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Old March 11th 18, 09:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
HB[_3_]
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.....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I have
a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS would
give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on this
group must know how to stop these updates.


  #2  
Old March 11th 18, 09:45 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.
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Old March 11th 18, 10:28 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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"wg_2002" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


  #4  
Old March 11th 18, 12:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Keith Nuttle
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On 3/11/2018 5:28 AM, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

It comes in two versions. One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


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Old March 11th 18, 05:04 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
HB[_3_]
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"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
news
On 3/11/2018 5:28 AM, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?


https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

It comes in two versions. One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


I've been using MFF for years now. I'm not sure what this Browser has to do
with an OS. If we switch to Macs we'd have a lot of software we couldn't
use.




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Old March 11th 18, 08:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Mark Lloyd[_2_]
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On 03/11/2018 06:04 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

[snip]

system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/


Firefox is a browser.
The mail program from the same source is Thunderbird
(https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/).

It comes in two versions.Â* One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.


Yes. Avoid MS browsers and Windows Media Player too (VLC from
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ seems to work well here).

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


I left Outlook Express when Windows 98 was the latest version. I'm not
sure what I was using for mail then, but now it's Thunderbird.

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Old March 12th 18, 07:25 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
HB[_3_]
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
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On 03/11/2018 06:04 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:

[snip]

system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/


Firefox is a browser.
The mail program from the same source is Thunderbird
(https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/).

It comes in two versions. One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.


Yes. Avoid MS browsers and Windows Media Player too (VLC from
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ seems to work well here).

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


I left Outlook Express when Windows 98 was the latest version. I'm not
sure what I was using for mail then, but now it's Thunderbird.


I'm downloading it now. I'll give it another shot. Thanks.


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http://notstupid.us/

"Religion stills a thinking mind."



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Old March 11th 18, 12:44 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul
  #9  
Old March 11th 18, 05:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
HB[_3_]
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"Paul" wrote in message
news
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell
MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.
It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always
choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created
for windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac
or other system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul


Thanks Paul. It's over my head. Setting something like that up. The laptop
in question has 8 GBs of RAM and a 1 TB HD. I have no idea where I'd get
the keys (or a hack) since those old PCs are long gone and their info with
them.


  #10  
Old March 11th 18, 06:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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HB wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message
news
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell
MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.
It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always
choose
another alternative.
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created
for windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac
or other system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul


Thanks Paul. It's over my head. Setting something like that up. The laptop
in question has 8 GBs of RAM and a 1 TB HD. I have no idea where I'd get
the keys (or a hack) since those old PCs are long gone and their info with
them.



You start at the beginning.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

VirtualBox 5.2.8 platform packages

Windows hosts = https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...121009-Win.exe

After that one is installed, you can download this one.
Double-clicking this one, because you accepted the file extensions
that VirtualBox likes to use, this file triggers the
starting of VirtualBox, and it adds things such as passthru USB
support (so a USB scanner can be seen from inside the Guest OS).

https://download.virtualbox.org/virt...8.vbox-extpack

Before you become a whiz kid at VMs, you can start
with an Appliance. Microsoft offers these, for free.
They have no license key. The grace period (like with
normal licensing matters) is 30 days, with up to 3
re-arms (if they haven't used up the re-arms on purpose).

https://developer.microsoft.com/en-u...vms/#downloads

Select the VM you want to play with (for the purposes of
seeing what a VM is like).

IE8 on Win7 (x86)

Select the Platform. Because you installed VirtualBox, use...

VirtualBox

The ZIP file offered, will be on the order of 4GB in size.
Don't use an OS with a FAT32 C: drive, because of the danger
the downloaded file will be too big. Your existing machine
with its NTFS C: drive, won't have a problem with it.

https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/V...VirtualBox.zip

Inside there is a .ova. If you double-click the .ova,
VirtualBox should open and agree to unpack it. If you
accept the defaults, a new entry should appear in the
left hand side of the VirtualBox setup screen.

Double-clicking that, would start the virtual machine running.
The Microsoft password is "Passw0rd!" for the IEUser account.

The window might open at 1024x768 or so. If inside the
Guest OS, you use the Display control panel, you can
request a different size, and make the "window" containing
the OS larger. Grabbing the corner of a VirtualBox window
doesn't always work the best. And asking the VM to make
its own window larger works OK.

Inside the Guest, you use the menus like you always did.

It will take a little getting used to, to occasionally
need to use a hot key for something. You need one of the
keys to make the mouse "escape" from the Guest OS window.
One of my tools uses "right-control" key, another uses
"Alt" key for this. You'll get the hang of that after
a while.

And in the usual place, you can select shutdown in the
Guest, and it will stop running.

There are lots of other details that are important
in VirtualBox, but that's a "5GB trial run" for you :-)

*******

The appliance for WinXP is not offered for download any more
on the Microsoft site. It seems to be in archive.org but
they're not giving it to me :-) :-) I find it unbelievable
that the CDN at Microsoft got archived. You'd think there
was a norobots file on it. The checksum by the way, is of
the copy I've got. I don't have a working download today
to compare it to.

IE8.XP.For.Windows.VirtualBox.zip
1,229,679,520 bytes
SHA256: 0613AD942B46DCB9C83CA44644F7D4961606389C85C149FCB3 AC59169DCFAEE5

https://web.archive.org/web/20151013...VirtualBox.zip

Paul
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Old March 11th 18, 04:12 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Run Windows XP in a virtual machine for OE and other older applications
that have trouble running directly on Windows 10.

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Old March 11th 18, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
HB[_3_]
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"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...
On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Run Windows XP in a virtual machine for OE and other older applications
that have trouble running directly on Windows 10.


Where would I start? This looks way beyond what I can handle without
screwing up the new laptop.


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Old March 11th 18, 07:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Roger Blake[_2_]
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On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
Where would I start? This looks way beyond what I can handle without
screwing up the new laptop.


First things you need are a Windows XP license key and the matching
type of XP installation CD. To stay legal you would need to use a retail
edition of XP. (However, I have seen where people have used an OEM edition
with the key salvaged from a dead XP computer and it worked and activated
OK. Of course I would never suggest that anyone actually do such a thing
since it violates Microsoft's licensing.)

Then you have your choice of virtualization software. The one I'm
most familiar with is Virtualbox (virtualbox.org) which is free
for noncommercial use. You create the new virtual machine with
the desired amount of memory and storage, install XP, and then
install the Virtualbox guest software for seamless operation.

Here's a tutorial, there are plenty of others around as well:

http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-1...irtualbox.html

Needless to say you need enough memory and disk space to allocate to the
virtual machine but that's seldom a problem on modern hardware, especially
for Windows XP whose requirements are minimal by today's standards.

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Old March 11th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Frank Slootweg
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HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.
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Old March 11th 18, 05:21 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Brick[_2_]
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On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
news
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.


I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.

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