What's Wrong with 10 ?!

From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')

On 07/05/16 10:37, SteveGG so wittily quipped:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')


looks like more than half of those are mine (thanks for the shout-out)

On 07/05/2016 01:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')

First off, I have Win 10 but moved to linux at the beginning of the year
and only go back maybe an hour or so a month. But that having been said:

1) You can update with the media creation tool or go here
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO
and do it anytime you want (till the end of July). Not sure about your
"with what I choose" comment.
2) You can stop some/most of it, but I think you have to get a grip on
the fact that everyone is gathering info on you. Google search, online
shopping/browsing, grocery stores that give out those member cards are
tracking buying habits etc.
3) This I agree totally with.
4) I grant that it's not the easiest, but after a year, it's grown on
me. I had a friend that insisted on putting all his favorite most used
program on the start menu as small tiles. I tried it, and it's a lot
better than trying to find the everyday items on that hell of a menu.
And you can group the tiles too. It kinda grows on you if you give it
a chance.
5) See above.
6) Can't say anything here. I've moved through all versions
sequentially (no skipping version except Vista) and haven't seemed to
lose anything. But that could be my usage habits.
7) I've got mine quite customized, and I've seen screenshots from others
that have really gone overboard. Granted I will give you that 10 is
less tolerant to change, most of the reason I went to Linux Mint
Cinnamon, as I can tweak the living crap out of the appearance.

Of course this is just one persons view. No need to start a flame war,
I've seen lovers and haters here on these groups, and to each his own,
nobody is right or wrong, it's just opinionated. As said before, my
usage habits may not be another's and I may tolerate change better than
another person.

Good luck either way.

On Tue, 05 Jul 2016 12:18:40 -0700, Big Bad Bob
wrote:

On 07/05/16 10:37, SteveGG so wittily quipped:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')


looks like more than half of those are mine (thanks for the shout-out)

Yes, a great list, and credit where it's due ...

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:56:14 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 07/05/2016 01:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')

First off, I have Win 10 but moved to linux at the beginning of the year
and only go back maybe an hour or so a month. But that having been said:

1) You can update with the media creation tool or go here
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO
and do it anytime you want (till the end of July). Not sure about your
"with what I choose" comment.
2) You can stop some/most of it, but I think you have to get a grip on
the fact that everyone is gathering info on you. Google search, online
shopping/browsing, grocery stores that give out those member cards are
tracking buying habits etc.
3) This I agree totally with.
4) I grant that it's not the easiest, but after a year, it's grown on
me. I had a friend that insisted on putting all his favorite most used
program on the start menu as small tiles. I tried it, and it's a lot
better than trying to find the everyday items on that hell of a menu.
And you can group the tiles too. It kinda grows on you if you give it
a chance.
5) See above.
6) Can't say anything here. I've moved through all versions
sequentially (no skipping version except Vista) and haven't seemed to
lose anything. But that could be my usage habits.
7) I've got mine quite customized, and I've seen screenshots from others
that have really gone overboard. Granted I will give you that 10 is
less tolerant to change, most of the reason I went to Linux Mint
Cinnamon, as I can tweak the living crap out of the appearance.

Of course this is just one persons view. No need to start a flame war,
I've seen lovers and haters here on these groups, and to each his own,
nobody is right or wrong, it's just opinionated. As said before, my
usage habits may not be another's and I may tolerate change better than
another person.

Good luck either way.

No flame war. Appreciate your comments.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:56:14 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 07/05/2016 01:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')

First off, I have Win 10 but moved to linux at the beginning of the year
and only go back maybe an hour or so a month. But that having been said:

1) You can update with the media creation tool or go here
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO
and do it anytime you want (till the end of July). Not sure about your
"with what I choose" comment.

OK, I went a bit overboard here. I suppose it's possible that someone
could come up with some custom update to address an issue. I know I've
declined 2 updates because of what they did. Can't now remember
specifics but it was things I didn't want.

2) You can stop some/most of it, but I think you have to get a grip on
the fact that everyone is gathering info on you. Google search, online
shopping/browsing, grocery stores that give out those member cards are
tracking buying habits etc.
3) This I agree totally with.
4) I grant that it's not the easiest, but after a year, it's grown on
me. I had a friend that insisted on putting all his favorite most used
program on the start menu as small tiles. I tried it, and it's a lot
better than trying to find the everyday items on that hell of a menu.
And you can group the tiles too. It kinda grows on you if you give it
a chance.
5) See above.
6) Can't say anything here. I've moved through all versions
sequentially (no skipping version except Vista) and haven't seemed to
lose anything. But that could be my usage habits.
7) I've got mine quite customized, and I've seen screenshots from others
that have really gone overboard. Granted I will give you that 10 is
less tolerant to change, most of the reason I went to Linux Mint
Cinnamon, as I can tweak the living crap out of the appearance.

Of course this is just one persons view. No need to start a flame war,
I've seen lovers and haters here on these groups, and to each his own,
nobody is right or wrong, it's just opinionated. As said before, my
usage habits may not be another's and I may tolerate change better than
another person.

Good luck either way.

On 07/05/2016 01:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:

From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')

I had Win7Pro on desktop and a laptop already. I bought a used ThinkPad
with Win7Pro and updated both it and the Desktop to Win10Pro and
installed Classic Shell so that they no longer look like the
touch-screen devices that they are not.

The "desktops" look the same as they did with Win7Pro. I have
encountered no problems. I don't use Edge, just as I did not use IE. I
use Thunderbird for email.

Mostly I use Linux these days, but I have no more complaints about Win10
than I did about Win7.

Perce

On 7/5/2016 12:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

agreed


[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')



To be honest, my main gripes with win 10 are the updating and privacy
issues. All of the gui items you can turn off or change mostly (thank
goodness because metro sux!!). I don't care for 10 just like I didn't
care for most newer windows versions (I did like win 7 and win xp), but
the fact of the matter is that it is windows under the hood so it does
what we need it to do and our corporate technology culture is built
around it so as much as I don't care for it, I can mod it to look and
function mostly like 7 or 8.1 without the metro interface, change all of
the privacy settings that I can and in the end, our company is moving to
it.

There are features in it that users like and some of them also like the
surface pro 4. Most sill run 7 but I have tested all of our apps on 10
and we are moving to 10.

On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:33:26 -0500, capitan
wrote:

On 7/5/2016 12:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

agreed


[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')



To be honest, my main gripes with win 10 are the updating and privacy
issues. All of the gui items you can turn off or change mostly (thank
goodness because metro sux!!). I don't care for 10 just like I didn't
care for most newer windows versions (I did like win 7 and win xp), but
the fact of the matter is that it is windows under the hood so it does
what we need it to do and our corporate technology culture is built
around it so as much as I don't care for it, I can mod it to look and
function mostly like 7 or 8.1 without the metro interface, change all of
the privacy settings that I can and in the end, our company is moving to
it.

There are features in it that users like and some of them also like the
surface pro 4. Most sill run 7 but I have tested all of our apps on 10
and we are moving to 10.

For me, the most maddening thing about 10 is that it periodically
changes the default programs. For example, yesterday the default for
..pdf was changed to Edge. I have a favorite program I use to read pdf
files and I don't want it changed. It took me a little time to figure
out how to change back to the pdf reader I want. This seems to me to
be totally unnecessary. I guess the big anniversary update will cause
all the defaults to change again. This is a major annoyance that no
one needs to deal with.

On 07/06/2016 09:19 AM, Shoe wrote:
On Tue, 5 Jul 2016 15:33:26 -0500, capitan
wrote:

On 7/5/2016 12:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

agreed


[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')



To be honest, my main gripes with win 10 are the updating and privacy
issues. All of the gui items you can turn off or change mostly (thank
goodness because metro sux!!). I don't care for 10 just like I didn't
care for most newer windows versions (I did like win 7 and win xp), but
the fact of the matter is that it is windows under the hood so it does
what we need it to do and our corporate technology culture is built
around it so as much as I don't care for it, I can mod it to look and
function mostly like 7 or 8.1 without the metro interface, change all of
the privacy settings that I can and in the end, our company is moving to
it.

There are features in it that users like and some of them also like the
surface pro 4. Most sill run 7 but I have tested all of our apps on 10
and we are moving to 10.

For me, the most maddening thing about 10 is that it periodically
changes the default programs. For example, yesterday the default for
.pdf was changed to Edge. I have a favorite program I use to read pdf
files and I don't want it changed. It took me a little time to figure
out how to change back to the pdf reader I want. This seems to me to
be totally unnecessary. I guess the big anniversary update will cause
all the defaults to change again. This is a major annoyance that no
one needs to deal with.

I found myself using these two programs
http://defaultprogramseditor.com/
and
http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/file_types_manager.html

The first I think allows you to export the registry changes. I did this
for a few in Win8.1 and then when I got to 10 I could just click the
..reg file and make the adjustments.
You can also change icons etc. I've changed the "edit" on the right
click to open one program but "open" to open another. i.e.PNG will
open a viewer but edit with photoshop.

Shoe wrote:


For me, the most maddening thing about 10 is that it periodically
changes the default programs. For example, yesterday the default for
.pdf was changed to Edge. I have a favorite program I use to read pdf
files and I don't want it changed. It took me a little time to figure
out how to change back to the pdf reader I want. This seems to me to
be totally unnecessary. I guess the big anniversary update will cause
all the defaults to change again. This is a major annoyance that no
one needs to deal with.

If you think you're unhappy, imagine how a Windows Insider
user feels, when they get an OS upgrade every few days!

What happens is, after a while you just stop customizing things.

For a PDF, I just drag and drop it onto the program I want.
In fact, the PDF reader icon sits in the same folder as
my Downloads :-)

*******

To relate a funny story, this comes from yesterday.

On the Win10 Insider edition, I have a definite hate on,
for the Power option that causes the screen to go blank
after 10 minutes. The screen is set to go away after 10
minutes. This is the way Microsoft likes it.

Now, I've been customizing this since at least WinXP.
Setting it to 2 hours instead of 10 minutes. 2 hours
is *my* preferred value.

On Windows 10, every time a new OS comes in, it goes
back to 10 minutes.

On Windows 10, if a new graphics driver comes in
(back when Microsoft was experimenting with autopatching
video driver defects), the time would go back to 10 minutes.

So yesterday, my OS is set back to two hours the
way I like it. OK.

I run a "Power troubleshooter", from the Troubleshooter
Control Panel section. Not knowing that it is
going to "auto-fix" things I did not want auto-fixed!
I was hoping it would have an option to fix Hibernation.

And the funny part is

- the Troubleshooter finishes its run, saying it "fixed stuff"
- I look at the detailed report
- Report says "your screen blank time is too long, so we
fixed it".
- screen blank time is back to... 10 minutes.

As they say in BorgLand, Resistance is Feudal.

So even though the screen blank time is programmable
by the user, the correct answer is... 10 minutes. Grrr.

Paul

On 7/6/2016 11:41 AM, Paul wrote:
Shoe wrote:


For me, the most maddening thing about 10 is that it periodically
changes the default programs. For example, yesterday the default for
.pdf was changed to Edge. I have a favorite program I use to read pdf
files and I don't want it changed. It took me a little time to figure
out how to change back to the pdf reader I want. This seems to me to
be totally unnecessary. I guess the big anniversary update will cause
all the defaults to change again. This is a major annoyance that no
one needs to deal with.

If you think you're unhappy, imagine how a Windows Insider
user feels, when they get an OS upgrade every few days!

What happens is, after a while you just stop customizing things.

For a PDF, I just drag and drop it onto the program I want.
In fact, the PDF reader icon sits in the same folder as
my Downloads :-)

*******

To relate a funny story, this comes from yesterday.

On the Win10 Insider edition, I have a definite hate on,
for the Power option that causes the screen to go blank
after 10 minutes. The screen is set to go away after 10
minutes. This is the way Microsoft likes it.

Now, I've been customizing this since at least WinXP.
Setting it to 2 hours instead of 10 minutes. 2 hours
is *my* preferred value.

On Windows 10, every time a new OS comes in, it goes
back to 10 minutes.

On Windows 10, if a new graphics driver comes in
(back when Microsoft was experimenting with autopatching
video driver defects), the time would go back to 10 minutes.

So yesterday, my OS is set back to two hours the
way I like it. OK.

I run a "Power troubleshooter", from the Troubleshooter
Control Panel section. Not knowing that it is
going to "auto-fix" things I did not want auto-fixed!
I was hoping it would have an option to fix Hibernation.

And the funny part is

- the Troubleshooter finishes its run, saying it "fixed stuff"
- I look at the detailed report
- Report says "your screen blank time is too long, so we
fixed it".
- screen blank time is back to... 10 minutes.

As they say in BorgLand, Resistance is Feudal.

So even though the screen blank time is programmable
by the user, the correct answer is... 10 minutes. Grrr.

Paul
Is there a command line reference that would allow you to script
all these customizations? Seems that would make the problem
go away.

I see tutorials that describe how to fix one issue
with some arcane command line including a globally unique
identifier that references the customization.
Here's an example: GodMode.{ED7BA470-8E54-465E-825C-99712043E01C}

I've never been able to search for a customization and find the required
magic number.

At one time, there was a script creator that just tracked your
GUI interaction and could reproduce it at a later date.
Don't remember the name.

On 7/6/16 12:41 PM, Paul wrote:
As they say in BorgLand, Resistance is Feudal.


Uhhhh... It's "Resistance is futile." LOL

--
Ken
Mac OS X 10.8.5
Firefox 44.0
Thunderbird 38.0.1
"My brain is like lightning, a quick flash
and it's gone!"

Ken Springer wrote:
On 7/6/16 12:41 PM, Paul wrote:
As they say in BorgLand, Resistance is Feudal.


Uhhhh... It's "Resistance is futile." LOL


Not if you're a Serf.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom

Paul

On 07/05/2016 07:37 PM, SteveGG wrote:
From items mentioned in previous postings :

[1] The troublesome updating issue - I want to update, if and when,
and with what, I choose.

Maybe the solution, "workaroaund" but is , is to disable the
Windows Update service (together with Intelligent Background transfer
etc.) and JUST OCCASIONALLY switch it on to allow Windows make its updates,
in the time of your choice?


[2] M$ gathering my personal data. - This is the biggest issue IMHO !

[3] 2D FLUGLY (not 3D skeumorphic like 3.0 through 7)

[4] The 'Start Thing'

The BOOTLOADER looks like some jester JOKE!
Why is so HAEVY and WHAT DOES it accurately
before actually fetching the control to booted system
(please have in mind windows systems might be many on many different
partitions, of different versions)
w7's BCD was light and swift - WHATS WRONG WITH IT according to
Microsoft w10 developers?

[5] "The Metro" in general

[6] removal of features that were STANDARD in earlier releases
(like 7)

[7] removal of USER CUSTOMIZATION (so everyone has the same equally
MEDIOCRE 'experience')