EDGE browser

Is that it or am I missing something?
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Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

There are two browsers. Edge and Internet Explorer.

You may also find, on an x64 OS setup, two program
files folders, one having a 32 bit version of
iexplore.exe and the other having a 64 bit version
of iexplore.exe. The difference between them,
might be some interaction with plugins or addons.
But since I don't regularly use either browser
(and Edge only recently received Addons in the
Windows Store), I can't claim to have tested
either of these browser choices.

No, there is no AdBlock for Edge...

You can install any other browser you want.

The "E" in the Task Bar is Edge. To get to
Internet Explorer, you will have to use
your ingenuity (you must be Kreskin to
figure it out). I'm not afraid to admit
having to rummage around some folders
on C: , to launch stuff - that happens
when I get frustrated trying to find
what they did with the "deck chairs".

Paul

No, it's a POS. Like Windows Mail.

"Jim_S" wrote in message ...

Is that it or am I missing something?
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 20:27:45 +0100, Jim_S wrote:

Is that it or am I missing something?


Is that *what*?

Do you mean do you have to use Edge? No you don't; there are many
other choices--Internet Explorer which also comes with Windows 10, and
several free third-party others. As far as I'm concerned, Edge is a
terrible choice, Internet Explorer is a little better, but still not
great, and almost all the third-party choices are better than either.
My personal favorite is Firefox.

On 14/04/2016 20:27, Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

why don't you start using Windows 10 to find it out?

You really need to learn how to ask questions properly so that people
can answer them.



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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 15:35:42 -0400, Paul wrote:

Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

There are two browsers. Edge and Internet Explorer.

You may also find, on an x64 OS setup, two program
files folders, one having a 32 bit version of
iexplore.exe and the other having a 64 bit version
of iexplore.exe. The difference between them,
might be some interaction with plugins or addons.
But since I don't regularly use either browser
(and Edge only recently received Addons in the
Windows Store), I can't claim to have tested
either of these browser choices.

No, there is no AdBlock for Edge...

You can install any other browser you want.

The "E" in the Task Bar is Edge. To get to
Internet Explorer, you will have to use
your ingenuity (you must be Kreskin to
figure it out). I'm not afraid to admit
having to rummage around some folders
on C: , to launch stuff - that happens
when I get frustrated trying to find
what they did with the "deck chairs".

Paul

Thanks Paul, I guess I knew all that, but was/am puzzled why M$ have
released such a 'basic' browser. With all it's faults IE is infinitely
better, not to mention probably every other browser and IE 'shell'
available.
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On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:22:20 +0100, Good Guy wrote:

On 14/04/2016 20:27, Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

why don't you start using Windows 10 to find it out?

You really need to learn how to ask questions properly so that people
can answer them.

I do use Windows 10 and refer you to my answer to Paul.
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:25:28 +0100, Jim_S wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:22:20 +0100, Good Guy wrote:

On 14/04/2016 20:27, Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

why don't you start using Windows 10 to find it out?

You really need to learn how to ask questions properly so that people
can answer them.

I do use Windows 10 and refer you to my answer to Paul.

Recently I saw a news article that a major update is coming for
Windows 10. This is to be released on the first anniversary of Windows
10. One of the updates that article mentioned is a major revision of
Edge. I'm with the person who wondered why Microsoft released Edge
when it is obviously not finished and not ready for prime time. We'll
see what happens with the update, maybe Edge will become a good
choice.

Jim_S wrote:


Thanks Paul, I guess I knew all that, but was/am puzzled why M$ have
released such a 'basic' browser. With all it's faults IE is infinitely
better, not to mention probably every other browser and IE 'shell'
available.

I'm not sure I can paint a picture of
why Edge is needed... Maybe they thought
Microsoft Edge competes with Google Chrome ?

Not supporting ActiveX and BHOs is a security plus.
That's a good thing. If a user wants to visit the
catalog server at Microsoft (which uses ActiveX),
they'll need to uncork a copy of IE11.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_edge

"It does not support ActiveX, Browser Helper Objects,
or Unity Web Player but adds new features such as
integration with Cortana...

Extension support [such as it is] was added in March 2016"

You can count on the extensions to not be user-centric.
If you were expecting a Store-served extension to block
ads, forget about it. Any extensions will be fluff,
like "getting Edge to order you a pizza". This is the
extension list in the App Store this morning. The first
one would compete with translate.google.com .

Microsoft translator
Translate foreign language pages for 50+ languages

Reddit Enhancement Suite

Mouse Gestures

OneNote Clipper by onenote.com

Pin It Button by pinterest.com

And if they had called it Internet Explorer 12,
would anyone have noticed ? They would have if
ActiveX didn't work. Or if certain pages
on the Microsoft site no longer worked with
the browser. So I guess that's a good excuse
to give it a new name.

Paul

| Is that it or am I missing something?


IE is Edge, but there are also critical differences.
Edge is a gutted version of IE. It's marketed as a
whole new browser but it's actually just the IE core
with much of what makes it IE removed. See here
for a list of what's broken:

https://blogs.windows.com/msedgedev/...t-attachevent/


Edge is an attempt to finally switch to a standards-
compliant browser. Microsoft has been sort of claiming
to do that ever since IE7 or 8, but it's never quite there.

It's never a good idea to use any MS browser online
if you don't have to. They're just too closely tied into
the operating system to be safe. It's a very poor design
that dates to a different era. (IE is amazingly good for
writing webpage-based utilities to run on the Desktop.
It's just not fit for going online.)

IE11:

Starting with IE11 they've broken compatibility with
their own technology, such as VBScript, ActiveX and
the IE scripting object model. It's all still there, but in
IE11 it's off by default, which breaks a lot of sites. MS
even faked the userAgent string with IE11. What that
means is that IE11 pretends to be Firefox. But it's not
Firefox, so that can create problems.

If you want to use IE11 and sites don't work, you
can set compatibility mode by domain. In IE11, first press
Alt to make the menu bar visible. Then click Tools -
Compatibility View Settings and add the domain in
question. That will cause IE11 to enable all the IE
features for that domain and it will send a userAgent
telling the website that it's IE7.

Edge:

The difference with Edge is that it's still basically
IE but there's no longer a compatibility mode. It's just
plain broken.

History:

The big strength of IE, despite it's insecurity, has
always been the IE-only features like ActiveX, VBS,
BHOs, etc. IE beat out Netscape because it was
native to Windows, but also because it had far more
functionality. Netscape had javascript to make
webpages interactive. It was safe, like an extension
of HTML. Microsoft took that and extended it to use
COM, and invented ActiveX to go with it. That
essentially turned script into a Windows programming
language and browsers have been unsafe ever since.
But it also gave IE temendous power and flexibility.
Nearly anything that could be done in software could
be done in an IE window.

Since the early days, corporate Windows
users have depended on IE for writing in-house
utilities (using ActiveX controls in webpages to write
a kind of software) and controlling the online experience
of employees. IE allows for extensive control, through
the Registry, over what people can do, so corporate
admins were able to set up IE for employees in a very
detailed way. The old AOL browser was the same idea:
A version of IE that took advantage of the extensive
customizability and restrictions that could be applied
to IE by anyone who knew how to do it.

(Actually the Firefox about:config prefs are the same
thing. They were invented to allow corporate admins
to control employee browsers. They were never meant
to provide functionality for the end-user. That's why both
IE Registry settings and Mozilla prefs are so horrendously
designed: They're meant to be very difficult to find,
understand and use, so that corporate employees
would be kept in the dark about browser functionality.)

A lot of companies still depend on IE for ActiveX,
HTA, etc. And IE is intimately tied to Explorer. So it's
not easy for MS to break it. That's why MS has been
so slow to actually change IE to accord with standards.
That's also why IE11 is alongside Edge: Companies
won't use Win10 if their IE utilities break.

What MS have done has been to creep slowly toward
standards while leaving the old IE in place. It's very
much a two-headed creature. Each version
of IE has had a "quirks mode", allowing webmasters to
write pages for either a current version of IE or the old
version. MS has had one foot in each of two boats
and haven't dare to fully step into either.

With IE11 Microsoft broke quirks mode for online
webpages. With Edge they've removed the ability to
operate like the old IE. It's Microsoft finally stepping
into one boat; the web services boat, which they hope
will make up for what they're giving up by stepping out
of the old Windows boat. As a Win10/IE11/Edge user,
you're the guinea pig.

| I'm not sure I can paint a picture of
| why Edge is needed...

IE was created to cut off Netscape's air supply
and own the Web. Edge was created to cut off
your Internet supply and funnel you into services
Well, sort of. See my other post. MS has
a lot of baggage that they can't easily drop, so it's
not a clear-cut situation. But one thing is certain:
They want Win10 to be the beginning of Windows
as a service. (Even Winston agrees with that.

They can't be dragging you by the nose to the
Windows Store while simultaneously giving you a
browser that allows you to use services from any
old cloud. For Windows services to truly work MS
needs to do two things: Break software and break
the Internet. They're hard at work breaking
software, making good progress with Metro.
IE was always designed to break the Internet for
anything but IE. And it did that pretty well for a long
time. There are still many sites that only work in IE.
But now IE has lost the crown and the goal posts have
moved. The main reason for MS to have a browser
now is not to middleman the Internet but rather
to constrict access to the Internet. Expect them to
be finding little, sneaky ways that Edge will make the
Windows Store convenient and the Internet a hassle.

On 15/04/2016 10:25, Jim_S wrote:
I do use Windows 10 and refer you to my answer to Paul.


Who the **** is Paul? I don't see any posts from Paul here. I don't
bother with Linux newsgroups in my machine.

Microsoft Edge is one of the best browsers around these days. Even
Bootstrap has decided to make Edge as a main browser to write CSS code for.

I can view Live TVs (BBC and CNN) better in Edge than in any other
browsers on my machine. I have FF, IE and Edge and Edge comes out on top.

What people don't understand or didn't know is that Edge was already in
Windows 8.1 except that it was only available when someone decided to
read News from the Store App. The screen wasn't pretty so people didn't
use it but in Windows 10 it is a full blown browser and likely to become
better in July this year when a major upgrade to Windows 10 is released.



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Jim_S posted this via
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Is that it or am I missing something?

"Out of the box" it's just the default. You can change the default[s].

Start Settings System Default apps Web Browser

You can also install Firefox and Windows 10 will add that to the list of
available selectons.

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2016 10:25:28 +0100, Jim_S wrote:

On Thu, 14 Apr 2016 22:22:20 +0100, Good Guy wrote:

On 14/04/2016 20:27, Jim_S wrote:
Is that it or am I missing something?

why don't you start using Windows 10 to find it out?

You really need to learn how to ask questions properly so that people
can answer them.

I do use Windows 10 and refer you to my answer to Paul.

Recently I saw a news article that a major update is coming for
Windows 10. This is to be released on the first anniversary of Windows
10. One of the updates that article mentioned is a major revision of
Edge. I'm with the person who wondered why Microsoft released Edge
when it is obviously not finished and not ready for prime time. We'll
see what happens with the update, maybe Edge will become a good
choice.

Yep! They might make it IE or Firefox! (-;

My guess is that it was intended to be a more efficient app-type browser to
use on mobile devices. Somewhere along the convoluted line it became the
default on all releases of Windows 10. Perhaps the gurus and geniuses at
the Microsoft shop just wanted to show it off as another option? Then the
next butt-licker on the chain decided if that were so, it would be even
better to make it the "recommended" default... Whoo nose?

At least we have options - once we figger out how to get to 'em.

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On 04/14/2016 02:35 PM, Paul wrote:

`[snip]

The "E" in the Task Bar is Edge. To get to
Internet Explorer, you will have to use
your ingenuity (you must be Kreskin to
figure it out).

IE is not in the stat menu by default. Type "internet" in the "search
the web and Windows" (bad combination, local stuff should NOT be mixed
with the web) box. Then, you can right-click and select "pin to
taskbar". The MSIE icon is a lighter blue and had some gold on it. Not
too easily confused with the edge icon when you can see both.

I'm not afraid to admit
having to rummage around some folders
on C: , to launch stuff - that happens
when I get frustrated trying to find
what they did with the "deck chairs".

Paul


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