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Old February 21st 12, 10:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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Default I keep getting large icons?

I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details".

From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with
an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level
pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from
there to - well, for example, currently
D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large
icons.

Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders
Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever).
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Old February 21st 12, 11:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Paul
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Default I keep getting large icons?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details".

From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up
with an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level
pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from
there to - well, for example, currently
D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large icons.

Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders
Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever).


If there are graphics files in the folder (GIF or JPG), perhaps
that is triggering the folder to be treated as a special photos folder ?
(In the lower right corner of the white space used for the folder, you'll
see a bluish icon indicating the special status.)

There is mention of a "Use this folder type as a template", and
perhaps all the photo folders (on creation) will inherit the template.

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/812003

I checked a photo folder here, and mine seems to be in detail view.
And for whatever reason, if I make another folder with only images
in it, it's still in detail view. I don't remember fixing this...
I seem to remember turning off Thumbnail creation at some point,
but that may be all I've adjusted.

Paul
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Old February 22nd 12, 12:11 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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Default I keep getting large icons?

It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft
didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A
fix and full explanation are he

http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix

(I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is
slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience
with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.)



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Old February 22nd 12, 12:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft
didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A
fix and full explanation are he

http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix

(I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is
slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience
with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.)



Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA
stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in
Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have
everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy
Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.)
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Old February 22nd 12, 12:37 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Paul
writes:
[]
If there are graphics files in the folder (GIF or JPG), perhaps
that is triggering the folder to be treated as a special photos folder ?
(In the lower right corner of the white space used for the folder, you'll
see a bluish icon indicating the special status.)


No, it's not the content - because once it has started to work in icons
mode (not thumbnails, I think), it stays in icons mode, even if I look
at another folder.

There is mention of a "Use this folder type as a template", and
perhaps all the photo folders (on creation) will inherit the template.


(I thought that was only in Windows 7, but I'm probably wrong.)
[]
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Old February 22nd 12, 01:22 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix
|
| (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is
| slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience
| with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.)
|
| Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA
| stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in
| Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have
| everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy
| Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.)

I don't understand. You don't want everything
in a browser window? The utility doesn't put your
folders in a browser window. What it does is to
fix the Registry settings for folder display. It does
that with VBScript. The HTA is just a graphical
interface, so that people can specify the settings
they want without having to edit script code. In
other words, it's like a program that you might
install to fix folders. It's just that it's written in
script instead because that's quicker and easier to
do....and because it allows people to inspect the
code if they want to.

I won't feel insulted if you just don't want to trust
other peoples' software. But there's nothing "iffy"
about HTAs per se. They're used quite a bit by
corporate IT to write quick, customizable GUI software.

I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but it's not that
kind of a thing. The settings are complex and convoluted.
(There's a detailed explanation in the HTA file in the
download, below the utility GUI.)


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Old February 22nd 12, 07:52 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Default I keep getting large icons?

J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

I _NEVER_ want the large icons view - I want "details".

From time to time - difficult to pin down a common cause - I end up with
an icons view, especially if I've looked at one of the top-level
pseudofolders, such as "My Documents". Trouble is, if I drill down from
there to - well, for example, currently
D:\genealog.y\PETER\!pending\Gilliver - the view _remains_ on large
icons.

Any suggestions, other than live with it? I know about Make All Folders
Like This One, and so on - doesn't work (at least not for ever).


http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711

I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name
referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since
whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect.

If you don't want to edit the registry, use the TweakUI powertoy for
Windows XP (under the Explorer - Customizations tree node) to alter the
value. That modifies the the "Bag MRU Size" (with space between "Bag"
and "MRU") data item in the registry hence why I have both data items
defined there. Microsoft says "BagMRU Size" into the KB articles but
TweakUI and other tweakers create and modify "Bag MRU Size".

Note that increasing this cache size merely extends how long before
customizations get lost. If you have more than 8000 folders than
increase this value further. I don't know what is its max value but I'm
sure there is one (after all, DWORD values in the registry can have up
to a max of 8 hexidemcal digits for a max value of FFFFFFFF hex or
4,294,967,295 decimal).

When I run "cd /d c:\" and then "dir /ad /s" in a command shell (aka DOS
prompt), the total directory (folder) count is over 21,000. Yet I've
not noticed loss of folder customizations after upping the count to
8000. That's probably this value only applies to customized folders and
I haven't done that much that I can recall.
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Old February 22nd 12, 07:56 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mayayana wrote:

It's broken. It never did work right because Microsoft
didn't code it properly and then never fixed the bug. A
fix and full explanation are he

http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix

(I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is
slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience
with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.)


You'll notice the description for that utility says:

Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them!

Wrong. You can edit the registry settings for how large is the folder
customization cache. Increase the folder customization cache's size.
See my 1st-level post to Gilliver on how to change the cache size which
can be done with registry editing or tweakers.
  #9  
Old February 22nd 12, 09:34 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)
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In message , Mayayana
writes:
| http://www.jsware.net/jsware/xpfix.php5#folfix
|
| (I also wrote a fix for Vista/7 at one point, which is
| slightly different from XP. But in my limited experience
| with Vista/7 it appears that MS finally fixed the bug.)
|
| Thanks for that, but "XPFix and XP Folder Fix are HTA utilities. HTA
| stands for "HTML Application". An HTA is just a webpage that runs in
| Internet Explorer like a program." I fear I don't want to have
| everything in a browser window, so I'll just stick with the buggy
| Explorer. (Sorry, that sounds more ungrateful than I intend.)

I don't understand. You don't want everything
in a browser window? The utility doesn't put your
folders in a browser window. What it does is to
fix the Registry settings for folder display. It does
that with VBScript. The HTA is just a graphical
interface, so that people can specify the settings
they want without having to edit script code. In
other words, it's like a program that you might
install to fix folders. It's just that it's written in
script instead because that's quicker and easier to
do....and because it allows people to inspect the
code if they want to.

I won't feel insulted if you just don't want to trust
other peoples' software. But there's nothing "iffy"
about HTAs per se. They're used quite a bit by
corporate IT to write quick, customizable GUI software.

I'd tell you how to do it yourself, but it's not that
kind of a thing. The settings are complex and convoluted.
(There's a detailed explanation in the HTA file in the
download, below the utility GUI.)


Thanks. The explanation on your page led me to believe that it was
something that ran in a browser window (which is sort of true) but that
also all my exploring would then be in browser windows (which is of
course not the case).

I've tried it. I wasn't able to drag the edges of the sample window, but
was able to enter figures into the boxes in the next one down, so no
matter. The application triggered my firewall several times, and them
went unresponsive for a _long_ time (I think more than the few seconds
it warns about!), then reported it had successfully adjusted 8xx
windows. I think it has worked. Thanks for it.
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Old February 22nd 12, 04:25 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711
|
| I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name
| referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since
| whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect.

There are several issues going on there. One is the
option to increase the cache limit for remembering
folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then
there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but
just picking a gigantic number won't provide any
improvement.

The various "bags" keys are where the settings are
stored. Usually the display type (details, list, etc.) will
hold if you've set it and if the folder is of type "Documents".
The setting doesn't apply to other folder types. (The
various specialty folders that MS cooked up for folders
that contain mostly images, for instance.)

The actions Microsoft suggests work because it involves
deleting the entire record of folder settings. The cache
then starts fresh. That might work for J. P. Gilliver if the
problem was that he went over the cache limit. (It won't
change the specialty folder behavior that designates some
folders to show thumbnails.)

Aside from that there are entirely different issues. The
settings to choose the folder view for all folders only
specify the display type. (details, list, etc.) And they don't
always work unless the cache is first deleted. Not just
because of cache limits but also because the whole system
is not designed properly. The bags settings are actually
designed to store window sizes, display type, folder style,
etc. Explorer writes those settings at every folder close
and checks those settings at every folder open. But Explorer
doesn't save the settings correctly in the first place, so
it doesn't read them back properly!

The point of the utility I wrote is to fix all current settings
and add settings to apply to future folders. It records folder
window size settings, display type, and provides the option
to override all special folder types. (Never show thumbnails
unless they're selected in a given folder window.) By recording
all of the necessary settings properly it causes Explorer to
actually use those settings when a folder window is opened.

If you don't care about folder size or imposed thumbnail
view then Microsoft's advice should work to fix wrong
style display. (Though after you delete the cache settings,
when you open the first folder, you should set the style and
then go to Tools - Folder Options - View - Apply to
All Folders)

If you want more control then you have to do something
like what my utility does. You have to fix the settings. My
utility fixes all existing settings for thoroughness, then sets
the standard settings values for future folders. But if you
wanted to do it yourself by hand it might also work
to first delete all of the bags subkeys and then create this
key:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\Shell NoRoam\Bags\AllFolders\Shell\

Then save your preferences in that key. But note that
you have to save them just so. The system is somewhat
nonsensical. If certain specific values are not added it
may not work, it may require two clicks to open a folder,
or you may see other odd behavior. (If you have any
familiarity with VBScript and/or with these settings, you
can find a fuller explanation of all this in the comments
inside the FolFix.vbs file in the utility download. But be
prepared for tedium. This is just one of many cases where
the Microsofties seem to have assigned the task to a
new intern and told him that he would be paid in direct
proportion to the level of complexity and abstruseness that
he could produce. This particular intern was quite bright.



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Old February 22nd 12, 04:32 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| You'll notice the description for that utility says:
|
| Windows stores settings for up to 5,000 folders and then ignores them!
|
| Wrong.

I don't claim to be a genius, but I have done extensive
research on this particular topic. See my other post.

You're often quick to just slam people with "Wrong!".
It's not up to me to lecture you on the value of diplomacy
and manners, but if you enjoy being smug you should
at least make sure you're absolutely right in your position
before hitting other people over the head with your
"victory proclamation". It will not only help your public
image, but will also be more helpful to people reading
your answers.


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Old February 22nd 12, 05:08 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Char Jackson
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Default I keep getting large icons?

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 10:25:35 -0500, "Mayayana"
wrote:

| http://support.microsoft.com/kb/813711
|
| I upped mine to 8000. Note that I've seen this data item's name
| referenced as "BagMRU Size" and "Bag MRU Size". I've added both since
| whichever is the wrong one won't have an effect.

There are several issues going on there. One is the
option to increase the cache limit for remembering
folder settings. If you really open 8,000 folders then
there's no reason not to set the cache that big, but
just picking a gigantic number won't provide any
improvement.


snip

Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
to?

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Old February 22nd 12, 05:20 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
Mayayana
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| Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
| to?

If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
the thread and posting order.


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Old February 22nd 12, 06:12 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Default I keep getting large icons?

Mayayana wrote:
| Your posts are all missing an attribution line. Who are you replying
| to?

If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
the thread and posting order.


I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.
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Old February 22nd 12, 07:05 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Mayayana wrote:
| If you read posts in a real newsreader instead
| of reading via webpages then you'll be able to see
| the thread and posting order.
|
|
| I read them in Seamonkey and see no thread or posting order.

You mean for this thread or for all? I'm using
Outlook Express. It looks normal to me. If you
can't see the "thread tree" for any posts then
you might consider getting another reader. Not
showing the thread structure would pretty much
defeat the purpose of a news reader.

There was a discussion about news readers
recently. See the thread "Newsgroups" from 2/13.
I've also seen MesNews highly recommended, which
I don't think was mentioned in that thread. OE has
always been fine for me, so I don't really know
much about other readers.


For this thread only.
 




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