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Disable Internet Explorer 11
Caver1 wrote:
On 05/11/2014 09:06 AM, Leala wrote: On 11-May-2014 08:51, Alias wrote: Caver1 wrote: I want to disable Internet Explorer 11. I have done everything that Microsoft says you have to do to disable IE 11. Which really isn't that much. First I made Firefox the default browser. Didn't work as IE kept opening up when links were clicked, even if they were clicked in Firefox. So I decided to disable IE. Microsoft says that if you disable IE 11 then nothing can access it as certain files are deleted so IE cannot run. So I went to Program and FeaturesTurn Windows Features on or offDefault ProgramsSet Associationsthen I unchecked IE 11. Supposedly that is all you have to do. I even restarted the computer,didn't have to. In File Associations I changed all IE entries to Firefox. When I made these changes all IE icons were changed to FF. Now I start FF click a link and IE starts up. How? Supposedly files have been deleted. I used search in Windows Explorer looking for IE's .exe file and it is not found. I look thru the part of the file system that I can see and I can't find IE's .exe file .So how is IE starting up? Supposedly if you disable IE 11 certain files are deleted and if you reenable IE 11 Windows has to download the deleted files. So if those files are gone how is IE running? Any solution? -- Caver1 Reinstall Windows before you **** it up even more. +1 Its Microsoft that screwed it up. And so far except to get it back to using a decent start menu I have made no other changes. Sure. -- Alias |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
Caver1 wrote:
On 05/11/2014 09:56 AM, Ken1943 wrote: You didn't read my other post. KenW What other post? This one?; That is only for the European windows where you must chose what browser to install. IE is not even installed. There are no other posts from you in this thread and I did answer it. Maybe you should read my answer. Remember that USENET is an unreliable medium. One post can take five seconds to propagate, the next can take 24 hours. It's easy for two posters to be seeing different (incomplete) thread contents. At one time, we could count on Google Groups, to have a "third opinion" on what posts were there or not, but the newer alt.* groups aren't visible on Google Groups. ******* Without attempting to reproduce and study what is seen in the original post, I'd make these observations. 1) Internet Explorer consists of a "visible part" (a traditional browser window) and in "invisible part" (HTML engine). 2) When you "remove" Internet Explorer, you cannot remove all of it. To satisfy EU requirements, removing the visible part, is sufficient to give the user "choice" in a browser. Perhaps removing a single file, such as iexplore.exe, achieves this result. 3) When a user clicks a .chm file, that's something like Compressed HTML. The "iehtml.dll" engine, parses the file and renders a help window on the screen. Thus, a core set of files from IE, remain on the computer. If you removed all of IE, certain help windows would not work. Maybe Windows 7 gadgets wouldn't work, or a myriad of other things coded in Javascript and HTML. I would expect some remnant of the software to remain, even if the engine files are not stored in a folder labeled Internet Explorer. 4) In terms of file removal, Windows 8 is like a book keeper who retains two sets of books. When the OS is initially installed, files are added to the "Store". The files have very long file names, capturing version information, or a CLSID or a GUID, that sort of thing. To activate a file, Windows creates a hard link in the Windows folder. Two hard links can point to the same set of data clusters on the disk (this is an NTFS feature, and why a modern OS can't install on FAT32). If there are two hard links to a file, and you delete one of the hard links, it has no effect on the data clusters on the disk. Only when all hard links pointing to the data clusters are removed, is the file truly deleted. So when you see iexplore.exe go missing, it doesn't really mean it is deleted. You would have to look in the store, and see if something with a similar name "iexplore" plus version information, some sort of identifier, is also removed or not. For things that are Windows Features, they could even be stored in other places for all I know. So they can be restored when the tick box in Programs and Features is ticked again. Something has to keep a file manifest, of what needs to be hard linked in. 5) When you untick the box, to remove Internet Explorer, it doesn't remove it. The iehtml engine in this case, will remain at version IE11. 6) If you uninstall the program, it takes the version down a notch, to IE10. You would then have iexplore.exe. If you untick the box to remove Internet Explorer, the iehtml engine would remain at IE10. 7) You can keep removing versions of Internet Explorer, until you get to the version distributed with the OS, whatever that is. That one cannot be removed. Unticking the box for IE as a browser, removes the linkage for iexplore.exe but leaves the iehtml engine to render .chm files or other things. For a reference to iexplore.exe to exist, all it would take is for a registry entry, to point to the "store" version of the file, rather than the iexplore.exe hard link stored elsewhere. They should not do that. That would break the maintenance features of the OS, and why the store exists in the first place. Now, do I want to tear my copy of Windows 8 apart to verify all of the above ? Not really. Sure, I could do a backup, tear it up, and do a restore, but that's a lot of work. I would need to make a file manifest both before and after using the tick box, and notice what got removed. And from Linux, attempt to use the fake inode numbers, to see what file pointers are hard linked together. ******* Perhaps it would be better, to use Process Explorer when the "missing" copy of iexplore.exe seems to be running, check the path claimed for the executable, and see if such a file exists. That might be easier than researching how the whole thing works. Or even use Process Monitor, to catch the Windows loader, loading up the executable. Stop the trace, after the IE windows finishes rendering. Process Explorer and Process Monitor, are here. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb545027 Paul |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
Caver1 wrote:
On 05/11/2014 09:25 AM, Ken1943 wrote: I was wrong on that. I had to tell my email program what browser to open when clicking a url. Picking a Windows default browser does not do the entire job. KenW Only setting a different default browser is supposed to do it except for programs such as Windows Update and such or links that are hard coded for IE. I don't do email in Windows and my wife only uses web email providers. So that's not a problem. I have never had to tell an email program in any version of Windows or Linux which browser to use as they're already setup to use the default browser. As I stated earlier I removed all preferences of files/folders to use IE and changed them to use Firefox. If you can't do it the way Microsoft says you can and you do it the way Microsoft says why do all IE icons/shortcuts change to Firefox icons/shortcuts when you do? And if it's a bad idea to do so, because it will break something else in Windows, why would Microsoft put that capability in Windows and tell you how to do it? All I did was click on "yes" when FF asked me if I wanted it to be the default which is all you need to do. -- Alias |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 05/11/2014 10:51 AM, Alias wrote:
How is disabling IE screwing it up? It's an integral part of Windows. You did something wrong or your default setting for FF should have worked. I know mine does on 7, 8 and Linux. -- Alias No I did nothing wrong. Yes it is an integral part of Windows. Microsoft has enabled disabling IE since XP. when disabling IE the parts that other parts of Windows needs to function are left there. If you don't believe that go to Microsoft.com and search for disabling/uninstalling IE 11. -- Caver |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
Caver1 wrote:
On 05/11/2014 10:51 AM, Alias wrote: How is disabling IE screwing it up? It's an integral part of Windows. You did something wrong or your default setting for FF should have worked. I know mine does on 7, 8 and Linux. -- Alias No I did nothing wrong. And that's why it's not working? Yes it is an integral part of Windows. Microsoft has enabled disabling IE since XP. when disabling IE the parts that other parts of Windows needs to function are left there. If you don't believe that go to Microsoft.com and search for disabling/uninstalling IE 11. I have no need to do that. When I click on a link, FF opens every time. It's too late but perhaps you should have made IE your default and then open FF and make FF the default. -- Alias |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 05/11/2014 10:52 AM, Paul wrote:
Remember that USENET is an unreliable medium. One post can take five seconds to propagate, the next can take 24 hours. It's easy for two posters to be seeing different (incomplete) thread contents. At one time, we could count on Google Groups, to have a "third opinion" on what posts were there or not, but the newer alt.* groups aren't visible on Google Groups* So are you saying that Ken1943 posts using Google groups? If Ken1943 were I wouldn't see any of his posts. I have checked the thread a couple of times. And not in the same session. And just did this session. If he posted another time let him prove it. Without attempting to reproduce and study what is seen in the original post, I'd make these observations. 1) Internet Explorer consists of a "visible part" (a traditional browser window) and in "invisible part" (HTML engine). 2) When you "remove" Internet Explorer, you cannot remove all of it. To satisfy EU requirements, removing the visible part, is sufficient to give the user "choice" in a browser. Perhaps removing a single file, such as iexplore.exe, achieves this result. This has nothing to do with EU requirements. Look at mt previous post; as to my and Microsoft's comments on that. There are no iexplore.exe in my file system now. I look through the whole file system myself, yesit took some time, after doinga search for it turned up nothing. I did a search for the file specifically and for just Internet Explorer generally. 3) When a user clicks a .chm file, that's something like Compressed HTML. The "iehtml.dll" engine, parses the file and renders a help window on the screen. Thus, a core set of files from IE, remain on the computer. If you removed all of IE, certain help windows would not work. Maybe Windows 7 gadgets wouldn't work, or a myriad of other things coded in Javascript and HTML. I would expect some remnant of the software to remain, even if the engine files are not stored in a folder labeled Internet Explorer. I only disable it the way Microsoft said to. No removal of all of IE happened. If I did remove IE completely how is it still starting up when a link is clicked? The only way you can delete IE completely is to go into your file system and delete all of IE manually. I doubt that Windows would allow you to do that, unless maybe as the built in Admin and in my version of 8.1I don't have the capability of making myself that. And IE 11 is not in Programs and Features in the uninstall program part of it. 4) In terms of file removal, Windows 8 is like a book keeper who retains two sets of books. When the OS is initially installed, files are added to the "Store". The files have very long file names, capturing version information, or a CLSID or a GUID, that sort of thing. To activate a file, Windows creates a hard link in the Windows folder. Two hard links can point to the same set of data clusters on the disk (this is an NTFS feature, and why a modern OS can't install on FAT32). If there are two hard links to a file, and you delete one of the hard links, it has no effect on the data clusters on the disk. Only when all hard links pointing to the data clusters are removed, is the file truly deleted. So when you see iexplore.exe go missing, it doesn't really mean it is deleted. You would have to look in the store, and see if something with a similar name "iexplore" plus version information, some sort of identifier, is also removed or not. Take a look at what Microsoft says about disabling IE and what happens when you do. I already did a search for ieplore.exe, Internet Explorer and variations of them. Windows did not find any other links to IE. For things that are Windows Features, they could even be stored in other places for all I know. So they can be restored when the tick box in Programs and Features is ticked again. Something has to keep a file manifest, of what needs to be hard linked in. That's exactly what Microsoft states. The files that they hide are in a folder somewhere in the system that can't be seen so IE cannot startup, but will be restored if IE is reenabled. I don't remember off hand what type of file Microsoft said it would be. 5) When you untick the box, to remove Internet Explorer, it doesn't remove it. The iehtml engine in this case, will remain at version IE11. I never said remove. I said disable. 6) If you unistall the program, it takes the version down a notch, to IE10. I don't think you can uninstall IE 11 as there is no reference to IE 11 in Program and Settings in the uninstall programs part. Also IE 11 was built for Windows 8. Will IE 10 work in 8 I don't know. Microsoft also stated that they would be offering IE 11 to Windows 7 users in the future sometime. You would then have iexplore.exe. If you untick the box to remove Internet Explorer, the iehtml engine would remain at IE10. Can't uninstall IE 11. Can only disable it. So no there would be no iexplore.exe for IE 10 there., as you wouldn't be going down a "notch" to IE 10. 7) You can keep removing versions of Internet Explorer, until you get to the version distributed with the OS, whatever that is. That one cannot be removed. Unticking the box for IE as a browser, removes the linkage for iexplore.exe but leaves the iehtml engine to render .chm files or other things. I know that. You can only remove IE 11 manually if Window's will let you. I doubt that it would let you remove the files it needs. When you disable IE it only hides certain files from the system so they can be restored if the want arises sometime. You keep repeating yourself. For a reference to iexplore.exe to exist, all it would take is for a registry entry, to point to the "store" version of the file, rather than the iexplore.exe hard link stored elsewhere. They should not do that. That would break the maintenance features of the OS, and why the store exists in the first place. If the "store" version of the file was hidden or moved, moved and hidden are both done. If the file is moved, hidden, or renamed the registry key would not be able to find it and so could do nothing. If Microsoft says you can disable IE without breaking anything and tells you how to do it, then you can do it. Microsoft says that when disabling certain files are moved and others are kept so nothing breaks. So am I to believe you or Microsoft. Microsoft is not going to tell you, or let you, do something that breaks the system. Now, do I want to tear my copy of Windows 8 apart to verify all of the above ? Not really. Sure, I could do a backup, tear it up, and do a restore, but that's a lot of work. I would need to make a file manifest both before and after using the tick box, and notice what got removed. And from Linux, attempt to use the fake inode numbers, to see what file pointers are hard linked together. So you are saying that you don't believe what Microsoft says can and will be done if you do it? ******* Perhaps it would be better, to use Process Explorer when the "missing" copy of iexplore.exe seems to be running, check the path claimed for the executable, and see if such a file exists. That might be easier than researching how the whole thing works. I'm not trying to research the way the whole thing works, except to find out why it's not working. Or even use Process Monitor, to catch the Windows loader, loading up the executable. Stop the trace, after the IE windows finishes rendering. Process Explorer and Process Monitor, are here. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb545027 Now you are actually mentioning something helpful. Thanks. Paul -- Caver1 |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 05/11/2014 10:54 AM, Alias wrote:
All I did was click on "yes" when FF asked me if I wanted it to be the default which is all you need to do. Then if that is the case why is IE still acting like it's the default? I also set Firefox up to check every time it is started that it is the default browser. If that would have worked I would not have tried to disable IE as Microsoft says you can without breaking the system. When those didn't work I disabled IE from being the default for certain file types and set Firefox as default. That didn't work either. After setting Firefox as default didn't work I found Set Default Programs. In there IE was still set as default. So I changed it to Firefox. IE still opened the links. Under Set Program Access & Computer DefaultsChoose a Configuration I changed it from MS Windows to NON Microsoft and also tried Custom settings. Neither of them worked. You have to do the last logged in as Admin. You can't do it from user and enter the Admin's password as you can do for somethings. -- Caver1 |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 05/11/2014 11:26 AM, Alias wrote:
Caver1 wrote: On 05/11/2014 10:51 AM, Alias wrote: How is disabling IE screwing it up? It's an integral part of Windows. You did something wrong or your default setting for FF should have worked. I know mine does on 7, 8 and Linux. -- Alias No I did nothing wrong. And that's why it's not working? Yes it is an integral part of Windows. Microsoft has enabled disabling IE since XP. when disabling IE the parts that other parts of Windows needs to function are left there. If you don't believe that go to Microsoft.com and search for disabling/uninstalling IE 11. I have no need to do that. When I click on a link, FF opens every time. It's too late but perhaps you should have made IE your default and then open FF and make FF the default. It's not too late as it is easy to reenable IE. One click does it. But I thought of that and did that before I tried to disable IE. Windows has been known to srewup on it's many times. Updates have caused that for some. Maybe if you tried to help like you did this time, instead of find my ineptness you might get better responses. -- Caver1 |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11 REPOST
On 05/11/2014 12:39 PM, Ken1943 wrote:
I was wrong on that. I had to tell my email program what browser to open when clicking a url. Picking a Windows default browser does not do the entire job. KenW If you paid attention I already answered that here; -- Caver1 |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 11/05/2014 13:51, Alias wrote:
Caver1 wrote: I want to disable Internet Explorer 11. I have done everything that Microsoft says you have to do to disable IE 11. Which really isn't that much. First I made Firefox the default browser. Didn't work as IE kept opening up when links were clicked, even if they were clicked in Firefox. So I decided to disable IE. Microsoft says that if you disable IE 11 then nothing can access it as certain files are deleted so IE cannot run. So I went to Program and FeaturesTurn Windows Features on or offDefault ProgramsSet Associationsthen I unchecked IE 11. Supposedly that is all you have to do. I even restarted the computer,didn't have to. In File Associations I changed all IE entries to Firefox. When I made these changes all IE icons were changed to FF. Now I start FF click a link and IE starts up. How? Supposedly files have been deleted. I used search in Windows Explorer looking for IE's .exe file and it is not found. I look thru the part of the file system that I can see and I can't find IE's .exe file .So how is IE starting up? Supposedly if you disable IE 11 certain files are deleted and if you reenable IE 11 Windows has to download the deleted files. So if those files are gone how is IE running? Any solution? -- Caver1 Reinstall Windows before you **** it up even more. I agree with Alias. It is pretty easy to make another browser default but you can't remove IE11 from Windows8/8.1 completely because it is an inherent part of the operating system. Without IE, your Windows will become a big sleeping giant on your desk. In FF you can make it default by doing what this picture depicts: http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/ae2f57fe-f044-4698-a408-db87060b2119/2014-05-11_1745.png You seem to have lots of problems with your system recently and Alias recommendation should be considered seriously. -- Good Guy Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk Website: http://html-css.co.uk Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us |
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On 11/05/2014 08:14, charlie wrote:
On 5/11/2014 3:04 AM, ...winston wrote: Caver1 wrote, On 5/11/2014 12:28 AM: I want to disable Internet Explorer 11. I have done everything that Microsoft says you have to do to disable IE 11. Which really isn't that much. First I made Firefox the default browser. Didn't work as IE kept opening up when links were clicked, even if they were clicked in Firefox. So I decided to disable IE. Microsoft says that if you disable IE 11 then nothing can access it as certain files are deleted so IE cannot run. So I went to Program and FeaturesTurn Windows Features on or offDefault ProgramsSet Associationsthen I unchecked IE 11. Supposedly that is all you have to do. I even restarted the computer,didn't have to. In File Associations I changed all IE entries to Firefox. When I made these changes all IE icons were changed to FF. Now I start FF click a link and IE starts up. How? Supposedly files have been deleted. I used search in Windows Explorer looking for IE's .exe file and it is not found. I look thru the part of the file system that I can see and I can't find IE's .exe file .So how is IE starting up? Supposedly if you disable IE 11 certain files are deleted and if you reenable IE 11 Windows has to download the deleted files. So if those files are gone how is IE running? Any solution? -- Caver1 Windows Update needs and uses IE. Other application software uses IE's files to print. Probably not a good idea to tamper further. Well, in theory, there is a windows "flavor" that does not have IE. That said, I've no experience with it. No quite. In Europe, Microsoft is required to "inform" windows users that there are other browsers they can use. The system itself comes with IE but users are required to install a patch so that they get constant messages informing them of other browsers. In my opinion a complete and utter stupid idea from the EU commission trying to enforce their own version of anti-trust rules on Microsoft. I don't want to be informed of other browsers; I know all of them or at least most of them but I don't like any of them except FF to ma certain extent until they start advertising in the browsers from next year. FF is planning something like that. -- Good Guy Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk Website: http://html-css.co.uk Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 11/05/2014 14:33, Caver1 wrote:
On 05/11/2014 08:51 AM, Alias wrote: Caver1 wrote: I want to disable Internet Explorer 11. I have done everything that Microsoft says you have to do to disable IE 11. Which really isn't that much. First I made Firefox the default browser. Didn't work as IE kept opening up when links were clicked, even if they were clicked in Firefox. So I decided to disable IE. Microsoft says that if you disable IE 11 then nothing can access it as certain files are deleted so IE cannot run. So I went to Program and FeaturesTurn Windows Features on or offDefault ProgramsSet Associationsthen I unchecked IE 11. Supposedly that is all you have to do. I even restarted the computer,didn't have to. In File Associations I changed all IE entries to Firefox. When I made these changes all IE icons were changed to FF. Now I start FF click a link and IE starts up. How? Supposedly files have been deleted. I used search in Windows Explorer looking for IE's .exe file and it is not found. I look thru the part of the file system that I can see and I can't find IE's .exe file .So how is IE starting up? Supposedly if you disable IE 11 certain files are deleted and if you reenable IE 11 Windows has to download the deleted files. So if those files are gone how is IE running? Any solution? -- Caver1 Reinstall Windows before you **** it up even more. How is disabling IE screwing it up? Disabling cripples your operating system because it is integrated with the Windows system. without IE windows becomes a lame duck. -- Good Guy Website: http://mytaxsite.co.uk Website: http://html-css.co.uk Email: http://mytaxsite.co.uk/contact-us |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
On 05/11/2014 12:51 PM, Good Guy wrote:
I agree with Alias. It is pretty easy to make another browser default I Know it usually is. Been doing it since Win 3.1. but you can't remove IE11 from Windows8/8.1 completely because it is an inherent part of the operating system. Without IE, your Windows will become a big sleeping giant on your desk. If you paid attention I never said I wanted to remove it completely. In fact I stated that it couldn't be done. I also pointed to Microsoft's web page that states that you can disable it without causing problems and what is done when you do disable IE. In FF you can make it default by doing what this picture depicts: http://content.screencast.com/users/JT19560819/folders/Jing/media/ae2f57fe-f044-4698-a408-db87060b2119/2014-05-11_1745.png You seem to have lots of problems with your system recently and Alias recommendation should be considered seriously. No This is the only real problem. I have had. The other problem was I couldn't access a file that I created. Found out how and did that problem solved. If you count those two as alot then you need better understanding of what "lots" mean. I know how to make a browser default.-- Caver1 |
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On 11 May 2014, Caver1 wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8: So are you saying that Ken1943 posts using Google groups? If Ken1943 were I wouldn't see any of his posts. I have checked the thread a couple of times. And not in the same session. And just did this session. If he posted another time let him prove it. I see four posts from Ken. It's up to you to find them. He doesn't have to prove a damn thing. |
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Disable Internet Explorer 11
Caver1 wrote:
Maybe if you tried to help like you did this time, instead of find my ineptness you might get better responses. You're not getting any more help from me. -- Alias |
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