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Trying to use pssshutdown
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA |
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Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " It looks like the others might be used in combination, like maybe -s -r. I haven't been able to find a complete set of examples anywhere that explains it. https://web.archive.org/web/20061126.../Figure_01.gif Paul |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 07:03:43 -0500, micky
wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? Most of the Enterprise-grade networking gear that I work with has a feature called Lights Out Management (LOM) or Always On Management (AOM). With that, you can shut down the box remotely in order to allow local "remote hands" to do some maintenance, and when they're done you can restart the box remotely. You can also use the LOM/AOM interface to connect to the box and issue a restart (reboot) command, and you can watch the status of the restart via your LOM/AOM connection. You don't get disconnected when the box restarts. It's an extremely handy feature in that scenario, but I don't really see a need for it at home on consumer-grade gear. |
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On Fri, 16 Feb 2018 07:03:43 -0500, micky
wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA If you need "quick and dirty" commands.. look at Wizmo from GRC.com |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:34:17 -0500, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " I need to turn it off altogether, shut down. And I gather, for that I just don't use any special switch. I would rather hibernate, but this pc doesn't known how to come out of sleep or iirc hibernation without my being here to click on something. Even though last year I went away for weeks and the printers didn't dry out, I want to try again this year It looks like the others might be used in combination, like maybe -s -r. I haven't been able to find a complete set of examples anywhere that explains it. https://web.archive.org/web/20061126.../Figure_01.gif That's pretty much the same as what the top webpage says. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:40:08 -0500, micky
wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " I need to turn it off altogether, shut down. And I gather, for that I just don't use any special switch. I hate turning off the computer, but I tested it without any switch, and it worked. Now I'm trying to get the computer to turn back on with the scheduler. The first test failed. I would rather hibernate, but this pc doesn't known how to come out of sleep or iirc hibernation without my being here to click on something. I'm thinking if I turned off smart hibernation, so that hibernation were less like sleep, it might start up without my intervention. Does that sound reasonable? Even though last year I went away for weeks and the printers didn't dry out, I want to try again this year |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:40:08 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " I need to turn it off altogether, shut down. And I gather, for that I just don't use any special switch. I hate turning off the computer, but I tested it without any switch, and it worked. Now I'm trying to get the computer to turn back on with the scheduler. The first test failed. I would rather hibernate, but this pc doesn't known how to come out of sleep or iirc hibernation without my being here to click on something. I'm thinking if I turned off smart hibernation, so that hibernation were less like sleep, it might start up without my intervention. Does that sound reasonable? Even though last year I went away for weeks and the printers didn't dry out, I want to try again this year https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ ******* This article in Answers, says to check the Wake Timers setting. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d61ad1e?auth=1 There is a picture of the Power Options, but they didn't highlight what to change or anything. You can see "Allow Wake Timers" is set to disabled, and that's probably not a good thing in your case. https://filestore.community.support....b-2bc05c9e013d Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:45:06 -0500, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:40:08 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " I need to turn it off altogether, shut down. And I gather, for that I just don't use any special switch. I hate turning off the computer, but I tested it without any switch, and it worked. Now I'm trying to get the computer to turn back on with the scheduler. The first test failed. I would rather hibernate, but this pc doesn't known how to come out of sleep or iirc hibernation without my being here to click on something. I'm thinking if I turned off smart hibernation, so that hibernation were less like sleep, it might start up without my intervention. Does that sound reasonable? Even though last year I went away for weeks and the printers didn't dry out, I want to try again this year https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? ******* This article in Answers, says to check the Wake Timers setting. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...d61ad1e?auth=1 Most of this section is just background, to show what steps I've taken, but the last paragraph does have a question. This one is mostly about laptops, afaict. It might apply to me, but I'm not that far yet. (I retreated in my testing and now I'm just trying to get the scheduler to start a bat file when the computer is ON, and you know, I just realize it didn't. :-( Hmmm. Looking at the Last Run Time it's 2:55 and that's right, but now it's 3:30 and Last Run Result says it's currently running. I don't think it will ever finish because I didn't run cmd.exe, only C:\bat\printfile.bat. Or at least I think that's the problem. So I would stop the task but I can't find it in Task Manager. I htought maybe it was the Microsoft Management Console, but when I stopped that, it stopped the Scheduler!! I dind't intend that but it did change the Last Run Result of the task to The Operator or Admistrator has refused the request 0x800710E0. Good. It also updated the last run time to 3:20, which I had scheduled but hadn't shown up in the task entry in the Scheduler window as long as t he 2:55 task couldn't complete. (Oh, that's because of the Setting: If the task is already running, do not start a new instance. There are other options for that, but once the whole thing works, it won't matter.) History is disabled So I tried it again with the improved Action and this time nothing seemed to happen. Even the last run time didn't update, and that worked before. It's easy enough to run it again 3 minutes from now. This time I enabled the History (for all tasks) which comes disabled**. and the history says the task is still running. I guess closing the Console (Schedular) didn't close it. If I can't find the task in the task manager or Resource Monitor, and I can't, do you have any ideas how to stop it, short of rebooting windows? There is a setting that it will stop after n hours and I set it for 2, but I think it was set by default for 8 when I first ran this. There is a picture of the Power Options, but they didn't highlight what to change or anything. You can see "Allow Wake Timers" is set to disabled, and that's probably not a good thing in your case. https://filestore.community.support....b-2bc05c9e013d YOU WERE RIGHT ON THE MONEY about this one. It was disabled. I saw that setting years ago but had forgotten it. This also accounts for why I haven't been able to record the Big Broadcast on WAMU web radio every 7PM ET on Sundays. The times I missed that, only when the computer was off, didn't bother me too much because there is so much radio I can't listen to it all anyhow. I suppose there was some entry in maybe the Event Viewer that would have said why that didn't run, but I didnt' think to look. (Maybe not since Scheduler History wasn't set on yet.) RadioMaximus (its paid version allows scheduled recording. Its free version doesn't, only difference), Radiomaximus gives a choice of actions for it to do after recording. Right now it's set to just stop recording, but after this Sunday, I'll change it for when I'm away to Shut Down. Paul Thanks Paul. You really find good articles. And after I get this simple task working with the scheduler, I'll probably think of other more important things to do, like sending hate email when I can prove I was out of town! No, that's no good. I've been watching too much Hitchcock. **I also got a lttle image in the bottom right for the first time, but it's just an ad, I think. I don't know how they knew to bring it up then. Fix: The operator or administrator has refused the request (Error 0x800710E0) If the issue is with your Computer or a Laptop you should try using the Reimage Plus Software which can scan the repositories and replace corrupt and missing files. This works in most cases, where the issue is originated due to a system corruption. You can download Reimage Plus by clicking the Download button below. |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:20:40 -0500, micky
wrote: https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? I"m narrowing in on one of the 2 main problems using the Task Scheduler in windows10. The url above shows for the program cmd.exe and optional arguments. He uses /c "exit" . In the Scheduler I has as the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat and what happened is the cmd window opened but it didn't do anything and it didn't thave anyhting to the right of c:\windowss\system32 Then I added /K and that didn't change things. So I looked up how to pass an argument to cmd and it seems to say that this is the right way to do it. For example https://ss64.com/nt/cmd.html How can I fix this? |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:45:06 -0500, Paul wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 19:40:08 -0500, micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:34:17 -0500, Paul wrote: micky wrote: Trying to use pssshutdown https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sys...ads/psshutdown What do these options mean? -s Shutdown without power off. What does it mean to shutdown but not turn the power off. I don't think I've ever seen that. What is the point? The HDD spins? -k Poweroff the computer (reboot if poweroff is not supported). Why would rebooting be the alternative to poweroff. Shouldn't the first option, -s, be the alternative because rebooting certainly doesn't turn the power off, and it doesn't resemble shutdown either. -d Suspend the computer. Is this Sleep? TIA Yes, -d is sleep. https://winaero.com/blog/how-to-slee...-command-line/ "Using this tool, you will be able to make the PC enter sleep mode directly by giving a single command: psshutdown.exe -d -t 0 -accepteula " I need to turn it off altogether, shut down. And I gather, for that I just don't use any special switch. I hate turning off the computer, but I tested it without any switch, and it worked. Now I'm trying to get the computer to turn back on with the scheduler. The first test failed. I would rather hibernate, but this pc doesn't known how to come out of sleep or iirc hibernation without my being here to click on something. I'm thinking if I turned off smart hibernation, so that hibernation were less like sleep, it might start up without my intervention. Does that sound reasonable? Even though last year I went away for weeks and the printers didn't dry out, I want to try again this year https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? I'm not the "big Scheduler guy", so I can't guarantee you I could come up with a working solution. It makes sense that a .bat cannot run without a shell to interpret it. A clever piece of software would automatically recognize the .bat extension and fork a shell for it. However, starting a shell (cmd.exe) and making no assumptions about how clever the Task Scheduler is, would be a safer set of conditions I would think. Getting the Scheduler to work, is one of those things you just have to work your way though. Enabling History, was a good move. I had to do that the first time I tried Task Scheduler. But my memory is not good enough to give you an entire dialog box rundown on what to do. A lot of people get tripped up on account issues, what to use to launch it or whatever. Whether it should be set to "Highest Privileges" or whatever. A lot of failures are due to the account setting. Task Scheduler normally runs stuff as "SYSTEM", which is a higher level of elevation than your normal account. But I don't know the other details, like what account is associated with the entry in Task Scheduler or the like. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:20:40 -0500, micky wrote: https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? I"m narrowing in on one of the 2 main problems using the Task Scheduler in windows10. The url above shows for the program cmd.exe and optional arguments. He uses /c "exit" . In the Scheduler I has as the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat and what happened is the cmd window opened but it didn't do anything and it didn't thave anyhting to the right of c:\windowss\system32 Then I added /K and that didn't change things. So I looked up how to pass an argument to cmd and it seems to say that this is the right way to do it. For example https://ss64.com/nt/cmd.html How can I fix this? Their example here didn't even use cmd.exe. http://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to...ally-windows-7 Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:12:26 -0500, Paul
wrote: micky wrote: In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:20:40 -0500, micky wrote: https://www.howtogeek.com/119028/how...automatically/ I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? I"m narrowing in on one of the 2 main problems using the Task Scheduler in windows10. The url above shows for the program cmd.exe and optional arguments. He uses /c "exit" . In the Scheduler I has as the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat and what happened is the cmd window opened but it didn't do anything and it didn't thave anyhting to the right of c:\windowss\system32 Then I added /K and that didn't change things. (Good) Progress report: Looking more at the URL just below, I foudn a line I hadn't read and might be out of place on the page: "If /C or /K is specified, then the remainder of the command line is processed as an immediate command in the new shell. Multiple commands separated by the command separator '&' or '&&' are accepted if surrounded by quotes." So I move /K from after C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat to in front of it and it worked. I had confused Options, that do go before /K. with Command. I should be a more careful reader. So the cmd command works and I had already gotten the schedulur to start that, and all that remains is to get it to start when the computer is off. Because of my other errors, prior efforts would not have displayed anything even if it attempted to start, so there is no special reason to think that isn't already working. So I looked up how to pass an argument to cmd and it seems to say that this is the right way to do it. For example https://ss64.com/nt/cmd.html How can I fix this? Their example here didn't even use cmd.exe. http://www.thewindowsclub.com/how-to...ally-windows-7 You're right, of course, no cmd. So I wasn't so stupid in thinking it would work the way I first had it. That's the important thing, to feel smart, or at least not stupid. Wow, the fully qualified file name of the command is so long you can't see the actual command in the window. This is one reason I try to keep my data not in programdata\microsoft\windows\start menu\programs\accesso.... whatever. It's too hard to type also. Of course some programs don't let you chooose where your data goes. Paul |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:48:13 -0500, Paul
wrote: I'm not the "big Scheduler guy", so I can't guarantee you I could Someone told me you were. So I looked big scheduler guy up in the phone book, but I couldn't find my phone book. come up with a working solution. It makes sense that a .bat cannot run without a shell to interpret it. A clever piece of software would automatically recognize the .bat extension and fork a shell for it. However, starting a shell (cmd.exe) and making no assumptions about how clever the Task Scheduler is, would be a safer set of conditions I would think. Yes, I see that. Getting the Scheduler to work, is one of those things you just have to work your way though. Enabling History, was a good move. I had to do that the first time I tried Task Scheduler. But my memory is not good enough to give you an entire dialog box YOu are excused. rundown on what to do. A lot of people get tripped up on account issues, what to use to launch it or whatever. Whether it should be set to "Highest Privileges" or whatever. A lot I wondered about that too. Looked it up, still didn't know. That other example you gave shows them using it. I guess it can't hurt, especially since this program should be the only thing running or the only thing that will finish. of failures are due to the account setting. |
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Hallo micky,
I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? Right, if C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat exists. In the Scheduler I has as the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat and what happened is the cmd window opened but it didn't do anything and it didn't thave anyhting to the right of c:\windowss\system32 What do you expect to happen? What does PrintFile.bat do? Does it expect another parameter (e. g. a filename) to print? In doubt, post the contents of Printfile.bat here. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Klaus Meinhard |
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Sun, 18 Feb 2018 10:50:34 +0100, Klaus
Meinhard wrote: Hallo micky, I had as my Action c:\bat\PrintFile but this page seems to make clear that I should have cmd.exe with the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat Right? Right, if C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat exists. Right. But it does. In the Scheduler I has as the argument C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat and what happened is the cmd window opened but it didn't do anything and it didn't thave anyhting to the right of c:\windowss\system32 What do you expect to happen? I thought it would run printfile. What does PrintFile.bat do? It prints a square with a full color spectrum, to test a printer and keep its jets from clogging. It's scheduled to run 3 weeks and 6 weeks after I leave home. Although last year I was gone for 11 weeks and neither the Epson nor the Brother inkjet all-in-one printers got clogged. Even though I've had clogs before in only a month or two. Is cheap ink better than good ink for not clogging? (I have two similar printers because after I bought one, I found an even better one in new condition (though needing two ink cartridges) between the sidewalk and the street near my home. I went up to the door of the house it was in front of (and the lots are wide enough that it wasn't in front of any other home) and the guy who answered the door said it worked, and he clearly didn't want it. My only guess is that a roommate left it behind and he was throwing it away, but put it on the curb so someone could get it. The printing isn't better but it has features the Epson hasn't. I haven't done it, but it can print straight from my cell phone. Using wifi I guess. Most people don't seem willing to take stuff off the street, but I've gotten a lot of nice stuff. This one is the nicest however. (Once in NYC there was a dumpster with 4 or 5 feet of books in it. 25' long by dumpster wide x 6 foot high dumpster, filled to near the top. They must have been cleaning out a warehouse. All hardbacks, all in good condition. All pretty old. I got about 20 books I wanted the first day, and went back 3 more days. About 6 of us in the dumpster, but I'm sure they left too and were replaced by other people. Plus one or two people stood on the sidewalk and pointed to a book or two they wanted and someone got it for them. . As people took books I think they kept adding more, but the level was going down slowly. 2nd Avenue and 25th St. iirc, but this was 30 years ago and it's probably not still there.) Does it expect another parameter (e. g. a filename) to print? No, hard coded. In doubt, post the contents of Printfile.bat here. You probably saw the solution already in the other post: I found a line I hadn't read before "If /C or /K is specified, then the remainder of the command line is processed as an immediate command in the new shell. Multiple commands separated by the command separator '&' or '&&' are accepted if surrounded by quotes." So I moved /K from after C:\Bat\PrintFile.bat to in front of it and it worked. So the cmd command works and I had already gotten the scheduler to start that, and all that remains is to get it to start when the computer is off. My prior testing had other flaws so other than the memory of many past failures, there's no reason to think that part doesn't already work. I don't like closing Windows, so it will be a while before I test the wake-up part. |
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