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Old March 16th 19, 01:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Micky
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?
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Old March 16th 19, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Paul[_32_]
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


The right-click context menu is a "communal toilet".

It's a poor design, in that when you add the N+1th
item to the list, it can "break" the entire list.
Suddenly, it's slow, or it stops without
completely painting, or... whatever.

It can even crash.

They could have made the list, such that the list
is a series of "slots" and the "slots" only paint
when they're good and ready. Then, a "guilty" item
does not hold up the whole list, and "latecomers"
fill their spot in the list after everyone else
has painted theirs. This would allow you to determine
which items are too slow. Or which items are misbehaving.
In effect, you're isolating their runtime behavior
from one another, so the "bad" items stand out.

Paul
  #3  
Old March 16th 19, 02:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Pat
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:28:04 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


The right-click context menu is a "communal toilet".

It's a poor design, in that when you add the N+1th
item to the list, it can "break" the entire list.
Suddenly, it's slow, or it stops without
completely painting, or... whatever.

It can even crash.

They could have made the list, such that the list
is a series of "slots" and the "slots" only paint
when they're good and ready. Then, a "guilty" item
does not hold up the whole list, and "latecomers"
fill their spot in the list after everyone else
has painted theirs. This would allow you to determine
which items are too slow. Or which items are misbehaving.
In effect, you're isolating their runtime behavior
from one another, so the "bad" items stand out.

Paul


I have been having a related issue for the last few months. If I
right click, the right click menu doesn't come up. Instead, I get the
"I'm busy" spinning mouse pointer. This only happens on rare
ocassions (maybe once per month?), but when it does happen, a restart
is required before the right click menu works normally again. Even
killing explorer with task manager and letting it restart doesn't fix
it. There seems to be more and more of these irritating minor bugs
lately.

Pat
  #4  
Old March 16th 19, 02:30 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Pat
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 10:05:32 -0400, Pat
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 09:28:04 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


The right-click context menu is a "communal toilet".

It's a poor design, in that when you add the N+1th
item to the list, it can "break" the entire list.
Suddenly, it's slow, or it stops without
completely painting, or... whatever.

It can even crash.

They could have made the list, such that the list
is a series of "slots" and the "slots" only paint
when they're good and ready. Then, a "guilty" item
does not hold up the whole list, and "latecomers"
fill their spot in the list after everyone else
has painted theirs. This would allow you to determine
which items are too slow. Or which items are misbehaving.
In effect, you're isolating their runtime behavior
from one another, so the "bad" items stand out.

Paul


I have been having a related issue for the last few months. If I
right click, the right click menu doesn't come up. Instead, I get the
"I'm busy" spinning mouse pointer. This only happens on rare
ocassions (maybe once per month?), but when it does happen, a restart
is required before the right click menu works normally again. Even
killing explorer with task manager and letting it restart doesn't fix
it. There seems to be more and more of these irritating minor bugs
lately.

Pat


Paul,
It just happened again. I looked a little further and believe the
culprit is Carbonite backup. Even though it is set to only backup
overnight, its service was using 35% of the CPU. Carbonite is one of
the entries in the right click list. I'll investigate further, but
your explanation of how the menu is built helped me get this far.
Thanks,
Pat

  #5  
Old March 16th 19, 06:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
MikeS[_5_]
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

On 16/03/2019 13:28, Paul wrote:
micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter.* The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.
*Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


The right-click context menu is a "communal toilet".

It's a poor design, in that when you add the N+1th
item to the list, it can "break" the entire list.
Suddenly, it's slow, or it stops without
completely painting, or... whatever.

It can even crash.

They could have made the list, such that the list
is a series of "slots" and the "slots" only paint
when they're good and ready. Then, a "guilty" item
does not hold up the whole list, and "latecomers"
fill their spot in the list after everyone else
has painted theirs. This would allow you to determine
which items are too slow. Or which items are misbehaving.
In effect, you're isolating their runtime behavior
from one another, so the "bad" items stand out.

** Paul


Hardly an explanation of *why* it suddenly becomes slow other than "poor
design" which is somewhat obvious.
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Old March 16th 19, 06:55 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Micky
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

In alt.windows7.general, on Sat, 16 Mar 2019 18:21:09 +0000, MikeS
wrote:

On 16/03/2019 13:28, Paul wrote:
micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter.* The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.
*Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


The right-click context menu is a "communal toilet".

It's a poor design, in that when you add the N+1th
item to the list, it can "break" the entire list.
Suddenly, it's slow, or it stops without
completely painting, or... whatever.

It can even crash.

They could have made the list, such that the list
is a series of "slots" and the "slots" only paint
when they're good and ready. Then, a "guilty" item
does not hold up the whole list, and "latecomers"
fill their spot in the list after everyone else
has painted theirs. This would allow you to determine
which items are too slow. Or which items are misbehaving.
In effect, you're isolating their runtime behavior
from one another, so the "bad" items stand out.

** Paul


Hardly an explanation of *why* it suddenly becomes slow other than "poor
design" which is somewhat obvious.


I don't always understand Paul's post, but I understood this one and I
thought it was a good explanation and went substantially beyond "poor
design". I don't know one way or the other if it is accurate, but it's
logical and goes beyond the obvious.
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Old March 17th 19, 05:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
JJ[_11_]
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 15:13:49 +0200, micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


Technically, anything added into a list, will make the application to take
more time to process all of them. That applies to any data for any software,
and for any purpose.

FYI, there are two context menu types: (1) static, and (2) dynamic (i.e.
shell extension). Static menus don't take much time to process, but dynamic
menus do (and quite considerably too, in comparison with static menus).
  #8  
Old March 18th 19, 04:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.windows7.general
Micky
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Default Why does the right click list take so long to appear?

In alt.windows7.general, on Mon, 18 Mar 2019 00:24:17 +0700, JJ
wrote:

On Sat, 16 Mar 2019 15:13:49 +0200, micky wrote:
Was it on this group that someone just posted how to edit the
right-click list?::

https://technicalustad.com/edit-wind...-context-menu/

No matter. The question is, Won't making the list longer mean it will
take longer to open the right click list?

It already takes a long time, and I've concluded that it builds the list
from another list every time I right click.

Am I right, or if not, why does it take so long to right=click and see
the list, compared to most other operations?


Technically, anything added into a list, will make the application to take
more time to process all of them. That applies to any data for any software,
and for any purpose.

FYI, there are two context menu types: (1) static, and (2) dynamic (i.e.
shell extension). Static menus don't take much time to process, but dynamic
menus do (and quite considerably too, in comparison with static menus).


I thought that was it. I guess I'm bumping into a lot of dynamic
menus. Alas.
 




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