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telnet to win7
I have 2 windows 7 puters. I would like to telnet and ftp between them. I can login to each other but cant get a usable shell - ksh is choice. I can start it but it does not stay up - executes the login stuff like .bashrc and ,profile, but then exits. I am looking for a setup similar to what you get when you telnet to a unix system. Any ides? All help appreciated. -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Will Renkel Wheaton, Ill. --------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Will Renkel wrote:
I have 2 windows 7 puters. I would like to telnet and ftp between them. I can login to each other but cant get a usable shell - ksh is choice. I can start it but it does not stay up - executes the login stuff like .bashrc and ,profile, but then exits. I am looking for a setup similar to what you get when you telnet to a unix system. Any ides? All help appreciated. The client is a little easier to deal with. https://social.technet.microsoft.com...et-client.aspx The server side (telnetd) is not. While this subsystem existed in the Win2K era, it probably isn't around today (Windows Services for UNIX???). https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/.../bb463201.aspx Interix Telnetd Login shell: All users login to the Interix shell /bin/ksh. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Services_for_UNIX https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/pre...771470(v=ws.11) Unbelievably, the download still works. I thought for sure this idea was dead. Now, you'll have to find out whether they included a telnetd, or whether the package is mainly candy floss. http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/downl...s.aspx?id=2391 OK, I saw an "in.telnetd" in there. Which means you can test it. Back up your C: first, test out the kit. If not happy, restore from backup. The inetd server should dispatch in.telnetd when a telnet program comes calling. This is Unix stuff from like, 30 years ago. Even your average Linux distro doesn't offer this now, because everything (your username and password) all travel in plaintext. This protocol should not be port forwarded through your router. You should not telnet into the Windows machine from Starbucks, for best security. Everyone in Starbucks will know your password if you do that :-/ (Never assume a public Wifi is immune to scraping.) Anything you do in public, should use good crypto. Stelnet, sshd, openssh or whatever. Don't expect to find good crypto support, in those packages Microsoft has kindly provided for historical reasons. Finding the client side, is always going to be easy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PuTTY It's the server bits that aren't going to be quite as easy. Especially modern server bits with the necessary crypto. So while PuTTY may have some support for more secure login, there might not be a server side piece for Windows to go with it. You might be able to go from Windows PuTTY to Linux ssh of some sort. Paul |
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this is not so well. Today you have bluetooth.
if you have two usb ports then you can bluetooth them. On ebay, get two bluetooth usb chips and the disc. Then install them on both machines with the software. Then you just radio between the two computers, and you dont need to be online to do any of it.... And, you can mp3 later to any of the dam devices that are for sale. The CSR 4.0 is cheap on ebay, about 2$ Windows has a telnet program in its folder. But as I said, why use it. The way above is much nicer and easier to use without a connection. On 3/8/2018 9:51 AM, Will Renkel scribbled: I have 2 windows 7 puters. I would like to telnet and ftp between them. I can login to each other but cant get a usable shell - ksh is choice. I can start it but it does not stay up - executes the login stuff like .bashrc and ,profile, but then exits. I am looking for a setup similar to what you get when you telnet to a unix system. Any ides? All help appreciated. |
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It might be better if you told us what you are trying to accomplish ...
On 08/03/2018 17:51, Will Renkel wrote: I have 2 windows 7 puters. I would like to telnet Telnet specifically? Telnet is an insecure easily intercepted means of communication, because it travels unencrypted. For this reason, as others have said, by default in W7+, may actually be Vista+, the service required for the remote end of the communication path is not installed, and you'd have to find out how to install it. Even on 2k/XP, the service, though installed, is disabled by default. It's not what you are asking, but for communication with my Linux boxes from W7, almost exclusively I use Putty + ssl. Even on my own home cabled network, I only use telnet briefly in emergencies when it's the only thing that will work. Depending on what you want to do, probably you'd do better to use the means of communications that Windows provides, which are Remote Assistance and Remote Desktop, see ... Control Panel, System, Advanced system settings, Remote .... though I ought to say these are one of the first things I disable on any new W7 installation! Again, why do you need this sort of terminal-based communication? If you'd explain that, we might be able to suggest better alternatives for accomplishing what you want. and ftp between them. Again FTP is insecure because it's sent unencrypted. At least use SFTP, but why not use Windows sharing which is based on Server Message Block (SMB often referred to as Samba), which is secure, as long as you set it up properly. Here is an extended quote from a post of mine to an old thread which explains how to set up Windows sharing securely: Quote: IMO, M$'s default sharing arrangements have always been insecure, as perhaps you are realising. What follows is the comparatively secure way that I've always set up sharing, ever since Windows 2000. Note: These are W7 instructions only, other versions of Windows will obviously be similar but not exactly the same, because of M$' pointless and idiotic habit of hiding all the control levers in different places with every new edition of Windows, thus forcing people continually to relearn everything they've known for years. (Can you imagine the catastrophic chaos that would result on the roads if car manufacturers decided to do that?). In what follows, I assume that you want to create shares on each PC visible to others, and that none are work PCs signing on to a domain server. On each PC: 1) Go into ... Control Panel, All Control Panel Items, System, Advanced system settings, Computer Name, Change .... and ensure that name and workgroup are changed to something memorable from the defaults, and that the former is unique, and the latter is the same for all the machines that you wish to share files together. If you make changes here, before trying out the sharing you will need to reboot at some point so that the system can pick up the changes, but it needn't be done immediately. 2) Any user wishing to access a share on a PC must have a user account on that PC, so set up the necessary accounts up on each PC, giving them the same logon user id and passwd as they normally use on their own PC. (If on a particular PC you want a user only to be able to access a share, but not be able to sign on to it, you still need his/her account to exist, but then it must be added to a block list in that PC's security policy - however, this may not be possible on some lower cost editions of Windows, and is beyond the scope of these notes). To add user accounts, go into Control Panel, User Accounts, or else rt-click My Computer and select Manage, and then Local Users and Groups, Users. 3) Go into ... Control Panel, All Control Panel Items, Network and Sharing Center, Advanced sharing settings .... and set the following: Network discovery Probably on, unless reason otherwise; File and printer sharing Probably on, unless reason otherwise; Public folder sharing Probably off, unless reason otherwise; Media streaming Probably off, unless reason otherwise; File sharing connections Use 128-bit, unless reason otherwise; Password protected sharing Turn on; HomeGroup connections Select 'Use user accounts and passwords'. 4) On each directory or drive of each machine that you want to share... rt-click, then choose Share with, Advanced sharing, Advanced sharing; Select Share this folder; Type a suitable share name (note that ending it with a '$' will hide it from users casually browsing from other PCs); Type a suitable comment, if required; Click Permissions, remove the relatively insecure default permissions offered, and then click ... Add, Advanced, Find Now ... and by clicking and ctrl-clicking select and add the following: Admininstrators System Authenticated Users ... and then give them the following permissions ... Admininstrators Full Control System Full Control Authenticated Users Read or Read/Change as required 5) If necessary, but DO NOT DO THE FOLLOWING ON THE WINDOWS FOLDER OR OTHER SYSTEM FOLDERS, rt-click the drive or directory being shared and select ... Properties Security .... and ensure the permissions above are replicated on the drive or folder itself. |
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In message , Java Jive
writes: It might be better if you told us what you are trying to accomplish ... On 08/03/2018 17:51, Will Renkel wrote: I have 2 windows 7 puters. I would like to telnet Telnet specifically? Telnet is an insecure easily intercepted means of [snip] and ftp between them. Again FTP is insecure because it's sent unencrypted. At least use [HUGE essay snipped.] FGS: he hasn't said he's running a nuclear power station, munitions factory, or even a business! Your concerns about the insecurity of Telnet and FTP are almost certainly justified - but, I don't think it was necessary to go into such length without giving him the option to come back to you with some indication of what sort of situation he's in. They might even be a couple of computers that are wired together and have no outside world connection, in which case it doesn't matter _how_ insecure any communication between them is - and, in fact, complex encrypted communication would just make the whole thing more complicated, at least to one who knows telnet and ftp but not the others you mention. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I can prove anything with statistics - except the truth. |
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On 17/03/2018 16:02, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Java Jive writes: It might be better if you told us what you are trying to accomplish ... On 08/03/2018 17:51, Will Renkel wrote: I have 2 windows 7 puters.Â* I would like to telnet Telnet specifically?Â* Telnet is an insecure easily intercepted means of [snip] and ftp between them. Again FTP is insecure because it's sent unencrypted.Â* At least use [HUGE essay snipped.] FGS: he hasn't said he's running a nuclear power station, munitions factory, or even a business! Despite what you write below, it's extremely likely that the computers are in use, are likely to have some sort of personal data on them, and also are connected to the internet in some way, so telnet and FTP should not be used. Your concerns about the insecurity of Telnet and FTP are almost certainly justified - but, I don't think it was necessary to go into such length without giving him the option to come back to you with some indication of what sort of situation he's in. What you call an 'essay' was simply a set of instructions to set up secure sharing, which could be useful to anyone, not just the OP. They might even be a couple of computers that are wired together and have no outside world connection Possible, but unlikely - given that he is likely to have some sort of router to be communicating with us, the further likelihood is that the two PCs are connected via that same router, either cabled or wirelessly, and the instructions I gave will enable him to share files between the two securely. |
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