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  #61  
Old March 19th 19, 01:59 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Mayayana
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I've also come to be wary of people who talk about
"workflow". (I assume you're a Spanish speaker but you seem
to be fully English-fluent.) I don't know where the
word developed, but it seems to be mostly a marketing
device used by software companies to make the use of
their software sound very technical and professional:


workflow is not in any way a marketing term or device.

"In terms of breakfast productivity, I've added a spatula
to my workflow on days when I'm leveraging egg content.
I've been seeing greatly improved outcomes and a 200%
increase in outcome options, since I can now fry OR scramble."


you clearly do not understand what workflow means.

The Internet is full of important people going in circles
with tremendous efficiency.


if anyone is going in circles, it is you. very small circles.
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Old March 19th 19, 02:16 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 19/03/2019 13:59, nospam wrote:
In article , Mayayana
wrote:


| Funny how I've never been infected, yet both of AVG and MB have flagged up
things and removed them.
|

I suppose 2 condoms is better than one if you're
going to engage in risky behavior, and that approach
has worked for you. Hopefully they won't slip off.


it isn't, nor are two anti-virus utilities.


Malwarebytes is *NOT* an anti-virus utility

About condoms ...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/tx6q03ukci...14.52.png?dl=0

A post on Facebook :-)

D.
  #63  
Old March 19th 19, 02:17 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| All code should run on the server. Browsers should never ever run code
without at least asking the user first....
|
| I don't see the point in a browser allowing targeted ads. A good selling
point would be blocking all that ****....
|

What you're not recognizing is that you're making
all this possible. They run vast amounts of code
client-side and spy on you for three basic reasons:

1) There's big money in spying and ads.

2) You want to buy stuff and get services online with
as little friction as possible.

3) You don't care about being spied on. You might
say you do, but you make no effort to block it. So
actually, you don't.

If even 1/3 of people did something as simple as
using a minimal HOSTS file, the whole targetted ad
system would collapse. If people routinely blocked
3rd-party files and unnecessary script that would
make it nearly impossible for the system to work
at all. But people can't be bothered.

You probably have a dozen or so
companies watching you online, aware of nearly every
website you visit. In many cases they may be aware of
what you do. Script allows them to watch your mouse
movements and scrolling. Then they sell that data to
other companies. (Facebook is currently being investigated
in the US for selling private account info and "friend" lists
to "any Tom, Dick or Harry" who would pay for it.) It's
people like you who make all that possible. Because you
cooperate.

Google made billions when they started out, by showing
simple, honest, text-based, contextual ads with search.
It was brilliant, as you say in the UK. Clean pages. Fast,
efficient search. And Google was able to profit. But then
they got greedy. And no one stopped them.

So now, here you are, being constantly spied on while
you shop carefree online, with your double AV condom,
swatting down iSTDs and alarm beeps. Then you say
the sleaze should be stopped.

It's as though you're watching thieves rifle through
your desk and your only response is, "Harrumph! Companies
that make desks shouldn't allow this!" But actually it's
worse than that. You let the thieves in because they
were offering a cheap deal on carpet cleaning. You
could refuse to do business with them. But you don't.
That would be a hassle. And you wouldn't get any free
coupons. So you just proclaim that, "Someone should
do something about this state of affairs".


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Old March 19th 19, 03:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:36:47 -0000, Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 13.40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:26:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/03/2019 00.15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
WARNING! Do not click the misspelt link below (between asterisks)
unless you know your computer is protected.

On Stirling Council's parking page
https://my.stirling.gov.uk/media/442...park-guide.pdf
There is a link to the thistle centre car park, which they have misspelt
as **** http://www.thethsitles.com/ **** instead of
http://www.thethistles.com/

Question 1) Is this a virus? It just bleeps very loudly through the
speakers and asks me to click to update something.
Question 2) Can this be reported to someone? The company they rent the
domain name from perhaps?

(I've already advised Stirling Council to correct their spelling error)

The first page is a PDF, not a web page

Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has links to
click just like a webpage.


Depends on the local configuration - in my machine it doesn't :-)

and looking at the properties
it was generated on 2014. It is possible that the link is outdated and
now points to somewhere else than intended, because of a typing error or
no maintenance of the site.

It must be a typing error, it would never have been spelt thsitle.

Anyway hopefully they will update it now I've warned them. I'm
surprised nobody else came across it before, parking in Stirling is so
bad you have to research first! Even if you pay, hardly anywhere allows
more than a 2 hour stay.


Wow. I have never seen something like that here


To be fair there's not a lot to do in Stirling so 2 hours is plenty

There is the rather magnificent Stirling Castle, nearby, and there's plenty
of parking. Some of it free IIRC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_Castle


I'm doing jury duty (which could be for the whole day), and has no car park. Everything should have a car park and not expect you to find somewhere else!
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Old March 19th 19, 03:05 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:45:32 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
Oh, Youtube changed to HTML5 4 years ago :-)
Surprising as I didn't think all browsers took up HTML5 for quite a while.

So how come a big company like Adobe made such a piece of crap, and didn't fix it?


They didn't make it, they bought it. I guess in the end it was too hard to
maintain and required a specific install for every os. Just like java which
is all also dying. HTML 5 is os agnostic by default. IOS not supporting it
was the killer blow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash


Who uses IOS? I doubt the percentage is very high. Isn't that just small Apple devices?
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Old March 19th 19, 03:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:23:13 -0000, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 19/03/2019 00.16, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:48:07 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/03/2019 15.03, Mayayana wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has
links to
click just like a webpage.

Not to nag, but you might also consider not allowing PDFs
to load in your browser. They're a common attack method.
They're not webpages. They only load at all because Adobe
has been trying, for many years, to find a way to hijack
the Internet. (Flash, PDF, AIR.)

Firefox has some support to display PDF internally without using a
plugin from adobe or elseware. But the rendering is not as perfect. I
don't know about other browsers, but I suspect they do similarly. I
believe PDFs are safe as long as the reader does not supports or ignore
the possible javascript code they can contain.


You'd be hard pressed to develop anything worse than Adobe's Acrobat
Reader. Just try printing something from it, you won't get anything
remotely like what's on the screen. I often have to screengrab it and
print it from Paintshop Pro.


Huh? I never had any such problem printing from adobe reader reliably.


I have, I never get the size I expect. Easier to put it into a photo editor with a screengrab, then you can fit to page etc.

Usually if a PDF is linked it's because you want a copy.
So it makes sense to set your browser so that you
download PDFs. Then you don't have to keep going
back to the website every time you want to look at it.
A PDF is not necessarily safer on your computer than in
the browser, but there are two differences:

And because the leaflet can be printed, with accuracy.


Adobe, accuracy, ROTFPMSL!


Well, adobe or others :-)


Anything should be able to print properly. PDF doesn't help here.
  #67  
Old March 19th 19, 03:07 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:11:54 -0000, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Funny how I've never been infected, yet both of AVG and MB have flagged up
things and removed them.
|

I suppose 2 condoms is better than one if you're
going to engage in risky behavior, and that approach
has worked for you. Hopefully they won't slip off.


But I don't engage in much risky stuff. If I do, the page is usually quite obvious in being dodgy.
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Old March 19th 19, 03:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , David in Devon
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| Funny how I've never been infected, yet both of AVG and MB have flagged
| up
things and removed them.
|

I suppose 2 condoms is better than one if you're
going to engage in risky behavior, and that approach
has worked for you. Hopefully they won't slip off.


it isn't, nor are two anti-virus utilities.


Malwarebytes is *NOT* an anti-virus utility


yes it is.
  #69  
Old March 19th 19, 03:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Mayayana
wrote:

If even 1/3 of people did something as simple as
using a minimal HOSTS file, the whole targetted ad
system would collapse. If people routinely blocked
3rd-party files and unnecessary script that would
make it nearly impossible for the system to work
at all. But people can't be bothered.


it hasn't collapsed yet:

https://marketingland.com/survey-sho...ge-40-percent-
laptops-15-percent-mobile-216324
Survey shows US ad-blocking usage is 40 percent on laptops, 15
percent on mobile.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/351862/adblocking-usage/
The graph shows data on adblocking penetration rate in selected
countries worldwide as of February 2018. During the survey, 33
percent of respondents from Germany stated they currently used
software that allowed them to block ads on the internet.

except that if the ad system did collapse, you'd have to pay for
content, which the second link requires, and you'd complain about that
instead.
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Old March 19th 19, 03:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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In article , Commander Kinsey
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Oh, Youtube changed to HTML5 4 years ago :-)
Surprising as I didn't think all browsers took up HTML5 for quite a while.

So how come a big company like Adobe made such a piece of crap, and didn't
fix it?


They didn't make it, they bought it. I guess in the end it was too hard to
maintain and required a specific install for every os. Just like java which
is all also dying. HTML 5 is os agnostic by default. IOS not supporting it
was the killer blow.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_Flash


Who uses IOS? I doubt the percentage is very high. Isn't that just small Apple devices?


more than a billion people do, not that it matters, since android
doesn't support flash either.
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Old March 19th 19, 03:11 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 14:17:22 -0000, Mayayana wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| All code should run on the server. Browsers should never ever run code
without at least asking the user first....
|
| I don't see the point in a browser allowing targeted ads. A good selling
point would be blocking all that ****....

What you're not recognizing is that you're making
all this possible. They run vast amounts of code
client-side and spy on you for three basic reasons:

1) There's big money in spying and ads.


Not from me, I see no ads due to adblockers.

2) You want to buy stuff and get services online with
as little friction as possible.


I only ever buy from Ebay, adverts for other places would be ignored if I ever saw them.

3) You don't care about being spied on. You might
say you do, but you make no effort to block it. So
actually, you don't.


I do care (sort of - I mean the government spying is bad, but someone spying to give me an ad I won't see anyway, who cares?), but I can't be bothered trying to stop what I can't see happening.

If even 1/3 of people did something as simple as
using a minimal HOSTS file, the whole targetted ad
system would collapse. If people routinely blocked
3rd-party files and unnecessary script that would
make it nearly impossible for the system to work
at all. But people can't be bothered.


There's peerblock. A simple program to use. Trouble is it blocks a LOT of stuff, including for example the BBC. I only run it when downloading torrents.

You probably have a dozen or so
companies watching you online, aware of nearly every
website you visit. In many cases they may be aware of
what you do. Script allows them to watch your mouse
movements and scrolling. Then they sell that data to
other companies. (Facebook is currently being investigated
in the US for selling private account info and "friend" lists
to "any Tom, Dick or Harry" who would pay for it.) It's
people like you who make all that possible. Because you
cooperate.


I do not cooperate. If they're spying on me without my consent, they're the bad guys. Don't we have laws against spying?

Google made billions when they started out, by showing
simple, honest, text-based, contextual ads with search.
It was brilliant, as you say in the UK. Clean pages. Fast,
efficient search. And Google was able to profit. But then
they got greedy. And no one stopped them.

So now, here you are, being constantly spied on while
you shop carefree online, with your double AV condom,
swatting down iSTDs and alarm beeps. Then you say
the sleaze should be stopped.

It's as though you're watching thieves rifle through
your desk and your only response is, "Harrumph! Companies
that make desks shouldn't allow this!" But actually it's
worse than that. You let the thieves in because they
were offering a cheap deal on carpet cleaning. You
could refuse to do business with them. But you don't.
That would be a hassle. And you wouldn't get any free
coupons. So you just proclaim that, "Someone should
do something about this state of affairs".


No, it's more like you asking me to stand in my garden with a rifle to shoot down burglars because the police can't be bothered stopping them.
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Old March 19th 19, 03:13 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 11:17:03 -0000, Carlos E.R. wrote:

On 18/03/2019 23.49, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 22:39:59 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/03/2019 14.31, Paul wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:26:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

Possibly one of those adds you get triggered the blast (maybe from
your
antivirus?). I have heard that blast on a friend's laptop once, and
scared me ****less. I must say that you guys on Windows get more fun
that us poor lads on Linux :-P

I've never had a bleep like that before. It sounds like the BBC2 test
signal.

History of computing comes to mind...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_speaker

If the sound system is down (driver is not working),
OSes are allowed to use "PCBeep". PCBeep is considered
to be the "backup notification system". If the sound
card goes missing, software is allowed to abuse that.

On my desktop machine, the beeper is tiny and hardly heard. I could not
find a bigger unit.


Most desktops don't even have one. This one is unusual.


Mine originally had nothing. No beeper, nor the wire connected to the
audio card (IIRC the card doesn't have the connector, either). When I
bought it online I forgot to add the internal speaker/beeper component,
I did not see it. So years later I bought a bag of 10 or 20 from Amazon
for a puny price...

On laptops, the pc beeper is usually routed via the sound card, and it
can go at top volume by default :-/


I didn't know there was still a beeper function unless you were using DOS!


Even in Linux. It is a standard.


But it's outdated, everyone has real speakers.

I have the vague recollection that some keyboards had one inside :-?


Never known one in a keyboard.

The BIOS beeper/speaker has also been tied in the
past, to games. The motherboard speaker can be
used as a 1-bit DAC, and game soundtracks can be
played through it. (A certain era of Macintosh gaming
did this too, and there were probably 200 games
that did the 1-bit DAC thing... The fidelity is
surprisingly good. 1-bit DACs have also been
used in expensive stereo equipment, in case
you thought that nobody would dare try that :-)
To make that work, just crank up the clock rate,
and the 1 bit DAC does a damn good job. The DAC
needs to be followed by a reconstruction filter,
which is what makes it work.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Abad%C3%ADa_del_Crimen

«The music played in the game corresponds to the Minuet in G major and
the sonata for flute BWV 1033 from Bach, and Crystal Palace from
Gwendal. The original PC version also featured the "Ave Maria" from
Schubert, in a short chorus recording that played through the speaker
when the player went to the church.

There is a form of copy protection on the PC version: if an illegal copy
of the game was created, in the church area, instead of "Ave Maria", a
voice crying "Pirate! Pirate! Pirate!" several times will be heard
instead, and after that the game will crash.»


Copyright sux.


Oh, yes, but in this case it was funny.

There was at the time a "copyright" program that would copy most
original 5¼ floppies. This game worked just fine, IIRC.


My first recollection of being naughty was using a stereo with two tape decks to duplicate ZX Spectrum games at double speed. All that trouble they went to with unusual baud rates to stop programs copying the tapes, I just used a simple stereo.
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Old March 19th 19, 04:19 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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On 2019-03-18 09:19, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 13.55, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 11:22, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 04.51, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

The correct thing nowdays would be to have flash disabled, or have
setting to "always ask". And if asked, say "no" unless you really want
to see that box and trust the site.

the correct thing to do is not have flash installed at all.

Unless your bank uses it :-P


This is an aside query, Carlos!

If I look here https://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/pcbutts1.com

I appear to read Page 1 of 2 pages of comments. If I move on to page 2
there are no comment. I cannot, though, get back to page 1.

Have you any thoughts as to why that might be so?


Let me see. As I load that page, I get a popup to:

Protect yourself from bad websites
Award winning security extension for your browser

Add to Firefox - It's Free

(100% Free. No in-app payments or subscriptions)
7,033 reviews in Google Chrome
7,033 users have installed WOT and are browsing safetly




Of course, getting such a popup makes me suspicious. Maybe just
aggresive marketing, though.

The second page of comments has nothing, and there is no link to go
back. That's bad programming of the page. I had to click six times on
the "back" button of Firefox to actually go back to the first page.
Well, no, the comments have disappeared.

I think it is lousy programming. Maybe they fiddled altering the browser
history, I read recently about some browser adding protection against this.

I have to click shift-reload to see again the comments. The comments say
it is a bad site and tool...


I recommend staying as far away from David Brooks as you possibly can.
He's delusional, and actively dangerous.
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Old March 19th 19, 04:49 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 19/03/2019 16:27, Mike Easter wrote:
David in Devon wrote:
nospam wrote:
David in Devon wrote:


Malwarebytes is *NOT* an anti-virus utility

yes it is.


It DOES say it is here ...

AV-TEST Product Review and Certification Report – Nov-Dec/2018


MB is not a 'traditional' AV agent and historically has not participated
in AV test comparisons.


Agreed.

A useful perspective can be gained by this commentary from MB when they
decided to 'engage' with AV test comparisons.

https://blog.malwarebytes.com/malwar...te-av-testing/
*Posted: November 27, 2018 by Malwarebytes Labs - Why Malwarebytes
decided to participate in AV testing


Thank you. I have reviewed that item previously but it may be of
interest to many other folk.

The business about how to classify various breeds of malware and how to
detect the threats is not really as simple as saying 'virus or not
virus'.* Generally MB is considered complimentary to some more
traditional AV agent.


I agree with that statement too. :-)

--
David B.
Devon, UK
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Old March 20th 19, 07:47 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10,alt.computer.workshop
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Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:36:47 -0000, Chris wrote:

Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 13.40, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 03:26:19 -0000, Carlos E.R.
wrote:

On 18/03/2019 00.15, Commander Kinsey wrote:
WARNING! Do not click the misspelt link below (between asterisks)
unless you know your computer is protected.

On Stirling Council's parking page
https://my.stirling.gov.uk/media/442...park-guide.pdf
There is a link to the thistle centre car park, which they have misspelt
as **** http://www.thethsitles.com/ **** instead of
http://www.thethistles.com/

Question 1) Is this a virus? It just bleeps very loudly through the
speakers and asks me to click to update something.
Question 2) Can this be reported to someone? The company they rent the
domain name from perhaps?

(I've already advised Stirling Council to correct their spelling error)

The first page is a PDF, not a web page

Technically yes, but the PDF is displayed in my browser and has links to
click just like a webpage.

Depends on the local configuration - in my machine it doesn't :-)

and looking at the properties
it was generated on 2014. It is possible that the link is outdated and
now points to somewhere else than intended, because of a typing error or
no maintenance of the site.

It must be a typing error, it would never have been spelt thsitle.

Anyway hopefully they will update it now I've warned them. I'm
surprised nobody else came across it before, parking in Stirling is so
bad you have to research first! Even if you pay, hardly anywhere allows
more than a 2 hour stay.

Wow. I have never seen something like that here


To be fair there's not a lot to do in Stirling so 2 hours is plenty

There is the rather magnificent Stirling Castle, nearby, and there's plenty
of parking. Some of it free IIRC
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirling_Castle


I'm doing jury duty (which could be for the whole day), and has no car
park. Everything should have a car park and not expect you to find somewhere else!


Ah, yeah. That's a pain in the arse. Does the court have any suggestions?

Good luck with the jury duty.


 




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