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Where's the title in Chrome?
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in
the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf That's how he [Dr. Who] seems to me. He's always been someone who gets the /Guardian/. There are some parts of the universe where it's harder to get hold of. - Peter Capaldi (current incumbent Doctor), RT 2016/11/26-12/2 |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? A search for "chrome title bar missing" offered https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Hidden-B...-Toolbars-Back HTH, |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? The page title is in the tab, but naturally you can't really see it there if some tabs are open. There is a chrome extension to enable the title display in the lower R - called Show Title Tag. You can also move it around if you don't like the lower R or make it go away. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...lpmpblfgnkdgio I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the page title in the title bar. -- Mike Easter |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? Here, the title is in the top part of the tab in the tab bar. Look where indicated in this screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/8RNxdBz.png If you have two or more web pages open in tabs, you can see all the titles on their respective tabs in the tab bar. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 19:02:15 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the page title in the title bar. In Firefox for Windows... (a) If Firefox is configured to show tabs in the title bar (the default), then each page's title is only in its respective tab. (b) If Firefox is configured to show title bar and tabs separately, then the current page's title is in the title bar and each tab's title is also in its respective tab. In Firefox 59 on Windows, the choice between (a) and (b) is configured at (Menu) Customize [ ] Title bar Firefox for Linux does not come with option (a), AFAIK. https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/939371 -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
In message , Monty
writes: On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote: In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? A search for "chrome title bar missing" offered https://www.wikihow.com/Get-Hidden-B...-Toolbars-Back HTH, NID, I'm afraid. It says: 5. Since Chrome uses extensions to add toolbars, you'll be able to enable any non-working toolbars from here. 6. Find your toolbar. Scroll down to the toolbar that you want to use with Chrome. o If you can't find the toolbar, you may first have to reinstall the extension. 7. Enable the toolbar. Check the "Enabled" box to the right of the toolbar extension 9. Run a virus scan. If your toolbars still won't work properly, you may have a virus (No even hint of _what_ extension.) Actually, I've just noticed it is headed "How to Get Hidden Browser Toolbars Back": I'm talking about the title bar, a standard Windows function, not toolbars within Chrome. But I think the next post looks more promising. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The desire to remain private and/or anonymous used to be a core British value, but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by- product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton, Computing 6 September 2011 |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
On 03/24/2018 09:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? I'm in Linux but my Chrome allows me to right click on the tabs toolbar (beyond the last open tab) and there is a choice to show title bar and borders. I don't get borders, just the title bar, but that might be my configuration of my Linux Desktop. I know you're probably on windows but I offer as a possibility. |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
In message , Mike Easter
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? The page title is in the tab, but naturally you can't really see it there if some tabs are open. Yes, with a moderate number of tabs, I can only see four or three characters of each title! It doesn't take many more before NONE of the title is visible. There is a chrome extension to enable the title display in the lower R - called Show Title Tag. You can also move it around if you don't like the lower R or make it go away. https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...kbffbhglicfngm ppdlpmpblfgnkdgio Thanks - that's better than nothing, I suppose. Except I can't see how to move it from bottom right. There's an eye symbol, which if clicked on, makes it disappear altogether, and getting it back requires a very arcane procedure I'd never have got without the support page! I read somewhere that newer v./s of Firefox also lost the page title in the title bar, but the ffx I have in front of me is 57.0 and it has the page title in the title bar. I use 26 (-: -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The desire to remain private and/or anonymous used to be a core British value, but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by- product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton, Computing 6 September 2011 |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
In message , Ralph Fox
writes: On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? Here, the title is in the top part of the tab in the tab bar. Yes, all three characters of it (-: Look where indicated in this screen-shot: --- https://i.imgur.com/8RNxdBz.png If you have two or more web pages open in tabs, you can see all the titles on their respective tabs in the tab bar. Only if I hover over the tabs. In Firefox, I can see the title _of the tab I have open_, all the time. (The extension another poster pointed me to does show the title, but AFAICS only in the bottom right corner, and it's fragile.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf The desire to remain private and/or anonymous used to be a core British value, but in recent times it has been treated with suspicion - an unfortunate by- product of the widespread desire for fame. - Chris Middleton, Computing 6 September 2011 |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
In message , Big Al
writes: On 03/24/2018 09:06 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? I'm in Linux but my Chrome allows me to right click on the tabs toolbar (beyond the last open tab) and there is a choice to show title bar and borders. I don't get borders, just the title bar, but that might be my configuration of my Linux Desktop. I know you're probably on windows but I offer as a possibility. Thanks. I am on Windows (7), and unfortunately, it doesn't have that option. It brings up the same menu - Restore, Move, Minimise, Maximise, New tab, Reopen closed tab, Task manager, and Close - as I get by right-clicking in a lot of other parts of the header. I _have_ noticed that if I maximise, minimise, or restore, that the animation as it's moving between sizes _does_ have the title bar - but only during the (fraction of a second) transition! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf "I've got this shocking pain right behind the eyes." "Have you considered amputation?" - Vila & Avon |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse over a tab. While the tab's width might be too short to show the title, a popup balloon will appear with the full title. The expectation is that you will have more than one tab open. A title bar will only show the title of the page in the currently selected tab. When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles. To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't even a setting in Google Chrome to set focus on a newly opened tab so you have to get an extension for that (I use Empty New Tab Page). OneTab https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...kdnihall?hl=en I don't know if its down chevron added to the right of the address bar is for all open tabs or only for the tabs you had it unload. Tabs Outliner https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...ijnphhppkpkmkl Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a learning curve than for other tab managers. Toby https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...ibdmnaalmgkpip Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner. Tabli https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...nhjjplpkeomghi Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles. Might be what you're looking for. TooManyTabs https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...eeeadojiibgbdp A graphical version of Tabli along with unloading tabs like OneTab. When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs, likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a new window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out of the current window). In the same way you group related subfolders based on topic of their parent, you can manage tabs by grouping the related ones in separate web browser windows. I do that open when there are more than, say, 20 tabs in a window. It is unlikely that all 20 current tabs and future tabs are all related to each other. Even if they are, there is likely a subgrouping for the tabs, like on sub-topics when researching something that throws you at lots of different sites. If you're the type that piles every shortcut for every program under the one Programs subfolder of the Start Menu (so the Programs subfolder is a mess of shortcuts instead of subfolders for each app and even then under subfolders for type of app) then you don't organize, won't be grouping tabs into different windows, so you'll need an extension to help you manage the mess. |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
In message , VanguardLH
writes: [] No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse over a How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the space ("screen real estate" as they say in America). tab. While the tab's width might be too short to show the title, a popup balloon will appear with the full title. Yes, I have discovered that. And as soon as I move the mouse away, the popup disappears. The expectation is that you will have more than one tab open. A title Er - yes! bar will only show the title of the page in the currently selected tab. And the main bulk of the window will only show the content of the currently-selected tab - which is likely to be the one I'm interested in! When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles. There isn't in mine, assuming by address bar you mean the box with the URL in it. (I have 14 tabs open at the moment.) There's a star, which if I hover over it brings up a tooltip Bookmark this page. To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox (and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ... even a setting in Google Chrome to set focus on a newly opened tab so you have to get an extension for that (I use Empty New Tab Page). .... although I was extremely surprised that I needed an add-on for Chrome to make it even open a new tab as blank (if anything, I'd have expected that to be the default and to have to have an add-on to have it open as anything else). But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and resto you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar, _with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I have blue title bars.) OneTab https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...bolifaimnlloii pkdnihall?hl=en I don't know if its down chevron added to the right of the address bar is for all open tabs or only for the tabs you had it unload. Ah, maybe you only get the chevron you mentioned above if you have that one installed. Tabs Outliner https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...gkanocgddhmaml biijnphhppkpkmkl Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a learning curve than for other tab managers. Toby https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...hddnkoipeenegf oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner. Tabli https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...bbnhbfponhjjpl pkeomghi Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles. Might be what you're looking for. No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to ask? TooManyTabs https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...chrome/amigcgb heognjmfkaieeeadojiibgbdp A graphical version of Tabli along with unloading tabs like OneTab. When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs, likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a new window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out of the current window). In the same way you group related subfolders based on Again, I shall operate my computer as I wish - if I wish to open lots of tabs in one window, I shall do so. I currently have 14 in Chrome and 27 or 28 in Firefox (in multiple rows in Firefox, since I have the Tab Mix Plus add-on). I don't want multiple of each open; apart from anything else, I rather like to have use the "open same tabs as you had when you closed" function both browsers offer, and I think multiple windows would endanger that. But it's a bit of a straw man anyway - I think more than about only three to five tabs open would truncate the titles sufficient to make them less useful. topic of their parent, you can manage tabs by grouping the related ones in separate web browser windows. I do that open when there are more than, say, 20 tabs in a window. It is unlikely that all 20 current tabs Certainly, 20 tabs would probably give me between 0 and 2 characters of the title in each, which is useless. and future tabs are all related to each other. Even if they are, there is likely a subgrouping for the tabs, like on sub-topics when researching something that throws you at lots of different sites. If you're the type that piles every shortcut for every program under the one Programs subfolder of the Start Menu (so the Programs subfolder is a mess of shortcuts instead of subfolders for each app and even then under subfolders for type of app) then you don't organize, won't be grouping tabs into different windows, so you'll need an extension to help you manage the mess. My programme shortcuts are divided into subsections (e. g. disc, optical, genealogy, images, internet, sound & video, registry, hardware, ....). My bookmarks in Firefox are sorted three deep. The files on my D drive are well sorted. But if you would allow 20 tabs in a Chrome window, you aren't seeing usable titles. If you want a _reason_ why I want to see titles in full and all the time - there are probably lots of them, but I'll give one: YouTube tend to show the details of the current video in the title bar. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf I hate people who quote Shakespeare at you but are proud that they can't add up. Stupid People. - Carol Vorderman (Radio Times, 1-7 March 2003) |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 02:06:01 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In my (old) Firefox, the title of a webpage, if it has one, is shown, in the title bar of the browser window. In Chrome (if it makes any difference, I have "Version 64.0.3282.167 (Official Build) (32-bit)"), the browser window doesn't _have_ a title bar (and I can see no way to re-enable one) - and, I can't see a page's title. Is there a setting to make it visible? I don't think so. Can't find any flags or command line switches for it. In Windows platform, its window's style actually already has a titlebar, but the application custom-draw it to show its application skin which has no visible window title. IIRC, on early build of Opera Blink, it still has the native window titlebar which also has the application icon on the far left side, and the minimize+maximize+clone system buttons. So, I think whether to show the native window titlebar or not, is hardcoded in the source code. |
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Where's the title in Chrome?
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
VanguardLH WROTE: No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse ... How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the space ("screen real estate" as they say in America). How arrogant of YOU that you think their software becomes your property just because you use it on your computer. Yes, it's your hardware. That doesn't change that it is THEIR software. Choices a use a different web browser with the features you demand or install extensions to add features that you demand. I bet you think you own the land on which sits your house. Once the mortage is paid, yes, you own the house. You never own the land. Just stop making your property tax and eventually the gov't will seize everything: the land and everything on it (although you could move the house which is your property). When there are many tabs, there will appear a down chevron at the right-side of the address bar. Click on it to see a list of tab titles. There isn't in mine, assuming by address bar you mean the box with the URL in it. Oops, I was confusing with a feature in Firefox. To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox (and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ... Extensions are even more ubiquitous with Google Chrome. Features in Firefox that require extensions in Google Chrome: - Empty New Page Firefox lets you specify loading a blank tab. - Tabs to Front An option in Firefox. - Go Back With Backspace Firefox didn't disable the Backspace key for backware navigation. Those are the only ones that I installed for features in Firefox that I wanted in Google Chrome. Although I haven't trialed it, seems Vivaldi (another Chromium variant) has lots of user-configurable options and lets you adjust its chrome how you want. However, I still consider Vivaldi web browser a beta product despite the author said it is released. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...di+web+browser But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and resto you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar, _with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I have blue title bars.) Sounds more like a painting bug, like the hover-on-tab string is momentarily appearing. Maybe it takes a slower computer than I have although mine is pretty old (circa 2009, Intel Core 2 quad, Acer mobo). I cannot reproduce what you describe. Maybe some add-on is slowing the close of the window. http://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy...cdefghijk.com/ That wraps to 2 lines when I hover the mouse over the tab. Maximize and Minimize do not let me see a "ghost" title bar. However, it's a tough case to reproduce. Rarely do I see a ghost of the titlebar when changing window size for Firefox. I've yet to see it for Google Chrome. I can see what you describe in Firefox; however, Firefox has the option to show a title bar. No such option in Google Chrome. Many windows call system APIs for standard windows controls. Google Chrome uses its own custom code and does not use any standard Windows GUI controls. I suspect Google is trying to keep the feature set the same across all OS platforms. Other web browser adds features that are Windows specific but then those features are missing when the web browser has to run under a different OS that doesn't have the same windowing controls. You'll need to find a different Chromium variant with all the features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is not something you will tolerate). Tabs Outliner https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...gkanocgddhmaml biijnphhppkpkmkl Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a learning curve than for other tab managers. Toby https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...hddnkoipeenegf oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner. Tabli https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...bbnhbfponhjjpl pkeomghi Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles. Might be what you're looking for. No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to ask? You seem to have focused only on my last suggestion. They weren't listed in any particular order, especially because they behave differently. Why won't Tabs Outliner give you want you want, and more? Tabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there as you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the following Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to display the tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner. Hell, that means Tabs Outliner gives you not only a permanent title listing of the selected tab but for ALL your tabs. Tabs Outliner is not momentary. You want a title bar that is permanent but only for the selected tab. Tabs Outliner is a titlebar on mega steroids that shows you the current tab's title and the title for all the other tabs, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjcrfKjobY It's up to you to find an extension, if available, that gives the feature you want that Google does not include in their cross-platform web browser. Or look at other Chromium variants. They're different because they offer different features. When there are too many tabs in a web browser window that the title shown in the tab is too short to identify or differentiate the tabs, likely you've opened unrelated tabs within the same window. Open a new window (easy to open a new tab for a site and then drag it out of the current window). In the same way you group related subfolders based on Again, I shall operate my computer as I wish - if I wish to open lots of tabs in one window, I shall do so. And developers will code how they wish. Instead of using a native workaround, you choose to be lazy. Okay, but then you already realize you're piling everything into the stew instead of eating steak and potatos separately. C'est la vie. My programme shortcuts are divided into subsections (e. g. disc, optical, genealogy, images, internet, sound & video, registry, hardware, ...). My bookmarks in Firefox are sorted three deep. The files on my D drive are well sorted. But if you would allow 20 tabs in a Chrome window, you aren't seeing usable titles. Because tabs don't wrap to another line (something TabMix Plus added to Firefox but got killed in the Quantum release). So you need to supplant the changing tab size with something that gives you a text list showing longer strings hence the need for an extension to add what you want in the web browser that isn't there natively, or see if a different web browser with a different feature set suits you better (e.g., Vivaldi). No one here will re-code Chromium for just your title bar requirement. Google Chrome uses its own windowing code instead of using standard windowing controls via Windows API calls (so it can be cross-platform). They chose to minimize the chrome. They chose NOT to add a title bar or provide an option to add one (they don't want anyone corrupting their chrome which is a security and malware issue). Use as-is, try some extensions, or try a different web browser. There are lots of choices. |
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In message , VanguardLH
writes: J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: VanguardLH WROTE: No need for wasted chrome space for a title bar. Hover the mouse ... How supremely arrogant (not necessarily of you, but somebody, possibly at Chrome)! It's _my_ computer, and _I_ shall decide how I will use the space ("screen real estate" as they say in America). How arrogant of YOU that you think their software becomes your property just because you use it on your computer. Yes, it's your hardware. That doesn't change that it is THEIR software. Good point. Choices a use a different web browser with the features you demand or install extensions to add features that you demand. I would if I could find one. The only one I've found so far that actually does anything is Show Title Tag, which shows it in the bottom right corner (and is fragile, i. e. easily closed by accident requiring tortuous effort to get it back). Oh, I've just discovered that another one I'd tried that I thought wasn't working _is_ doing something - "Easy! Show Title Plus". But it pops up a semi-transparent sub-window over the top left of the actual page. I bet you think you own the land on which sits your house. Once the mortage is paid, yes, you own the house. You never own the land. Just stop making your property tax and eventually the gov't will seize everything: the land and everything on it (although you could move the house which is your property). (We call it council tax here, but I think the principle is similar.) As it happens I don't own the land anyway: I live in a park home (which I think you might call a trailer and even in UK most people call a mobile home, though it's anything but - it's more like a square bungalow, and connected to mains electric, water, gas, and drainage); I own the home but not the land, for which I pay rent (as well as my council tax). [] Oops, I was confusing with a feature in Firefox. OK, easily done. To see all tabs and their titles along with some additional tab management features, there are add-ons for that. That's how Google Except I don't want to see all their titles, just the one of the tab I have open. Which I can in Firefox (the version I use anyway) - in the title bar. I've just checked - the same applies to the IE (11) I have on here, though I never use that. So it's only Chrome (out of those three, anyway) that's different. Chrome has been forever: you add extensions for features you want beyond what comes in the web browser. Other web browsers pile in a bunch of extra features of which many, if not most, go unused. Hell, there isn't I wouldn't consider using something which is a default Windows feature an "extra feature", but I accept we're not going to agree on that (-:. I appreciate the add-ons philosophy; I'm familiar with it from Firefox (and Thunderbird, though I don't use that) ... Extensions are even more ubiquitous with Google Chrome. Features in [] Those are the only ones that I installed for features in Firefox that I wanted in Google Chrome. Although I haven't trialed it, seems Vivaldi I haven't installed much in Chrome, as I consider it very much my secondary browser, just to be used for pages that won't load properly in my old Firefox. (Which I stick to because Firefox itself keeps, OK adding new things, but making more difficult to access - and eventually removing, or at least removing control of - things I am used to having access to.) (another Chromium variant) has lots of user-configurable options and lets you adjust its chrome how you want. However, I still consider Vivaldi web browser a beta product despite the author said it is released. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...di+web+browser Thanks, but if _you_ consider it a work-in-progress, I probably would too. (And I bet it doesn't show the title bar!) But the title bar code _is already there_: find a page with a long enough title that you can see it, then set your Chrome window to a large, but not full-screen, size. Then play with maximise, minimise, and resto you will see if you watch carefully that, during the animation when the window is shrinking down to the taskbar and coming back, or between full screen and not, that it has the normal blue title bar, _with the title in it_! So they've written _extra_ code to overwrite it with the tab bar! (I don't know if it's always blue or just because I have blue title bars.) Sounds more like a painting bug, like the hover-on-tab string is momentarily appearing. Maybe it takes a slower computer than I have No, it's a real title bar, just like the ones on all my other Windows (blue for me, as I have a classic non-aero theme). although mine is pretty old (circa 2009, Intel Core 2 quad, Acer mobo). I cannot reproduce what you describe. Maybe some add-on is slowing the close of the window. This is a four apparent (I think two real) core laptop, so maybe a little faster than yours, but I still see it. I tried to do a screen grab, but couldn't - I think it's more that the maximise/minimise/restore animation locks out the PrtSc key rather than me not being able to press it in time. You might be right about an extension slowing it, though - I have 8, though wouldn't have _thought_ any of them would affect minimise/maximise time (I'd have thought that was part of Windows), but that could be it. (Or it could be the theme. Yes, I've just tried changing to the default Aero theme: indeed, under that, I can't see an _obvious_ title bar appearing during minimise/restore [though it might still be doing so but being semi-transparent is harder to see].) http://www.abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxy...cdefghijk.com/ That wraps to 2 lines when I hover the mouse over the tab. Maximize and (Doesn't for me, but that may be due to the font size I have set for tooltips [8] or screen width [1366 to match the hardware].) I thought you'd made that up - I wasn't expecting it to be a real website! (Out of curiosity, I tried it in Firefox and IE: they show it in their title bar, but truncated [... in Firefox, - in IE].) Minimize do not let me see a "ghost" title bar. However, it's a tough case to reproduce. Rarely do I see a ghost of the titlebar when changing window size for Firefox. I've yet to see it for Google Chrome. I can see what you describe in Firefox; however, Firefox has the option to show a title bar. No such option in Google Chrome. Many windows call system APIs for standard windows controls. Google Chrome uses its own custom code and does not use any standard Windows GUI controls. I suspect Google is trying to keep the feature set the same across all OS platforms. Other web browser adds features that are And I understand that desire. Although I think Mac, for example, has title bars; not sure about Linux by default, and I suspect they probably try to minimise such things on 'phones. I'd have thought they'd let the standard Windows bar appear, with their custom UI inside that, but I understand them not having; I'd just have thought they might leave an _option_ to have it back though. Windows specific but then those features are missing when the web browser has to run under a different OS that doesn't have the same windowing controls. You'll need to find a different Chromium variant with all the features you demand (if using extensions as workarounds is not something you will tolerate). I'd tolerate - by this stage, even welcome - one that gave me the standard Windows title bar back. (Googling shows that [a] I am far from alone in wanting this, [b] there doesn't _seem_ to be one. But I grant I could easily not have found it if there is.) Tabs Outliner https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...gkanocgddhmaml biijnphhppkpkmkl Shows a tree list of tabs along with their hierarchy. More of a learning curve than for other tab managers. Toby https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...hddnkoipeenegf oeaoibdmnaalmgkpip Too cutsy for me. I'd probably go with Tabs Outliner. Tabli https://chrome.google.com/webstore/d...bbnhbfponhjjpl pkeomghi Adds a toolbar button that pops up a list of tabs by their titles. Might be what you're looking for. No, I'm looking for one that displays - and not just momentarily - the title, if it has one, of the currently-open tab. Is that too much to ask? You seem to have focused only on my last suggestion. They weren't listed in any particular order, especially because they behave differently. Why won't Tabs Outliner give you want you want, and more? I did look at all the descriptions you gave, but they looked as if they'd give me _too much_ - I just want to see the title of the page I'm currently viewing, (a) without having to press a button to get at it, (b) _without_ seeing the titles of _all_ the tabs I have open. Tabs Outliner opens its own window to show its tree which stays there as you surf and as you alter your tab count. In fact, from the following Youtube video, it looks like a separate window is used to display the tree of tabs for Tabs Outliner. Hell, that means Tabs Outliner gives you not only a permanent title listing of the selected tab but for ALL your tabs. Tabs Outliner is not momentary. You want a title bar that is permanent but only for the selected tab. Tabs Outliner is a titlebar on mega steroids that shows you the current tab's title and the title for all the other tabs, too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqjcrfKjobY I've now viewed the video (well, the first two minutes anyway), though from your description of "its own window" I'd expected what I saw. It is as you say a title bar on mega steroids - but I don't want another (quite large!) window opening that shows the title of every tab I have open, I just want to see the title of the one I'm looking at! I'd say "is that too much to ask", but clearly it is. It's up to you to find an extension, if available, that gives the feature you want that Google does not include in their cross-platform web browser. Or look at other Chromium variants. They're different because they offer different features. I'll just live with it; that "Easy! Show Title Plus" will do, or indeed just the hover over the tab thing. I've had a _reasonable_ look for extensions that do what I want (and not really found any); I don't want to go looking for other browsers/variants - I want to actually use the computer for actually doing things more these days, less for playing with it as much as I used to like doing. I just thought I'd ask in case anyone _did_ know of an easy way (extension if I must, ideally setting) that did what I want, but it seems not. (Though as I said I'm far from alone in wanting it - or thinking it's not a big ask! -, it seems.) [] And developers will code how they wish. Instead of using a native workaround, you choose to be lazy. Okay, but then you already realize you're piling everything into the stew instead of eating steak and potatos separately. C'est la vie. _You_ said you'd let up to 20 tabs accumulate before opening another Chrome window, so you are eating stew too (-:. [] Because tabs don't wrap to another line (something TabMix Plus added to Firefox but got killed in the Quantum release). So you need to supplant the changing tab size with something that gives you a text list showing longer strings hence the need for an extension to add what you want in the web browser that isn't there natively, or see if a different web browser with a different feature set suits you better (e.g., Vivaldi). No, I don't want a list; I only want to see one! Like the main window: I don't want to have visible, thumbnails of all the pages I have tabs open for: when I select a different tab, I see the web page under it, and lose sight of the web page under the tab I previously had selected. I just want the same for the title (-: No one here will re-code Chromium for just your title bar requirement. Google Chrome uses its own windowing code instead of using standard windowing controls via Windows API calls (so it can be cross-platform). They chose to minimize the chrome. They chose NOT to add a title bar or provide an option to add one (they don't want anyone corrupting their chrome which is a security and malware issue). Use as-is, try some extensions, or try a different web browser. There are lots of choices. Well, I see it as they chose to _remove_ a standard Windows feature, (that nearly all the other software I use has, though some don't make much use of it), rather than choosing _not to add_ it. I accept that these are different interpretations, probably both valid. _If_ there's an extension that gives me it back, I'll gladly install it! -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Just because you're old it doesn't mean you go beige. Quite the reverse. - Laurence Llewelyn-Bowen, RT 2015/7/11-17 |
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