Notification on Taskbar When Win7 Updates are Available?

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

On 11/12/2015 3:26 PM, wrote:
I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec


For me, the icon for Windows Updates appears, disappears, and appears
again. I do not know why.

When it first appears, I review the updates, rejecting (hiding) some.
Then I set a calendar reminder to install them a week later, after I see
what experiences other users report here.

--
David E. Ross

Is Kim Davis a hero or a villain? See my
http://www.rossde.com/KimDavis.html.

wrote:
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Start/ input update/ CP Update/ Change settings menu choices range
from installing updates automatically to never check for updates.

--
Mike Easter

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:52:08 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

wrote:
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Start/ input update/ CP Update/ Change settings menu choices range
from installing updates automatically to never check for updates.

Not sure how to do what you suggest here? Just where do you type this and the
exact "typing"??

wrote:

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:52:08 -0800, Mike Easter wrote:

wrote:
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Start/ input update/ CP Update/ Change settings menu choices range
from installing updates automatically to never check for updates.

Not sure how to do what you suggest here? Just where do you type this and the
exact "typing"??

I think it was Start menu navigation telling you to set Windows Update
to "never check". Since you're not getting notified anyway, just turn
it off and do as Ross suggests by checking when *YOU* have prepped for
the updates (saved a backup image of the OS partition and have time to
*review* each update before downloading and installing each one).
Microsoft can no longer be trusted with updating the OS to *your*
advantage.

wrote:
I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec


Fyi...around the June timeframe an under-the-hood Win8 type code
inclusion in Windows Updates impacted the appearance of the WU Taskbar
notification on certain Win7 devices(some, not all devices.) Subsequent
updates (Automatically installed full Windows Update Client Engine
update and the partial Windows Update client deployed via Windows Update
via a KB) were intended to alleviate the issue.)

If still not seeing the notification on the TaskBar ensure the Task
Bar's notification settings are set to show all icons and just as
importantly ensure Windows is fully updated with *all* available updates.
- Note: The icon can appear and disappear (i.e. it may not always be
present - which afaik is the current Win7 design intent)

Iirc, there are 3rd party tools that can provide the same service or
force the icon to be on when appropriate but haven't tried or needed
them thus am hesitant to recommend...but since some systems regardless
of local settings or being fully updated still lack the icon notify-er.

There's also a theory that not installing the alleged telemetry updates
in Win7 is the cause of the missing Task Bar notification icon in Win7.
No confirmation or one expected from MSFT but certainly a feasible
theory!!!

--
....winston
msft mvp consumer apps

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:26:23 -0800, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

Microsoft has updated Windows Updater for older versions of Windows,
partly in response to its release of Windows 10. One of the effects is
that the "Updates Available" badge no longer appears for users who do
choose not to automatically install all updates. This is doubtlessly
because Windows 10 no longer allows that option and they want to
normalize the feature (or lack thereof) across all versions of
Windows. It also knocks the chair out from under "complainers" who are
upset that Windows10 no longer provides that sort of control over the
user's own computer, since - in order to ensure timely updates - you
have to choose to "automatically install" on Windows 7/8 now too.

Anyway, sleazy tactics of Microsoft aside, in order to restore this
functionality, you need to uninstall the updates that removed them.
Note these updates may also fix other things as well (Microsoft is
becoming increasingly closed-mouthed on what its updates do), so you
have to decide if having the updates available badge is worth the risk

Anyway, uninstall these patches - especially the first - and you
should be good. Note there will probably be a new patch this November
(if they haven't released it yet already).

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

Anyway, uninstall these patches - especially the first - and you
should be good. Note there will probably be a new patch this November
(if they haven't released it yet already).

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015


Probably useless. All the above are minor and partial updates to the
Windows Update client engine. When the next major WU Cient Engine is
deployed (not by KB but by automatic install without user intervention
per the EULA and like the past 12 yrs) all the above removals will no
longer be relevant.


--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:42:47 -0700, ...winston?
wrote:

Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

Anyway, uninstall these patches - especially the first - and you
should be good. Note there will probably be a new patch this November
(if they haven't released it yet already).

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Probably useless. All the above are minor and partial updates to the
Windows Update client engine. When the next major WU Cient Engine is
deployed (not by KB but by automatic install without user intervention
per the EULA and like the past 12 yrs) all the above removals will no
longer be relevant.

While in the long run its utility may be in doubt - Microsoft very
much wants to be in control of the OS, standardizing everyone as much
as they can on one and only one version so as to ease support once
they finally jump to software-as-a-service - at the current time it is
not useless. Remove those updates (and "hide" them to make sure they
don't get reinstalled) and the update badge comes back.

And while MS maintains the "right" to update the client invisibly,
I've never actually seen them do it. Their updates have always been
optional. The only exception is when I went to the WU site using
Internet Explorer and it would update the plugin automatically, but
even there it gave a message informing me that it was doing so.

That's not to say this won't change in the future - certainly MS has
been a lot less forthcoming about the contents of its updates and the
sheer volume of updates (not to mention hidden updates returning)
makes it difficult to police - but so far they haven't gone
/completely/ off the rails.

Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
On Sun, 15 Nov 2015 11:42:47 -0700, ...winston?
wrote:

Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

Anyway, uninstall these patches - especially the first - and you
should be good. Note there will probably be a new patch this November
(if they haven't released it yet already).

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Probably useless. All the above are minor and partial updates to the
Windows Update client engine. When the next major WU Cient Engine is
deployed (not by KB but by automatic install without user intervention
per the EULA and like the past 12 yrs) all the above removals will no
longer be relevant.

While in the long run its utility may be in doubt - Microsoft very
much wants to be in control of the OS, standardizing everyone as much
as they can on one and only one version so as to ease support once
they finally jump to software-as-a-service - at the current time it is
not useless. Remove those updates (and "hide" them to make sure they
don't get reinstalled) and the update badge comes back.

And while MS maintains the "right" to update the client invisibly,
I've never actually seen them do it. Their updates have always been
optional. The only exception is when I went to the WU site using
Internet Explorer and it would update the plugin automatically, but
even there it gave a message informing me that it was doing so.



The auto-updating of the Windows Update 'Agent' engine (not Client)
doesn't happen often, sometimes once or twice a year. For Win7 and 8,
iirc there have been 5 in the last two years combined though one of the
8's was bundled with the 8.1 Update. The most recent for both 7 and 8x
was July 2015.

The Agent Update doesn't depend on accessing the WU site via IE. As
long as WU is enabled 'on' in any mode (automatic or notify) the WU
Agent will be installed automatically. Once complete, it may or may not
prompt for a restart. Another observation and consistent with Agent
updates is that Windows Update won't perform any task until the Agent is
replaced with the required version.


--
....winston
msft mvp windows experience

On 2015-11-12 18:26, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

For me what made the icon disappear was an update to the Windows Update
client. REMOVING that update fixed the problem. I have since decided NOT
to install any further updates to the Windows Update client. Try
removing one of the following (I suspect each of these replace the
previous one, so you should have only 1):

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Best Regards,

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:13:09 -0500, B00ze wrote:

On 2015-11-12 18:26, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

For me what made the icon disappear was an update to the Windows Update
client. REMOVING that update fixed the problem. I have since decided NOT
to install any further updates to the Windows Update client. Try
removing one of the following (I suspect each of these replace the
previous one, so you should have only 1):

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Best Regards,

Thanks

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:13:09 -0500, B00ze wrote:

On 2015-11-12 18:26, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

For me what made the icon disappear was an update to the Windows Update
client. REMOVING that update fixed the problem. I have since decided NOT
to install any further updates to the Windows Update client. Try
removing one of the following (I suspect each of these replace the
previous one, so you should have only 1):

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Best Regards,

I looked at the Oct one and it was marked as Optional. The one is Sept is still
there and it was marked as Important. So, it appears the latest is not
replacing the previous one?

charliec

On 2015-11-16 23:53, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:13:09 -0500, B00ze wrote:

On 2015-11-12 18:26, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

For me what made the icon disappear was an update to the Windows Update
client. REMOVING that update fixed the problem. I have since decided NOT
to install any further updates to the Windows Update client. Try
removing one of the following (I suspect each of these replace the
previous one, so you should have only 1):

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Best Regards,

I looked at the Oct one and it was marked as Optional. The one is Sept is still
there and it was marked as Important. So, it appears the latest is not
replacing the previous one?

None of those 2 are INSTALLED. So the supposedly buggy one is August.
You have to go to control panel, in Programs and Features, click on View
Installed Updates on the left, and type KB3075851 (or KB3065987) in the
search gadget on the top right. Uninstall that one, reboot, then wait
some time, see if the icon reappears.

I have nothing against WU updates, and I will install one the day that
the update description says "Fixed a problem where the WU icon
disappears". In the meantime I just hide them.

Best Regards.

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On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:41:23 -0500, B00ze wrote:

On 2015-11-16 23:53, wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:13:09 -0500, B00ze wrote:

On 2015-11-12 18:26, wrote:

I tried addressing this earlier, but have not found the solution to my problem.
For some reason, I am not getting the notifications of updates for Win7 on the
Taskbar as I was getting before. What do I have to set to starting getting the
notifications again?

Thanks for any insights and/or educational tips
charliec

For me what made the icon disappear was an update to the Windows Update
client. REMOVING that update fixed the problem. I have since decided NOT
to install any further updates to the Windows Update client. Try
removing one of the following (I suspect each of these replace the
previous one, so you should have only 1):

KB3065987 Windows Update Client for Windows July 2015
KB3075851 Windows Update Client for Windows August 2015
KB3083324 Windows Update Client for Windows September 2015
KB3083710 Windows Update Client for Windows October 2015

Best Regards,

I looked at the Oct one and it was marked as Optional. The one is Sept is still
there and it was marked as Important. So, it appears the latest is not
replacing the previous one?

None of those 2 are INSTALLED. So the supposedly buggy one is August.
You have to go to control panel, in Programs and Features, click on View
Installed Updates on the left, and type KB3075851 (or KB3065987) in the
search gadget on the top right. Uninstall that one, reboot, then wait
some time, see if the icon reappears.

I have nothing against WU updates, and I will install one the day that
the update description says "Fixed a problem where the WU icon
disappears". In the meantime I just hide them.

Best Regards.

Let us know what happens later. Will be interesting to hear!
Thanks