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  #1  
Old March 18th 19, 07:57 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but when
I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this pop-up
asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png

A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?

--
David B.
Devon, UK
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  #2  
Old March 18th 19, 08:54 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but when
I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this pop-up
asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is a
free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need to
supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to require
me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not. You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings I think.

Also there is a thunderbird news group you should use.
news.mozilla.org is the server, and this one is also open with no login
required. mozilla.support.thunderbird is the group.

Al

  #3  
Old March 18th 19, 09:46 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted on
the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred to a
similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get this
pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password -
it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it is
a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.


Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png

Also there is a thunderbird news group you should use.
news.mozilla.org is the server,¬* and this one is also open with no login
required.¬*¬* mozilla.support.thunderbird is the group.


Thanks for reminding me. I did use the Mozilla server many moons ago and
had forgotten all about it! I'm *not* getting the pop-up there. sigh
I did, though, also find my old posts - from two years ago! I didn't
solve the conundrum then, either!

--
David B.
Devon, UK
  #4  
Old March 18th 19, 10:57 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.


Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


--
Cheers, Carlos.
  #5  
Old March 18th 19, 11:09 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Posts: 58
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.


Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

--
David B.
Devon, UK
  #6  
Old March 18th 19, 11:35 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Easter
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Posts: 784
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

Carlos E.R. wrote:
David in Devon wrote:
David in Devon wrote:


I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png


That .png is Tb 'saying' that the server wants a user/pass. However, Tb
is known to say that under other 'unexpected' circumstances. That is,
historically, Tb interprets server-client problems (in general) with an
indication that there is a user/pass problem.

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing.


The cited .png just above your reply is different than the first. That
one is showing that he has left the authentication box unchecked.

That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.


No; the earlier .png was that. The next one was his settings including
the unchecked box for authenticating.



--
Mike Easter
  #7  
Old March 19th 19, 07:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 8,758
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png



A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not. You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication. But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?


Oh, my.

Have you considered a community college hackers course ?

They must really have your number, if it's this hard
to break in. Maybe they have geolocation software and
can see "Devon is calling".

Grab a dictionary, and work your way through the words.

aardvark:aarfvark

aardvark:12345678

aardvark:87654321

...

zebra:zebra

zebra:12345678

zebra:87654321

...

aardvark:11335577

And so on. Eventually you'll discover a working
usernameassword pair.

You've been trying to break into this server for at least
the last two years. You could have made it through the
dictionary at least once, if you had head down and
made a real effort to enter those usernames and passwords.

Now get cracking.

If you're not going to be smart about breaking in,
you might as well keep busy. It shouldn't take
more than around 4 billion years to find a working
username and password.

I can imagine the moment now.

Username: aardvark
Password: zebra

"Welcome back, aardvark"

From: DavidsBrotherMelvin
Subject: Why did you ban David

...

Sincerely,
DavidsBrotherMelvin

Paul
  #8  
Old March 19th 19, 11:32 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Posts: 317
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png



A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.¬* But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?


By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal entry?

You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.


--
Cheers, Carlos.
  #9  
Old March 19th 19, 11:56 AM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 19/03/2019 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png



A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png


No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.¬* But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.


*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?


By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal entry?


I believe it important to read posts from ALL participants in any thread
in order to garner the necessary background. Mike Easter has made some
valid points which you may care to review and, of course, my responses
to him.

You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.


I did try. That does not work.

Perhaps you have sufficient knowledge to comment further. If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I
believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree?

I'm not sure how it can be illegal to review messages and post in a
newsgroup. It's no the same thing as cracking a computer!

--
David B.
Devon, UK
  #10  
Old March 19th 19, 01:28 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Posts: 8,758
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

David in Devon wrote:


I'm not sure how it can be illegal to review messages and post in a
newsgroup. It's no the same thing as cracking a computer!


Well, I'm torn by two things here.

It's my nature to help people with stuff.

*But*, the other rule is: "we don't weaponize bad guys".

And that's why I can't help you with this.

*******

You know, there are times when it seems, as part of
your projects, that you require other people to provide
you with a "step by step" on how to do stuff. sorta like,
when you're brought up on charges in court somewhere,
you'll say "but this guy on USENET *implored* me
to break in". And then you'd offer the message number
as "proof" you were entrapped ?

Is that your plan ?

I didn't have a problem with that server.
But I'm also not providing details.

That server is a "gentlemans club", because it
has no public web pages indicating terms of service,
no abuse web page, or who to contact to apply
for an account. It's also not connected to USENET
in the normal sense (no peering). It's being run
as a kind of BBS.

I shudder to think what would happen if you
were a "computer guy".

Paul
  #11  
Old March 19th 19, 02:19 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Shadow
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 12:32:09 +0100, "Carlos E.R."
wrote:

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?


By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal entry?




Yes, please help him.

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

The only PRIVATE site he has NOT been BANNED from for posting
copyrighted and personal material is Facebook. Which is why he loves
it so much.
[]'s

--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Nineteen Eighty-Four was a work of FICTION !!!! - Orwell

  #12  
Old March 19th 19, 06:31 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Shadow
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On Tue, 19 Mar 2019 16:44:01 +0000, David in Devon
wrote:

For whatever reason, he will not recognise that I'm one
of life's 'good guys' whose sole motivation in retirement is to try to
track down those people who seek to harm others.


15 years "tracking down" *bad guys*, not a single one caught.

Maybe they're not the *bad guys* after all ? NONE of them seem
to get BANNED for illegal activity so need dozens of fake nyms, or
post p0rN and copyrighted material on public websites.

Some people post a little personal info as a public service,
but that makes them *good guys*

https://web.archive.org/web/20190318192230/https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

The author could have written a book on your criminal
activity, but he kept it to a single page.
You should thank him for that.
[]'s

Groups restored. You said it was on topic. Or have you
forgotten ?
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Nineteen Eighty-Four was a work of FICTION !!!! - Orwell

  #13  
Old March 19th 19, 07:05 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Carlos E.R.[_3_]
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Posts: 317
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 19/03/2019 12.56, David in Devon wrote:
On 19/03/2019 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png




A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a
need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png



No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.¬* But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?


By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal
entry?


I believe it important to read posts from ALL participants in any thread
in order to garner the necessary background. Mike Easter has made some
valid points which you may care to review and, of course, my responses
to him.


I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.



You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.


I did try. That does not work.

Perhaps you have sufficient knowledge to comment further. If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php


So what?

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I
believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree?


No.

He could, maybe, but why would he? If he is such a bad guy running a
server, I would stay away and not try to connect any way at all.

But anyone on internet can try to get information about any other
machine on Internet. So what?


I'm not sure how it can be illegal to review messages and post in a
newsgroup. It's no the same thing as cracking a computer!


Well, if it has a login and password in front, I consider it illegal to
try to enter unless he gives me a login/pass pair. I'm not going to even
try or speculate.

If it really is a public news server, then contact the owner and ask him
what do you need to obtain credentials. Maybe it is not free and you
have to pay for the service, maybe it is not public, only for his friends.

--
Cheers, Carlos.
  #14  
Old March 19th 19, 07:29 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mike Easter
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Posts: 784
Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

Carlos E.R. wrote:
I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.


The split thread business in this thread resembles the struggle between
top-posters and untrimmed bottom-posters.

As an anti-x-poster, in my efforts to minimize the off-topicality of
what I consider excessive or inappropriate x-posting, I typically delete
those cross-posted groups which I don't subscribe or to which a message
thread is OT for a x-posted group.

Consequently, most of my messages in this thread were posted only to
alt.computer.workshop; except a message which I felt a thread
participant was 'coming from' the windows -10 group, ie you, for which
I allowed the x-post configuration which included win-10 to stand.

I feel that BD and some others x-post too much. Those of us who delete
x-posts we don't agree, as described above, contribute to the problems
of thread splitting. The basic /cause/ of thread splitting is
'fundamentally' caused by the x-posters and 'executed' by
anti-x-posters like me.

--
Mike Easter
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Old March 19th 19, 08:01 PM posted to alt.computer.workshop,alt.comp.os.windows-10
David in Devon
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Default OT - Looking for a simple explanation - Thunderbird

On 19/03/2019 19:05, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 12.56, David in Devon wrote:
On 19/03/2019 11:32, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 19/03/2019 00.09, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22:57, Carlos E.R. wrote:
On 18/03/2019 22.46, David in Devon wrote:
On 18/03/2019 20:54, Big Al wrote:
On 3/18/19 3:57 PM, David in Devon wrote:
Following the detraction of the newsgroups which were hosted hosted
on the Annex.com server for many years, some groups were transferred
to a similar arrangement on the MyPlugBox.com server.

I've set up news.myplugbox.com as a news server on Thunderbird, but
when I try to connect to the server to download the groups, I get
this pop-up asking for my Username and Password.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n70zlorf2w...2019.36.08.png




A similar pop-up occurs, when I use news.eternal-september.orq but,
after I append my Username and Password once, I do not have to do so
again.

As far as I am aware, *anyone* is entitled to use the MyPlugBox
newsgroups *WITHOUT* the need to even _have_ a Username and Password
- it's purported to be a 'protected' environment but, in reality, it
is a free-for-all.

Can anyone reading here use the MyPlugBox newsgroups *without* a
need
to supply a username and password?

If so, how may the server owner have manipulated Thunderbird to
require me to have to supply them?

When you setup the newsgroup there is a checkbox to determine if you
need to login or not.¬* You have to set that up for no login required.
Server settings-Security Settings¬*¬* I think.

Thanks Al :-)

You can see that I've left the appropriate tick-box unchecked:-

https://www.dropbox.com/s/kdq9ufkiw6...2021.19.05.png



No, not the same thing. That's you (your thunderbird) requesting
authentication.¬* But the news server can demand authentication from you
before allowing you in, which is what is happening (I guess).

And once entered, Th may remember the login/pass for ever if you tick
the box on your first photo.

*HOW* can one obtain a Username and Password?

Any clue, Carlos?

By requesting them from the site. Seriously. Or do you intend illegal
entry?


I believe it important to read posts from ALL participants in any thread
in order to garner the necessary background. Mike Easter has made some
valid points which you may care to review and, of course, my responses
to him.


I only see one post from Mike Easter in this thread, and no reply to it.


May I refer you to this thread on Google Groups?

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!to...op/6_GWCeyqRco

Mike' made a number of posts in this thread, but most are confined to
'my' group - 'alt.computer.workshop'.

You can, of course, try the empty login/pass pair.


I did try. That does not work.

Perhaps you have sufficient knowledge to comment further. If I connect
to the myplugbox server, albeit through Thunderbird as a news server, I
suspect that the server owner can determine much about my computer in a
similar way to what's shown at THIS link:-

https://web.archive.org/web/20160424...al/tektest.php


So what?


Can you see that same info. page if you look on the www.tekrider.net
website? (rather than using archive.org as I had to do).

If that is the case, armed with such information a server owner could, I
believe, carry out all kinds of nefarious activity. Do you agree?


No.

He could, maybe, but why would he? If he is such a bad guy running a
server, I would stay away and not try to connect any way at all.


I'd be delighted to discover that DaveH is NOT a 'bad guy'.

But anyone on internet can try to get information about any other
machine on Internet. So what?


A lot of people have no idea at all about that!

I'm not sure how it can be illegal to review messages and post in a
newsgroup. It's no the same thing as cracking a computer!


Well, if it has a login and password in front, I consider it illegal to
try to enter unless he gives me a login/pass pair. I'm not going to even
try or speculate.


I agree with you. I can't understand why any bonio fido organisation
would exclude investigators seeking the truth.

If it really is a public news server, then contact the owner and ask him
what do you need to obtain credentials. Maybe it is not free and you
have to pay for the service, maybe it is not public, only for his friends.


I'm more than willing to pay if that's required. I'm confident that the
newsgroup users are NOT friends on Mr Higham. I'd not be surprised to
learn, though, that many/all have been co-opted into a botnet.

I'm also confident that few newsgroup participants would ever dream of
checking their router traffic with Wireshark or suchlike,

https://www.wireshark.org/download.html

The subject of malware has always been frowned upon by the self-selected
'moderator' of the groups. It's a poster called 'Winston' - C.Winston
Natoli MVP - who is 'ruling the roost there. He made the post now shown
to be made by 'A.User' in this Microsoft forum thread.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...1-be014e8a8810

I've never known any other MVP lose their status on the Answers forums,
even when they die!

--
David B.
Devon, UK
 




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