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  #16  
Old March 18th 19, 01:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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On 18/03/2019 14.11, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 12:55, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 11:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 04.51, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.

the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.

Unless your bank uses it :-P


This is an aside query, Carlos!

If I look here https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/pcbutts1.com

I appear to read Page 1 of 2 pages of comments. If I move on to page 2
there are no comment. I cannot, though, get back to page 1.

Have you any thoughts as to why that might be so?


Oops! I should have mentioned where I found the link! He-

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...SH1A%5B1-25%5D


Uff. I can not tell you what is true/false there.


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  #17  
Old March 18th 19, 01:31 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:26:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Possibly one of those adds you get triggered the blast (maybe from your
antivirus?). I have heard that blast on a friend's laptop once, and
scared me ****less. I must say that you guys on Windows get more fun
that us poor lads on Linux :-P


I've never had a bleep like that before. It sounds like the BBC2 test
signal.


History of computing comes to mind...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_speaker

If the sound system is down (driver is not working),
OSes are allowed to use "PCBeep". PCBeep is considered
to be the "backup notification system". If the sound
card goes missing, software is allowed to abuse that.

That is the BIOS "beep" that is used during POST.

The 8254 generates a square wave. Programmers can program the 8254.
The frequency can be changed, by changing the preload constant on the
8254. A sound you don't hear too often from your
PC, is the BIOS "European donkey siren" noise which
is made when the CPU overheats. That sound is made by
reprogramming the 8254 every half a second or so.

The BIOS beeper/speaker has also been tied in the
past, to games. The motherboard speaker can be
used as a 1-bit DAC, and game soundtracks can be
played through it. (A certain era of Macintosh gaming
did this too, and there were probably 200 games
that did the 1-bit DAC thing... The fidelity is
surprisingly good. 1-bit DACs have also been
used in expensive stereo equipment, in case
you thought that nobody would dare try that :-)
To make that work, just crank up the clock rate,
and the 1 bit DAC does a damn good job. The DAC
needs to be followed by a reconstruction filter,
which is what makes it work.)

Sound cards came along later, and were largely optional
at first. Too expensive for the average computer buyer
to be tucking into the machine.

Some sound chips, I believe they have a mono "PCBEEP"
input on the side, for tying the motherboard signal
into the sound chip. This allows using the computer
stereo speakers, to make the PCBeep noise.

In this simply horrible little picture, "PCBeep" logic
input on the sound chip, is next to the STEREO ADC
block. You can see the sigma symbol, which means PCBeep
is wired-OR with the regular sound channel. The PCBeep
is basically "summed" with the BeeGees Greatest Hits
you're listening to :-) Note that most sound implementations
do not bother using that pin any more, because the motherboard
has the PC Speaker or a piezo coin-shaped device onboard
to make the sound instead. The computer is filled
with "legacy support crap" which continues to exist,
wastes a pin, but nobody dare get rid of it.

https://www.mouser.com/images/micros...00_blkdia1.png

In the past, we used to tie the entry of ctrl-G
into a terminal (the "BELL" character), to the PC beep,
If you wrote code, and put a control-G in your printf,
the computer would obediently beep. If you did I/O to
/dev/audio, then a sound would come out of the sound
subsystem speaker (a different speaker or speakers).

That's also the reason, that if you cat'ted a binary
file by accident to the terminal, the terminal would
beep seemingly randomly, because some of the binary values
were the control-G BELL character. So in addition
to crap and "squares" on the terminal textual output,
some of the symbols processed would cause a PCBeep event.

Paul
  #18  
Old March 18th 19, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Shadow
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 12:55:51 +0000, David in Devon
wrote:

On 18/03/2019 11:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 04.51, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.

the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.


Unless your bank uses it :-P


This is an aside query, Carlos!


CUT_STALKING


All your *queries* are "aside". Try to keep to the thread.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190221143021/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

I have no idea why the OP posted to these two OT groups. Non
OS specific malware discussions are he
alt.comp.virus
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  #19  
Old March 18th 19, 01:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David in Devon
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On 18/03/2019 13:24, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 14.11, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 12:55, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 11:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 04.51, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.

the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.

Unless your bank uses it :-P

This is an aside query, Carlos!

If I look here https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/pcbutts1.com

I appear to read Page 1 of 2 pages of comments. If I move on to page 2
there are no comment. I cannot, though, get back to page 1.

Have you any thoughts as to why that might be so?


Oops! I should have mentioned where I found the link! He-

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...SH1A%5B1-25%5D


Uff. I can not tell you what is true/false there.


Ha! Me neither. :-)

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Devon, UK
  #20  
Old March 18th 19, 01:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.


the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.


Unless your bank uses it :-P


a bank that uses flash has no understanding of security and is putting
themselves and their customers at risk. they should not be used.
  #21  
Old March 18th 19, 01:53 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.


Oh, Youtube changed to HTML5 4 years ago :-)
Surprising as I didn't think all browsers took up HTML5 for quite a while.


youtube started supporting html5 more than ten years ago, around when
the first iphone came out in 2007 and when browsers started to support
it.
  #22  
Old March 18th 19, 01:54 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Mayayana
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Is it not possible to report it to whoever he bought the domain from? If
I buy a domain name, I get it from a registrar. If I did naughty things on
that site, surely the registrar could delete my account?
|

The registrar just keeps the records so that someone else
can't use the same domain. Buying a domain name is
really renting that process of being in the system,
so that you can use AceAndAcme.com and no one else
can. If you buy the domain name from someone that's
a separate, private transaction.

The second part of that would be the actual policing.
You'd need evidence and some kind of authority willing
to spend the time and money. Many times a domain
owner is hard to trace. If you're attacked by a Russian-
owned website, do you really think you can call the
Russian police to clean it up? They've historically protected
their malicious hackers. I suspect those hackers pay
kickbacks to the gov't. In other words, you're not in
Kansas anymore.

That might work on social sites like Reddit. You can
complain that someone called you fat, or ugly, or that
they didn't properly use your chosen, non-gender-binary
pronoun, and they might get banned. But it doesn't work
that way on the Internet.

Even aside from all that, you don't know for sure
that the page is carrying out an attack. It might just
be an ad. Google is certainly not going to be disturbed
if someone sets up websites like saers.com or
tagret.com and shows ads. Google's getting their money.
Ads are not illegal. If you typed in tagret.com and saw
an ad, that's not a crime. That's what we call being an
entreprenuer. It's the most admired profession in America.
And America is God's country. What are you, a commie
atheist socialist?


  #23  
Old March 18th 19, 01:57 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David in Devon
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On 18/03/2019 13:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 13.55, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 11:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 04.51, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.

the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.

Unless your bank uses it :-P


This is an aside query, Carlos!

If I look here https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/pcbutts1.com

I appear to read Page 1 of 2 pages of comments. If I move on to page 2
there are no comment. I cannot, though, get back to page 1.

Have you any thoughts as to why that might be so?


Let me see. As I load that page, I get a popup to:

Protect yourself from bad websites
Award winning security extension for your browser

Add to Firefox - It's Free

(100% Free. No in-app payments or subscriptions)
7,033 reviews in Google Chrome
7,033 users have installed WOT and are browsing safetly




Of course, getting such a popup makes me suspicious. Maybe just
aggresive marketing, though.

The second page of comments has nothing, and there is no link to go
back. That's bad programming of the page. I had to click six times on
the "back" button of Firefox to actually go back to the first page.
Well, no, the comments have disappeared.

I think it is lousy programming. Maybe they fiddled altering the browser
history, I read recently about some browser adding protection against this.

I have to click shift-reload to see again the comments. The comments say
it is a bad site and tool...



What you saw is exactly the same as me. Thanks for taking a look.

Many moons ago I 'tested' all the 'Tools' promoted on PCButts' website
http://www.ms-mvp.org and nothing untoward ever appeared to happen to my
computer.

It's really refreshing to get straight-forward and honest answers. Thank
you, Carlos. :-)

--
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Devon, UK
  #24  
Old March 18th 19, 02:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has links to
click just like a webpage.
|

Not to nag, but you might also consider not allowing PDFs
to load in your browser. They're a common attack method.
They're not webpages. They only load at all because Adobe
has been trying, for many years, to find a way to hijack
the Internet. (Flash, PDF, AIR.)

Usually if a PDF is linked it's because you want a copy.
So it makes sense to set your browser so that you
download PDFs. Then you don't have to keep going
back to the website every time you want to look at it.
A PDF is not necessarily safer on your computer than in
the browser, but there are two differences:

1) You can use a PDF reader with script disabled or with
no scripting ability, to be safe. (Like Sumatra.)

2) A downloaded PDF is less likely to take you by
surprise, in case you were tricked into clicking the link
to it.


  #25  
Old March 18th 19, 02:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
David in Devon
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On 18/03/2019 13:35, Shadow wrote:
I have no idea why the OP posted to these two OT groups. Non
OS specific malware discussions are he
alt.comp.virus



Anyone may, if they wish, post any question on any subject to either of
the groups selected by Commander Kinsey.

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"I am always doing things I can't do, that's how I get to do them."
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  #26  
Old March 18th 19, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:31:17 -0000, Paul wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:26:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:


Possibly one of those adds you get triggered the blast (maybe from your
antivirus?). I have heard that blast on a friend's laptop once, and
scared me ****less. I must say that you guys on Windows get more fun
that us poor lads on Linux :-P


I've never had a bleep like that before. It sounds like the BBC2 test
signal.


History of computing comes to mind...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_speaker

If the sound system is down (driver is not working),
OSes are allowed to use "PCBeep". PCBeep is considered
to be the "backup notification system". If the sound
card goes missing, software is allowed to abuse that.

That is the BIOS "beep" that is used during POST.

The 8254 generates a square wave. Programmers can program the 8254.
The frequency can be changed, by changing the preload constant on the
8254. A sound you don't hear too often from your
PC, is the BIOS "European donkey siren" noise which
is made when the CPU overheats. That sound is made by
reprogramming the 8254 every half a second or so.

The BIOS beeper/speaker has also been tied in the
past, to games. The motherboard speaker can be
used as a 1-bit DAC, and game soundtracks can be
played through it. (A certain era of Macintosh gaming
did this too, and there were probably 200 games
that did the 1-bit DAC thing... The fidelity is
surprisingly good. 1-bit DACs have also been
used in expensive stereo equipment, in case
you thought that nobody would dare try that :-)
To make that work, just crank up the clock rate,
and the 1 bit DAC does a damn good job. The DAC
needs to be followed by a reconstruction filter,
which is what makes it work.)

Sound cards came along later, and were largely optional
at first. Too expensive for the average computer buyer
to be tucking into the machine.

Some sound chips, I believe they have a mono "PCBEEP"
input on the side, for tying the motherboard signal
into the sound chip. This allows using the computer
stereo speakers, to make the PCBeep noise.

In this simply horrible little picture, "PCBeep" logic
input on the sound chip, is next to the STEREO ADC
block. You can see the sigma symbol, which means PCBeep
is wired-OR with the regular sound channel. The PCBeep
is basically "summed" with the BeeGees Greatest Hits
you're listening to :-) Note that most sound implementations
do not bother using that pin any more, because the motherboard
has the PC Speaker or a piezo coin-shaped device onboard
to make the sound instead. The computer is filled
with "legacy support crap" which continues to exist,
wastes a pin, but nobody dare get rid of it.

https://www.mouser.com/images/micros...00_blkdia1.png

In the past, we used to tie the entry of ctrl-G
into a terminal (the "BELL" character), to the PC beep,
If you wrote code, and put a control-G in your printf,
the computer would obediently beep. If you did I/O to
/dev/audio, then a sound would come out of the sound
subsystem speaker (a different speaker or speakers).

That's also the reason, that if you cat'ted a binary
file by accident to the terminal, the terminal would
beep seemingly randomly, because some of the binary values
were the control-G BELL character. So in addition
to crap and "squares" on the terminal textual output,
some of the symbols processed would cause a PCBeep event.


It did sound exactly like a PCBEEP. Although my computer does beep through it's own little speaker when I switch it on. The noise from the website was continuous though, can the beep command do that? They probably just played a recorded sound.
  #27  
Old March 18th 19, 02:15 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

| Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has links to
click just like a webpage.
|
Not to nag, but you might also consider not allowing PDFs
to load in your browser. They're a common attack method.
They're not webpages. They only load at all because Adobe
has been trying, for many years, to find a way to hijack
the Internet. (Flash, PDF, AIR.)


adobe isn't trying to hijack anything, certainly not with pdf, which
isn't even owned by them.

Usually if a PDF is linked it's because you want a copy.


not necessarily.

So it makes sense to set your browser so that you
download PDFs. Then you don't have to keep going
back to the website every time you want to look at it.


it makes a lot more sense to read it in the browser and save a copy if
desired, rather than have to switch to a separate reader just to see
the pdf and then trash it if it's not worth keeping.
  #28  
Old March 18th 19, 07:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 13:54:57 -0000, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Is it not possible to report it to whoever he bought the domain from? If
I buy a domain name, I get it from a registrar. If I did naughty things on
that site, surely the registrar could delete my account?
|

The registrar just keeps the records so that someone else
can't use the same domain. Buying a domain name is
really renting that process of being in the system,
so that you can use AceAndAcme.com and no one else
can. If you buy the domain name from someone that's
a separate, private transaction.

The second part of that would be the actual policing.
You'd need evidence and some kind of authority willing
to spend the time and money. Many times a domain
owner is hard to trace. If you're attacked by a Russian-
owned website, do you really think you can call the
Russian police to clean it up? They've historically protected
their malicious hackers. I suspect those hackers pay
kickbacks to the gov't. In other words, you're not in
Kansas anymore.

That might work on social sites like Reddit. You can
complain that someone called you fat, or ugly, or that
they didn't properly use your chosen, non-gender-binary
pronoun,


ROTFPMSL!

and they might get banned. But it doesn't work
that way on the Internet.

Even aside from all that, you don't know for sure
that the page is carrying out an attack. It might just
be an ad. Google is certainly not going to be disturbed
if someone sets up websites like saers.com or
tagret.com and shows ads. Google's getting their money.


If I ran Google, I'd not like the bad publicity of having my ads turning up where they shouldn't.

Ads are not illegal. If you typed in tagret.com and saw
an ad, that's not a crime. That's what we call being an
entreprenuer. It's the most admired profession in America.
And America is God's country. What are you, a commie
atheist socialist?


Atheist, yes. Not the other two!
  #29  
Old March 18th 19, 07:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Commander Kinsey
wrote:

I also hate menus which open without me clicking them. That was the first
thing that annoyed me when I used an Apple Mac after having used PCs, that
just hovering the mouse over a menu without clicking it would open the menu.


menus on a mac do not drop unless clicked.
  #30  
Old March 18th 19, 07:08 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
Commander Kinsey
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 14:03:54 -0000, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has links to
click just like a webpage.
|

Not to nag, but you might also consider not allowing PDFs
to load in your browser. They're a common attack method.
They're not webpages. They only load at all because Adobe
has been trying, for many years, to find a way to hijack
the Internet. (Flash, PDF, AIR.)


Hijack?

Usually if a PDF is linked it's because you want a copy.
So it makes sense to set your browser so that you
download PDFs. Then you don't have to keep going
back to the website every time you want to look at it.
A PDF is not necessarily safer on your computer than in
the browser, but there are two differences:

1) You can use a PDF reader with script disabled or with
no scripting ability, to be safe. (Like Sumatra.)

2) A downloaded PDF is less likely to take you by
surprise, in case you were tricked into clicking the link
to it.


I expect PDFs to be as safe as web pages. And I usually only view them once. I might occasionally print or save, but I do that after viewing it.
 




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