"freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy!


That one has been around for years. That web site has
some relationship with Passmark (commercial). They used
a separate domain for promotion.

https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html

https://www.passmark.com/about/

The osforensics item is a lead-in to some products they sell.
The mounter would be the bottom layer of whatever is
in those "cardboard boxes" in the picture.

https://www.osforensics.com/products.html

You can go back further, and dig out that copy of
Nero if you want. That's commercial. But if you don't
have a virtual CD mounter, and you're not running
Win8 or Win10 (which have internal ISO mounters
for your usage), there is the osforensics one.

You can use 7ZIP to open an ISO, but that's not a mounter,
and staging materials from an ISO somewhere doesn't
always work (the install scripts might not like the
contents being moved away from their "root").

The thing I have to watch out for on commercial offerings,
is large downloads which sport OpenCandy. Like something
Easeus would try. Or CamStudio (not commercial) might try,
multiple times. Even a Java Runtime from Oracle, could
have a payload, although I've had trouble reproducing
the experience of others on that.

Paul
  #39  
Old March 17th 19, 02:51 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote:

(It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a
freeware one as far as I know.)


You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with
"freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy!


That one has been around for years. That web site has
some relationship with Passmark (commercial). They used
a separate domain for promotion.


snip

For one you did not specify the "freeware" by name, good job of side
stepping the point. Somehow a "freeware" Windows binary is "safe and
trustworthy" yet and OpenSource with the actual code is open for review
and inspection for Linux is "suspect"? Sorry not buying it.

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  #40  
Old March 17th 19, 11:18 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to
purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC
(an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick
using linux command line something like:

dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb

I know how to do that.

What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that
will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume
I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will
need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from
Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S.


Using woeusb (in a VM), I was able to make a
USB stick with the current Win10 download ISO.

Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso 5,075,539,968 bytes

The "install.wim" in sources folder on that ISO, is
too large for FAT32. The USB stick partition used by
woeusb, should be NTFS. As woeusb handles NTFS OK.

*******

Before I started my install, I backed up the MBR using "dd".

dd if=/dev/sda of=~/mbrsda.bin bs=512 count=1

Then, I install WIN10PRO, which breaks Ubuntu boot.

I boot a LiveCD and do this, and this puts back the
Ubuntu boot code for the first stage of GRUB.

dd if=~/mbrsda.bin of=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1

Reboot, now the Ubuntu menu doesn't have WIndows yet.

sudo update-grub

You should see "Windows 10" mentioned near the end of
the detection, if "osprober" package is present to do
the job.

On the next reboot, the GRUB menu will be present again,
and you can cursor down to the Win10 entry when wanting
to chainload Win10.

It even works with only a single primary partition left
before the install begins.

https://i.postimg.cc/c4crqh7D/WIN10-done.gif

Paul
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Old March 20th 19, 10:19 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase:


I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way
  #42  
Old March 20th 19, 04:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote:
On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase:


I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way


So you can type it with one finger?
  #43  
Old March 20th 19, 04:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Sam E wrote:
On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote:
On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase:


I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way


So you can type it with one finger?


At least neither do stupid crap like embedded spaces...
C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)

When is MSFT going to finally dump that legacy as they did with
Documents and Settings? While they are at it dump drive letters too and
adopt some type of FHS as Linux has so you can easily move all user data
to a different drive or partition without breaking updates...

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  #44  
Old March 20th 19, 11:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Sam E wrote:
On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote:
On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase:
I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way

So you can type it with one finger?


At least neither do stupid crap like embedded spaces...
C:\Program Files
C:\Program Files (x86)

When is MSFT going to finally dump that legacy as they did with
Documents and Settings? While they are at it dump drive letters too and
adopt some type of FHS as Linux has so you can easily move all user data
to a different drive or partition without breaking updates...


/dev/sdx
/dev/sdy
/dev/sdz
??? what comes next ? :-)

And GPT has 128 partitions. Could we have

/dev/sdzzz127

Does the naming scheme handle stuff like that ?

As for what "interests" Microsoft, they will move
"heaven and earth" for topics that affect a business plan.
For example, years ago "oh, we can only do upgrade installs
for the most recent OS". So you can do Vista to Win7,
but not WinXP to Win7.

Then, when it becomes apparent they need to "drag along"
Windows 7 users into the Windows 10 camp, magically
the installer is improved so it can do Win7 to Win10,
Win8.1 to Win10. As if they could handle multiple OS
combinations, all along.

When you see strange things happen (like the release a
few days ago of a new version of DirectX for Win7),
you have to ask yourself "what business plan is that part of".
They have "rules" they'll tell you about, when they
"don't want to do something", then they break the rules
when it suits them.

If Azure needed "Documents and Settings" to lose the
space characters, that would get done in about a microsecond :-)

Paul
 




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