With DaaS Windows Coming, Say Goodbye To Your PC As You Know It

MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

"Anonymous" wrote

| MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
|
|
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
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You should also read the article linked, from Mary Jo
Foley. She makes her living being a Microsoft cheerleader
and generally has her facts straight, albeit skewed to
make MS look good.

What she seems to be saying is that MS is heading
toward offering Windows as a rental for corporate
customers. For those people it already is a rental, to
some extent. The situation now is that they usually
rent yearly, by seat or by install. Microsoft forces
corporate customers into that bind by threatening
to pull swat-team-style audits otherwise. Then they
charge a fortune if they find any illegal copies. So it's
easier for companies to just let MS gouge them for
seat rentals.

The DaaS idea would have companies rent the whole
thing, monthly. Microsoft would be the IT dept. That
might be by force or it might be an option. That doesn't
seem to be clear.

That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
then most people won't be able to say no.

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.

On 07/31/2018 9:14 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote

| MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
|
|
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html
|

You should also read the article linked, from Mary Jo
Foley. She makes her living being a Microsoft cheerleader
and generally has her facts straight, albeit skewed to
make MS look good.

What she seems to be saying is that MS is heading
toward offering Windows as a rental for corporate
customers. For those people it already is a rental, to
some extent. The situation now is that they usually
rent yearly, by seat or by install. Microsoft forces
corporate customers into that bind by threatening
to pull swat-team-style audits otherwise. Then they
charge a fortune if they find any illegal copies. So it's
easier for companies to just let MS gouge them for
seat rentals.

The DaaS idea would have companies rent the whole
thing, monthly. Microsoft would be the IT dept. That
might be by force or it might be an option. That doesn't
seem to be clear.

That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
then most people won't be able to say no.

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.



I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.

Rene

Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 07/31/2018 9:14 PM, Mayayana wrote:
"Anonymous" wrote

MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
basis at all for that statement that I can find.

I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.

Rene

Not after the recent changes to the org chart at Microsoft.

Windows is a lubricant for other parts of their business
plan. But a rental model (which was their initial business
plan for Windows 10) just isn't going to happen. Seven dollars
a month times zero consumers is zero.

Paul

"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.

On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
stored on your computer, and if you actually care.



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"The Natural Philosopher" wrote

| Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
| isn't water-resistant.
|
|
| Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is? Or
| smartphone as a service, android?
|
| Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
| about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
| and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
| stored on your computer, and if you actually care.
|

These days I don't think that aspect is very relevant.
Office 365 is installed locally. Adobe Creative Suite is
installed locally. They're far too complex to actually be
"cloud based". But they're both rental software and
both claim the right to call home, under the pretense
that they're services. They pretend to be cloud-based.
Both also require that you make repeat payments to
keep using them. Aside from offering some online storage,
the service designation and cloudiness have no
functional aspect. It's just a redefinition to justify
spyware and rental fees. It's marketing and commerical
propaganda, aimed at changing customer expectations.
It's as though GM or Ford put a meter in your car and
told you they now charge per mile. If you're sucker enough
to accept that then they'll collect payments from you.

And they are fooling most of the people most of the time.
Adobe's scam has been very sucessful. As I understand it,
you can actually use CS disconnected as long as you let
it call home every 90 days or so. On the other hand, it
defaults to storing your work on their server and not
locally. So for anyone who's not moderately tech savvy
it does seem to be running on the cloud: Stop paying
them and you lose all your files! As the old saying goes,
a sucker whips out his credit card every minute.

Linux? That's not really a desktop or a service. And as
you say, it's free. I don't know how you define a service
if it doesn't involve paying. Do you think of it as a service
because it updates itself without asking?
You may allow Linux to auto-update and auto-install
libraries. You may allow Ubuntu adware, or whatever their
latest monstrosity is. I wouldn't. That's one of the many
reasons I'm not using Linux. The others being that it's
perennially unfinished, lacks complete GUI support,
lacks docs, and sorely lacks software. I don't know what
the Linux designers are thinking. They're increasingly
designing "for dummies" with an unrealistic dream that
eventually Linux will take over the desktop, but only
so long as your definition of a desktop is a console
window and emacs. One can't get anything done without
opening console windows or digging into config files
buried in /etc. Conversely, auto-updating, crippling root,
limiting installer options... those are all for-dummies
designs that only make things more difficult for
experienced people. It's becoming the worst of both
worlds.
What the Linux fans never seem to get is that people
don't use GUIs because they're dumb. They use GUIs
because GUIs are much easier and more functional than
commandline. Ironically, the Linux paradigm is not so
far from the Apple paradigm these days, positing two
groups: The techies who make things work and the
detestable, dumb "users" who shouldn't be allowed to
touch the controls.

As with Office 365 and CS, MS DaaS will be installed
locally. It just won't be controllable by the person who
pays for it. That's very different from WinXP or 7, or
what came before, which can be run without the dubious
dripfeed of patches that people have got used to allowing,
and without the spyware. With pre-10, your computer
is your property. (Yes, the software is technically "licensed",
but it's yours to use as you see fit for as long as you like.)
I run both XP and 7. I don't allow either to call home. Nor
do I allow software on either to call out without permission.
Nor do I allow destabilizing dripfeed updates of who-knows-what.
I'm using a computer with installed software. Windows 10
users are using a device infested with spyware and have
been unofficially conscripted as unpaid beta testers for
the endless updates.

I'd say that's a very big difference, even though it's
not really a difference in the basic software or device.
If Win10 gets officially designated DaaS it will be a way
for Microsoft to take even more control. It will then be
like a shopping mall: You're free to be there, but only
for the purposes of buying stuff. You're subject to mall
rules and mall security.

In other words, the service is mainly in the legal
definitions and the rights you give up to use the product.

I see what you mean about tablets and computer
phones. But I think of those as semi-kiosk systems,
aimed mainly at "consumer services" -- devices for buying
stuff, looking at stuff you want to buy, or telling your
friends about stuff you just bought... as well as diddling
Facebook. PCs vs computer phones or tablets are two
very different things. They share having a CPU and
connecting to the Internet. But the former is a tool while
the latter are mainly commercial kiosk devices. But even
those are not actually services. You have a right to
control the software on your phone, if only you could
get to it.

Microsoft are getting away with running Windows 10 as
spyware. They're gradually redefining it as a service and
in doing so they define you as using your computer "on
their property". If you view all of these things as just
services then you're defining yourself as a "consumer"
on someone else's property. Which means you *don't*
define yourself as a citizen. Cows are consumers. They
eat grass and the cowherds then extract payment.
The cows are happy because all they really care about
is eating grass. But cows cannot be citizens. Do you really
want to be a cow?

After serious thinking The Natural Philosopher wrote :
On 01/08/18 12:51, Mayayana wrote:
"Rene Lamontagne" wrote

| Nevertheless, Computerworld, twisted the story
| and made up a dramatic crisis out of thin air. The
| author says straight out that MS are replacing Win10
| with a rental you'll have no control over. There's no
| basis at all for that statement that I can find.
|
| I'm not likely to jump off a bridge over that overblown article.
|

Just as well. Your Surface as a Service probably
isn't water-resistant.


Seriously though, isn't notebook as a service what a chromebook is?
Or smartphone as a service, android?

Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's
all about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded
centrally and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT
permanently stored on your computer, and if you actually care.

Not sure how an OS installed on my computer can be considered a
service. I use Slackware and there are no requirements by anyone to
run it.

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Indeed Liux itself is desktop as a service, except its free...It's all
about where the line is drawn between stuff that is upgraded centrally
and installed on your computer or upgraded cenrally and NOT permanently
stored on your computer, and if you actually care.

No it is not. Yes there is a central repository for programs and update,
but:

You are not forced to upgrade if you wish

It does not stop working if you don't

Your credentials, applications, and OS are all locally installed on your
system

It does not stop working if your disconnect from the network.

I have an old server retired with Ubuntu 10.04, well out of support.
Boots and works just fine.

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2018 22:14:09 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
then most people won't be able to say no.

Globally most people have said "no" already and are using Android:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems

"Michael Logies" wrote

| That will probably be coming eventually to Win10
| Pro and Home. Win10 is already halfway there. The main
| difference is that people aren't actually paying rent.
| But if MS doesn't make a lot of money from ads and
| trinket apps they probably will charge rent. And by
| then most people won't be able to say no.
|
| Globally most people have said "no" already and are using Android:
| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_...rating_systems

That's not going to happen. You're referencing all
devices, which includes phones. There's very little
relationship between a computer phone and a PC.
People using Win10 are using it because they need
to do work on a computer. They have to be, since
Microsoft have failed at selling either a phone
or a tablet. And if they want to use software on a
computer, there's not much choice besides Windows.
They can use a Mac if they want to waste money
and don't need software that's not on a Mac. But
business uses Windows.

As with Linux, Android is not ready for prime time
as a desktop. (Though the talk about forking it
away from Google's control is intriguing.)

MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

Someone will put a running vmware version of W7 and W10 out and everyone can use it. MS has been spying on us with W10 and I don't think that many individual users are going to be willing to pay MS monthly to use their spyware. I think that DaaS Windows is going to be the end of MS for home users.

On 7/31/2018 6:50 PM, Anonymous wrote:
MS has it wrong. I'll keep my pc and run Linux.

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3293429/microsoft-windows/with-daas-windows-coming-say-goodbye-to-your-pc-as-you-know-it.html

It's inevitable.
Won't be long before that power switch is replaced by a
credit card reader.

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

mike writes:

MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop, it's just that people are moving away to Android and iOS and
making the PC desktop irrelevant. Much like the PC made mainframes
irrelevant. IBM is still pretty strong in mainframes but it's not much
of a market.

In article , Anssi Saari
wrote:


MS underestimated Android in the phone market.
They might fail again with the desktop.

Here's hoping (for Microsoft's demise). But I think it's more like a
paradigm shift happened. Absolutely nothing threatens Microsoft on the
PC desktop,

quite a bit does. chromebooks are very strong in education and web apps
(mainly google) are winning out over ms office.

it's just that people are moving away to Android and iOS and
making the PC desktop irrelevant. Much like the PC made mainframes
irrelevant. IBM is still pretty strong in mainframes but it's not much
of a market.

yep.