Did I back up my Android phone correctly (copied phone + card tocomputer)

tlvp wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:40:05 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm coming at this from a Windows world, while (I think) you're coming at it
from an Android world. In my world, when I save/archive/backup something,
it's already in a format that I can use, or it's in a formatted container
that I can use.

Have you ever saved the .WRI files that MS Write produced back in the Win
3.1 days? Are they in a format you can use *today*? Mine aren't -- not a
single edition of Word or Wordpad or Write from those of the Win 95 era on
thru today's have the foggiest hint of a clue what to do for those files.

I'd welcome learning what you use to read/display or edit them today.

http://file.org/extension/wri might help with that.

In return for my favour, you tell me how to read/display my Gallery
files! :-) (Just kidding! I don't have any of those. I only have the
(MS-DOS) software somewhere on our attic.)

On 24 Nov 2014 20:24:02 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On 23 Nov 2014 21:12:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
[...]
In my world, the two start out exactly the same.

That's because you're not archiving, you just keep some stuff for some
time.

It sounds like you're playing with words,

It's anything *but* playing with words, which should be crystal clear
from my further comments which you (silently) snipped. (Why?)

Every now and then, I try to snip parts that have been settled, parts that
I'm not replying to, and parts that have become irrelevant. I'm lazier than
average, so I'm not consistent in that regard, but I try. If you think that
I've oversnipped , feel free to readdress your points.

Think about warehouses

Wait, I have no warehouses to think about.

full of unreadable media (for example tens of
thousands of magtapes with data of space agency projects), which are
worthless, because they have not been migrated to newer media/formats in
time.

I have no mag tapes and no unreadable data that I'm aware of. (Key point:
that I'm aware of.)

The examples are endless and gigantic amounts of 'data' - *any* kind
of data - are lost every day.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you were discussing the world at large. I
was using a much narrower scope.

But enough said. We all (three) know where we stand. If for you
*personally* "an archive is simply a backup that you keep longer", then
that's of course fine. But realize that's your personal opinion, instead
of fact-based science.

I've always realized that I was expressing my opinion. I think I've always
framed it that way, by using "for me" and "in my case", as examples.

--

Char Jackson

On 11/24/2014 12:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:12:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:36:45 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Besides, what is a "short-term format"?

Etch-a-sketch.

I was thinking of scratching the sand with a stick, which is then erased
when the next wave comes in, but your example is more practical. Not
everyone has access to a beach for their backups.

What with the proliferation of inexpensive digital photography
equipment, even these ephemera may not be sufficiently short-term for
true security.

--
Cheers, Bev
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Crowd: We are! We are!
Person in crowd: I'm not! -- Monty Python

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:24 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

On 11/24/2014 12:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:12:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:36:45 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Besides, what is a "short-term format"?

Etch-a-sketch.

I was thinking of scratching the sand with a stick, which is then erased
when the next wave comes in, but your example is more practical. Not
everyone has access to a beach for their backups.

What with the proliferation of inexpensive digital photography
equipment, even these ephemera may not be sufficiently short-term for
true security.

There was a story a long time ago in a science-fiction magazine in which
a beach goer in France realized that the guy making a drawing on the
sand was Picasso - and it was a lovely drawing! He ran to his little
cabin to grab his camera, but the tide got to the picture before he got
back.

Since there's nothing very science fictional about that tale, I have no
idea why it was in a SF magazine. Maybe I remember that aspect of it
wrong.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 24 Nov 2014 20:39:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote, re my solicitation:

... the .WRI files that MS Write produced back in the Win
3.1 days? Are they in a format you can use *today*? ...
... I'd welcome learning what you use to read/display or edit them today.

http://file.org/extension/wri might help with that.

Interesting, thanks. Actually, Notepad, Wordpad, and Word can all *open*
those files ... but all mangle their layout quite badly, and saving into
other formats (rtf, doc, docx, txt) just makes that mangling permanent.

('Mangling' meaning: subscripts and superscripts are especially badly
displayed, and tab stops and margin settings are badly misunderstood.)

Old Win31 write.exe can of course convert/save its .wri files to .rtf files
but it may make more sense to print them to pdf -- or to PostScript, and
then distill that to pdf :-) . Embedding all fonts of course, just in case.

In return for my favour, you tell me how to read/display my Gallery
files! :-) (Just kidding! I don't have any of those. I only have the
(MS-DOS) software somewhere on our attic.)

Sorry, this keemo no sabe what are theez "Gallery files" you speak of.
But Google does suggest (and I pass it along only most reluctantly):
http://www.file-extensions.org/gallery-file-extension. Cave canem :-) !

Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:23:48 -0800, Gene E. Bloch responded to:

Or math doodles in damp beach sand at low tide. Cheers, -- tlvp

OK, I was laughed out by the time I got here, but you also have scored a
truly positive contribution to the thread.

Many thanks :-) .

I saw your apology to Char, but I don't think you needed to do so ...

I think it may have been Chamberlain who, giving advice to an apprentice
diplomat, included the suggestion never to pass up an opportunity to use a
loo if a loo happened to be on one's way anyway, as one never quite knows
whether one will find one easily when one is really under duress.

I've simply extended that principle to apologies -- it never hurts to offer
one whenever, and it may obviate the need to offer one under duress :-) .

- as
you said, great minds...I have also been similarly caught in the time
warp of Usenet, so I know that happens.

+1. Cheers (and Opa!), -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:10:36 -0000, Char Jackson wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 14:27:39 -0500, tlvp
wrote:

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 11:40:05 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

I'm coming at this from a Windows world, while (I think) you're coming
at it
from an Android world. In my world, when I save/archive/backup
something,
it's already in a format that I can use, or it's in a formatted
container
that I can use.

Have you ever saved the .WRI files that MS Write produced back in the
Win
3.1 days? Are they in a format you can use *today*? Mine aren't -- not a
single edition of Word or Wordpad or Write from those of the Win 95 era
on
thru today's have the foggiest hint of a clue what to do for those
files.

I'd welcome learning what you use to read/display or edit them today.

Apologies, I've never seen or used MS Write.


Do you have the resources available to recreate an environment where MS
Write would run? Presuming, of course, that you could then choose an
output
format that has better stood the test of time.

"Wordpad" opened mine from 1998 immediately.

(well off-topic for the android group)

--
Bah, and indeed, Humbug

tlvp wrote:
On 24 Nov 2014 20:39:12 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote, re my solicitation:
[...]
In return for my favour, you tell me how to read/display my Gallery
files! :-) (Just kidding! I don't have any of those. I only have the
(MS-DOS) software somewhere on our attic.)

Sorry, this keemo no sabe what are theez "Gallery files" you speak of.
But Google does suggest (and I pass it along only most reluctantly):
http://www.file-extensions.org/gallery-file-extension. Cave canem :-) !

Thanks! The files I'm referring to are 'Gallery files' (i.e. like
'Powerpoint files'), but the extension isn't .gallery (couldn't be in
MS-DOS). But thanks anyway for the pointer to the File-Extensions.org
site, one can't have too many of these kinds of reference sites.

On Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:47:57 -0000, Kerr Mudd-John wrote, of a .wri file:

"Wordpad" opened mine from 1998 immediately.

Well, sure. But did Wordpad *display* it correctly, as regards its
formatting :-) ? (No assurance it always will, I fear.) Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

On 25 Nov 2014 21:19:33 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote,

http://www.file-extensions.org/gallery-file-extension. Cave canem :-) !

... But thanks anyway for the pointer to the File-Extensions.org
site, one can't have too many of these kinds of reference sites.

YVW. Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:29:16 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

On 11/24/2014 06:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:24 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:

On 11/24/2014 12:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:12:42 -0800, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:36:45 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Besides, what is a "short-term format"?

Etch-a-sketch.

I was thinking of scratching the sand with a stick, which is then erased
when the next wave comes in, but your example is more practical. Not
everyone has access to a beach for their backups.

What with the proliferation of inexpensive digital photography
equipment, even these ephemera may not be sufficiently short-term for
true security.

There was a story a long time ago in a science-fiction magazine in which
a beach goer in France realized that the guy making a drawing on the
sand was Picasso - and it was a lovely drawing! He ran to his little
cabin to grab his camera, but the tide got to the picture before he got
back.

I remember that. Possibly Ray Bradbury. He realized he wouldn't have
time to get his camera, so he just looked.

Since there's nothing very science fictional about that tale, I have no
idea why it was in a SF magazine. Maybe I remember that aspect of it
wrong.

Only a little. Bradbury's stories are lovely and sad.

With Bradbury as the author, it's easy to understand the venue :-)

Thanks for the amplification and the correction.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 11/25/2014 02:51 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 20:29:16 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/24/2014 06:04 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Mon, 24 Nov 2014 15:37:24 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
On 11/24/2014 12:12 AM, Char Jackson wrote:
"Gene E. Bloch" wrote:
On Sun, 23 Nov 2014 11:36:45 -0600, Char Jackson wrote:

Besides, what is a "short-term format"?

Etch-a-sketch.

I was thinking of scratching the sand with a stick, which is then erased
when the next wave comes in, but your example is more practical. Not
everyone has access to a beach for their backups.

What with the proliferation of inexpensive digital photography
equipment, even these ephemera may not be sufficiently short-term for
true security.

There was a story a long time ago in a science-fiction magazine in which
a beach goer in France realized that the guy making a drawing on the
sand was Picasso - and it was a lovely drawing! He ran to his little
cabin to grab his camera, but the tide got to the picture before he got
back.

I remember that. Possibly Ray Bradbury. He realized he wouldn't have
time to get his camera, so he just looked.

Since there's nothing very science fictional about that tale, I have no
idea why it was in a SF magazine. Maybe I remember that aspect of it
wrong.

Only a little. Bradbury's stories are lovely and sad.

With Bradbury as the author, it's easy to understand the venue :-)

Thanks for the amplification and the correction.

I just looked it up. It's in the "Medicine for Melancholy" collection.

--
Cheers, Bev
"It's important to never be arrogant. Especially if you're one
of the little people whose opinion doesn't matter." --Rat

In a Season of Calm Weather

That was (is) the title. It was also made into a film , I think The
Picasso Summer, with Albert Finney - Ray wrote the screenplay but under a
pseudonym. I saw it not long ago which is why I remember.

On 27/11/2014 03:44, Johnbee wrote:
In a Season of Calm Weather

That was (is) the title.



What title?

Anymore homosapien killed in Ferguson, Missouri? They were doing some
experiments for eBola virus so wondered if anything else has happened.

I thought the best way to get rid of rodents cheaply is to put some
tasty food in packages laced with concentrated rat poison which the
homosapien can help themselves like they have done for the past 48 hours
and then we can see how fast the poison gets into the blood stream.
That is how eBola spreads.

On Thu, 27 Nov 2014 03:44:50 -0000, Johnbee wrote:

In a Season of Calm Weather

That was (is) the title. It was also made into a film , I think The
Picasso Summer, with Albert Finney - Ray wrote the screenplay but under a
pseudonym. I saw it not long ago which is why I remember.

Thanks.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)