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  #16  
Old March 17th 19, 10:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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"Mayayana" wrote in message
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"Jonathan N. Little" wrote

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| Been using Nitro for years, back when Foxit has a bug with SeaMonkey.

The request was for FREEWARE in all caps. I'd never
heard of Nitro but it seems to start at $50 PER YEAR!
(Though I wasn't certain about that figure. Their website is
a mess and they're not very forthcoming about prices.
Mostly it's just vague marketing mumbo-jumbo.)


Nitro free version "with two weeks of Nitro Pro"
- https://www.gonitro.com/pdf-reader

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  #17  
Old March 17th 19, 12:23 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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"wasbit" wrote:

"Big Al" wrote in message
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On 3/15/19 11:34 PM, Anonymous wrote:
I'd really like it if there were a FOSS pdf reader, but so far in
my searches all I'm seeing is trialware and cripplewear.

I used to use Foxit on my previous Windows installations. It had
the annoying habit of making itself THE pdf default and when I'd
get pdfs, like bank statements, from the Web they'd have an ad for
Foxit permanently on them.

Is there any pdf software that wouldn't do that?

If there isn't any such software then which is the best one for
Win10? I'd like to avoid software that nags me to buy and upgrade
and I certainly don't want software that phones home whenever it
wants to.

Thanks for any help.


https://www.tracker-software.com/pro...xchange-viewer


If the OP is the person who spams a number of groups I'm reluctant to reply


I do not spam any groups.

but for the sake of other readers I've also used PDF Exchange Viewer for a
number of years.
It allows the PDF to be viewed in a browser or locally on the PC.


Thanks.

  #18  
Old March 17th 19, 01:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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In article
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:

On 3/16/2019 12:08 PM, Paul wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'd really like it if there were a FOSS pdf reader, but so far in
my searches all I'm seeing is trialware and cripplewear.

I used to use Foxit on my previous Windows installations. It had
the annoying habit of making itself THE pdf default and when I'd
get pdfs, like bank statements, from the Web they'd have an ad for
Foxit permanently on them.


Did you forget to disable ads during installation of Foxit PDF Reader?


I don't remember. I installed it years ago. When I "print" to Foxit
the .pdf file always has blurbs, which I consider to be ads, that
are permanently in the .pdf file.

You can change file associations via "Choose a default app for each type
of file". ....


Yeah, I know.

  #19  
Old March 17th 19, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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"wasbit" wrote

| Nitro free version "with two weeks of Nitro Pro"
| - https://www.gonitro.com/pdf-reader
|

Thanks. Their page is broken without javascript.
It looks like I'd have to allow gobs of script from "marketo.com"
to even see a download link. I'm not that curious, since I
already have what I need. And according to their page, the
free version adds no functionality over a basic reader except
the ability to add notes.

I also suspect it's not entirely spyware free:

1) No straightforward download link for an installer.
2) Download is managed by a marketing company.
3) Free version doubles as 14-day demo for the paid version.

Sounds to me like a company that's going to
hound you in any way they can to sell the paid
version. And if they won't provide a link they
probably want personal information before
downloading.


  #20  
Old March 17th 19, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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"Michael Logies" wrote

| I have tried Sumatra and went back to the Adobe Reader. It is free, and
| has a lot on nice features. Using Adobe reader, you can fill out any
| PDF form whether is it in the special PDF form or not.
|
| Adobe Reader can only do this because it supports scripts. But these
| are a securitiy risk (google for adobe reader malware).
| Your standard PDF Viewer should therefore not support scripts. Adobe
| Reader should only be used for the rare PDFs for which it is needed.
|

I would agree and use Sumatra in general. I've also
never allowed any browser plugins for PDF. (Usually
if I'm downloading a PDF I want a copy, anyway.)
Adobe Reader is also wildly bloated. (More than 10
times the size of Sumatra, last I checked!) And the
browser plug-in has historically been a major exploit
venue.

But I wonder if it's really true that script is needed
for form filling. I disable script in PDF XChange Viewer,
but I also use it to fill in IRS tax forms.


  #21  
Old March 17th 19, 02:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/16/2019 2:05 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
*** The request was for FREEWARE in all caps. I'd never
heard of Nitro but it seems to start at $50 PER YEAR!
(Though I wasn't certain about that figure. Their website is
a mess and they're not very forthcoming about prices.
Mostly it's just vague marketing mumbo-jumbo.)


That's if you get the full PRO version with editing and creation bits.
They have a freeware reader. You have to seek it out on the site. I
ain't paying any 50 bucks. Using Nitro Reader 5.4.9.2

Google, google, google...This my explain:

"Is Nitro Reader free?
Nitro Software, Inc. develops commercial software used to create, edit,
sign, and secure Portable Document Format (PDF) files and digital
documents. ... The company sunset their PDF reader, Nitro Reader, in
2017, though users can get the same functionality with an expired free
trial of Nitro Pro."

I have tried Sumatra and went back to the Adobe Reader.* It is free, and
has a lot on nice features.** Using Adobe reader, you can fill out any
PDF form whether is it in the special PDF form or not.


Been able to do that with Nitro. My state using special scripted online
PDF form for taxes and other documents and works for me within my
SeaMonkey browsers as well.


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  #22  
Old March 17th 19, 02:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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Mayayana wrote:
Sounds to me like a company that's going to
hound you in any way they can to sell the paid
version. And if they won't provide a link they
probably want personal information before
downloading.


Not in the version 5 reader...

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  #23  
Old March 17th 19, 02:36 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
In article
"Mr. Man-wai Chang" wrote:
On 3/16/2019 12:08 PM, Paul wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I'd really like it if there were a FOSS pdf reader, but so far in
my searches all I'm seeing is trialware and cripplewear.

I used to use Foxit on my previous Windows installations. It had
the annoying habit of making itself THE pdf default and when I'd
get pdfs, like bank statements, from the Web they'd have an ad for
Foxit permanently on them.

Did you forget to disable ads during installation of Foxit PDF Reader?


I don't remember. I installed it years ago. When I "print" to Foxit
the .pdf file always has blurbs, which I consider to be ads, that
are permanently in the .pdf file.

You can change file associations via "Choose a default app for each type
of file". ....


Yeah, I know.


The watermarks are a challenge for some people, and they work out
solutions for specific ones.

https://superuser.com/questions/4554...rom-a-pdf-file

Paul
  #24  
Old March 17th 19, 06:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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On 3/17/2019 10:09 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
and other doc

When I said you can fill out any form in Adobe Reader, I did not mean
the special form format which I believe uses scripts

You can use the Adobe reader to add comments to any PDF documents. When
I have a PDF form to fill out I click Comments and then the T in the
toolbar (Adobe Reader). I set the cursor where I want to enter the
information in the form and type my response, I move the cursor to the
next blank in the form and type in that response. (You can easily
change the color and font of the text from the toolbar.)

When I am done I can save the form with the Comments or for a permanent
copy print it to a PDF printer.

This is not the same as filling in the special PDF format form. I don't
believe there is an script involved in adding comment by this method.
This works on both Image and text based PDF documents


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Old March 17th 19, 08:43 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/17/2019 10:09 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
* and other doc

When I said you can fill out any form in Adobe Reader, I did not mean
the special form format which I believe uses scripts

You can use the Adobe reader to add comments to any PDF documents.* When
I have a PDF form to fill out I click Comments and then the T in the
toolbar (Adobe Reader).* I set the cursor where I want to enter the
information in the form and type my response,* I move the cursor to the
next blank in the form and type in that response.* (You can easily
change the color and font of the text from the toolbar.)


Same here, although it is call "Add a note". Puts a marker in the
document with a callout box on the side with whatever you want to say in
the note. Also I don't have all the extra crapware Adobe Air and stuff
installed.


When I am done I can save the form with the Comments or for a permanent
copy print it to a PDF printer.


Also comes with a virtual PDF printer


This is not the same as filling in the special PDF format form.* I don't
believe there is an script involved in adding comment by this method.
This works on both Image and text based PDF documents


No. But one holdup with many non-Adobe readers is that you cannot fill
out those scripted online forms that the government loves to use. With
Nitro they work. However since Nitro has decided to abandon the freeware
reader and push their paid $160 with all unwanted the cloud stuff I may
have to switch to something else. I installed FoxIt on my Linux laptop
but it seams to nag the begeebers out of me to "upgrade" to paid
version. So as long as Nitro keeps doing what I need then I stick with it.


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Old March 17th 19, 09:33 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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On 3/17/2019 4:43 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Same here, although it is call "Add a note". Puts a marker in the
document with a callout box on the side with whatever you want to say in
the note. Also I don't have all the extra crapware Adobe Air and stuff
installed.

What I was talking about is not the same as Add a Note or as in Adobe
Reader Add Comment.

When you click Comments and then the T in the toolbar (Adobe Reader)

The text is added to the document at the cursor. When finished the
added text looks like part of the original document. However unless you
printed it it can be removed by placing the cursor on it and hitting the
delete key

ie if the original document had a statement asking for your name
----NAME _______________________

When you added the text it would appear in the document as
----NAME ____John Doe___________



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Old March 17th 19, 09:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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On 17/03/2019 14.35, Mayayana wrote:
"Michael Logies" wrote

| I have tried Sumatra and went back to the Adobe Reader. It is free, and
| has a lot on nice features. Using Adobe reader, you can fill out any
| PDF form whether is it in the special PDF form or not.
|
| Adobe Reader can only do this because it supports scripts. But these
| are a securitiy risk (google for adobe reader malware).
| Your standard PDF Viewer should therefore not support scripts. Adobe
| Reader should only be used for the rare PDFs for which it is needed.
|

I would agree and use Sumatra in general. I've also
never allowed any browser plugins for PDF. (Usually
if I'm downloading a PDF I want a copy, anyway.)
Adobe Reader is also wildly bloated. (More than 10
times the size of Sumatra, last I checked!) And the
browser plug-in has historically been a major exploit
venue.

But I wonder if it's really true that script is needed
for form filling.


It depends on the particular PDF you are filling, what it does with the
script.

For example, they can do calculations with automatic filling of fields,
like how much tax you have to pay. Or validation of what you wrote.

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Old March 17th 19, 10:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| But I wonder if it's really true that script is needed
| for form filling.
|
| It depends on the particular PDF you are filling, what it does with the
| script.
|
| For example, they can do calculations with automatic filling of fields,
| like how much tax you have to pay. Or validation of what you wrote.
|

I see. Thanks. So the filling is done by the software
but script might run custom operations. That would
explain why the form filling works without script.


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Old March 18th 19, 03:00 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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On 17/03/2019 23.20, Mayayana wrote:
"Carlos E.R." wrote

|
| But I wonder if it's really true that script is needed
| for form filling.
|
| It depends on the particular PDF you are filling, what it does with the
| script.
|
| For example, they can do calculations with automatic filling of fields,
| like how much tax you have to pay. Or validation of what you wrote.
|

I see. Thanks. So the filling is done by the software
but script might run custom operations. That would
explain why the form filling works without script.


Yes.

Also I have seen some forms that display slightly different on acroread
than on other readers that do not support scripts. I have no idea why.

The thing is, it is impossible to know by only using a tool that doesn't
do scripts whether it is doing it right or not. It is possible that the
script is actually superfluous, or doing something as trivial as call
"print form" and display the button on the form.

In my country, there are official forms that include one page with large
dot-codes (instead of barcodes). To enter the form into the system, they
use a handheld laser scanner to read those dot-codes, fast. I suspect
that probably the script in the PDF generates the dot-codes from the
text fields we fill, at print time, but I don't know for sure. Maybe
there is some specific module or extension that does it without
scripting. Just guessing.

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Old March 18th 19, 02:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,comp.text.pdf
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Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 3/17/2019 4:43 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Same here, although it is call "Add a note". Puts a marker in the
document with a callout box on the side with whatever you want to say in
the note. Also I don't have all the extra crapware Adobe Air and stuff
installed.

What I was talking about is not the same as Add a Note or as in Adobe
Reader Add Comment.

When you click Comments and then the T in the toolbar (Adobe Reader)

The text is added to the document at the cursor.* When finished the
added text looks like part of the original document.* However unless you
printed it it can be removed by placing the cursor on it and hitting the
delete key

ie if the original document had a statement asking for your name
----NAME _______________________

When you added the text it would appear in the document as
----NAME ____John Doe___________




A fill-in form. Yeah, sure it can do that.

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Jonathan
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