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In message , Mayayana
writes: "wasbit" wrote | Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish | - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists | "JavaScript is currently disabled in your browser. You must have JavaScript enabled to take full advantage of Box." You might consider putting your downloads behind a real download link rather than a scripted "document" service. I get the same thing with Google docs. The URLs don't go to webpages. They just go to script. And I'm expected to let them basically run software on my computer, when all I want to do is read some text. Thanks for the warning - I won't even bother trying the link, as it almost certainly won't work in my preferred browser. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Mike Jackson |\ _,,,---,,_ and Squeak /,`.-'`' -. ;-;;,_ Shame there's no snooze button [1998] |,4- ) )-,_..;\ ( `'- on a cat who wants breakfast zzz '---''(_/--' `-'\_) |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 15:36:10 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
wrote: In message , Mayayana writes: "Big Al" wrote | Have you tried either GIMP or Photoshop CS2? The latter is free now, | | cs2 is *not* free. | | it's available for those with existing licenses. | | So much the better then since I've stopped using it. I say 'so much | the better' meaning I'm not violating anything. | That's an interesting situation. They posted all of their v. C2 programs with keys and a notice that use of them was only valid if they were obtained from Adobe. Check. But apparently they didn't expect that a lot of people would be content to use an old version rather than buy new. (I'm guessing it was originally intended as a way to dump support for their old customers while also releasing a teaser demo to get new customers. It backfired.) I don't suppose we'll ever know if it backfired (or what their intentions really were). So later they posted a notice that the software and keys were only for people with existing licenses and I think they required personal info. Why would they offer a When I heard about it - I think someone posted about it, probably in the XP 'group - I went and got it (about three CD images, IIRR), though never having bought the software, and I don't _think_ I remember being asked for such info - certainly nothing I wasn't able to give at the time, and I haven't been bombarded since. (I think there may have been _one_ "would you like to update" email, but I'm not even sure of that.) FWIW, I've never actually installed the SW. There _was_ at the time I downloaded some statement that it _was_ only for people who'd bought it. download if the keys were only for people who already had the software? Their patch-up on the situation made no sense. So... If you downloaded it from an unrestricted link then it's perfectly legal. On the other hand, Adobe has a lot more money and lawyers than you do... So your legal rights don't mean much. Agreed. [] Often the answer people give is IrfanView, but while I consider IV to be arguably the best-written program I've Agreed - it continues to amaze and delight me. ever seen, you just can't edit photos without a UI workspace, layers, and multiple undo. IV just isn't designed for that use. Agreed again, at least the multiple undo. And yes, it really is a pixel editor - no layers or non-pixel features. (I've often wondered why he doesn't add at least the multiple undo.) Though I use it for everything else. For basic image viewing and resaving as a different format I use IV. Me too. But once I need to crop, paste, or even just add a little text, IS is too much trouble. Much of that is possible in IV. It's just not convenient. So it's nice to have a real editor as well. You might disagree that it's a "real" editor, but for editing photos, I use the editor that comes with Windows 10 (I forgot what it's called). I'm sure there are several better choices, but that one is easy to use and does everything I ever want to do: cropping, rotating, making lighter or darker, adjusting the contrast, adjusting the color. It's not for everyone, but it's fine for me, |
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"Wolf K" wrote
| The odd thing is that a line | is one of the easiest operations to program. | | Do you mean a straight line? Or a randomly wandering line? It's the | latter I want. Like it's done on a drawing tablet. | I mean a straight line. The pencil and brush tools will do a random line. Personally I don't find that useful because a mouse or trackball just isn't precise enough. It wiggles. |
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"J. P. Gilliver (John)" wrote
| When I heard about it - I think someone posted about it, probably in the | XP 'group - I went and got it (about three CD images, IIRR), though | never having bought the software, and I don't _think_ I remember being | asked for such info - certainly nothing I wasn't able to give at the | time, and I haven't been bombarded since. (I think there may have been | _one_ "would you like to update" email, but I'm not even sure of that.) | FWIW, I've never actually installed the SW. There _was_ at the time I | downloaded some statement that it _was_ only for people who'd bought it. | It sounds like you downloaded later, after they required that you "register". When I saw it I checked it all out and there were no restrictions. The terms said it could only be used if it were obtained from Adobe. In other words, no redistribution allowed. That was it. There was no registration. No email address required. Just download links and keys. So the later change was like mechanic's example: They gave away free cars and then later issued a disclaimer saying that it's only free to people who've already paid for it. That's why I concluded that the whole thing was a marketing ploy gone bad. I wouldn't expect Adobe to care about old customers who'd lost their keys. They can call up in that case to get a new key, if they'd registered. And I have no reason to think there's any kind-heartedness going on within Adobe's walls. As Bill Gates said about the Chinese: "If they're going to steal software I want them to at least steal our software. We'll get them to pay later." I have a brother who got PS4 with a scanner and then went to buy the PS5 update. They refused him because he had entered the company he worked for when he'd registered. They took that to mean the software belonged to the company and not him. Even though the company, of course, hadn't bought an update with that particular key. He ended up having to get a letter from his former boss, saying the software was his, before they'd let him buy the update. Their whole attitude was petty, greedy and entirely unjustified. He had registered the product in his name. (There' a lesson the Never, ever, enter a company name if you register software.) |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: | | Do you mean a straight line? Or a randomly wandering line? It's the | latter I want. Like it's done on a drawing tablet. I mean a straight line. The pencil and brush tools will do a random line. Personally I don't find that useful because a mouse or trackball just isn't precise enough. It wiggles. both can do a straight line. click at the startpoint and with shift key down, click at the endpoint. it's also not unique to the gimp. |
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In article , Mayayana
wrote: That's why I concluded that the whole thing was a marketing ploy gone bad. it wasn't. I wouldn't expect Adobe to care about old customers who'd lost their keys. except that by releasing a key, they were supporting old customers who might have needed to reinstall it at some point. They can call up in that case to get a new key, if they'd registered. except that the activation servers were offline, so no. |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 11:20:18 -0000, "wasbit"
wrote: "Mayayana" wrote in message ... The question of photo editors comes up often. I don't remember whether this one ever got mentioned. I came across the code awhile back. It's written in VB6. The code is freely available. The program seems to work nicely and does much of what a full editor can do, including "effects" plugins. Yet it's only 52 MB installed. Disadvantages: * No help file. * A curious oversight in terms of functionality. There's no line or shape tool! (At least I can't find them.) * A kiddie-style, Metro-esque UI that takes up too much space. But it has a full stock of filters, color adjustment, layer functionality, etc. There's not much missing that you'd get in Photoshop for a very steep price, in a spyware package, with a rental model, and a wildly bloated installation. The lack of line and shape tools is odd. I use those regularly and in terms of code they're much easier than creating effects like "oil painting" or "windblown". But for someone who only wants to work on photos without doing graphics, Photo Demon looks like a very good choice. https://photodemon.org/ Not trying to be in competition with another poster in this thread ....... My freeware photo/image lists: Photo/Image 2 Convert/Edit (approx 400) Photo/Image 3 Resize, Thumbnails (approx 200) Photo/Image 4 Viewer, Album, Manage (approx 200) 1 Various 5 Colour ; 6 Exif/Tag ; 7 File Specific Photo Manipulation Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists I was going to recommend your lists ( bookmarked) but the host seems to be blocking various privacy protections. I remember that in the olde days you had an alternate site with a link to a zip of all your files. Can't remember where it was. Is it gone ? TIA []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 11:20:49 -0600, Jean Fredette
wrote: Shadow posted: I was going to recommend your lists ( bookmarked) but the host seems to be blocking various privacy protections. I remember that in the olde days you had an alternate site with a link to a zip of all your files. Can't remember where it was. Is it gone ? Help me. What good free respected editor/viewer is missing from this (65 updated) list? apowerrec https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen artweaver https://www.artweaver.de/en/download/artweaverfree audacity http://www.audacityteam.org/download/windows/ avicodec http://avicodec.free.fr/ avidemux https://sourceforge.net/projects/avi...atest/download avisynth http://avisynth.nl/index.php/Main_Page blender https://www.blender.org/ camstudio https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html cartoonist http://www.vicman.net/cartoonist/ codecinstaller http://www.jockersoft.com/downloads/...aller_full.exe cole2kcodecs http://www.cole2k.net/ cs2 https://www.techspot.com/downloads/4...uite-free.html cutescreenrec http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm debutvideocapture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html draftsight https://www.3ds.com/products-service...free-download/ dvdvideosoft https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/product...o-Recorder.htm ezvid https://www.ezvid.com faststone http://www.faststone.org/FSViewerDownload.htm ffmpeg/lame https://lame.buanzo.org/ fotor https://www.fotor.com/windows/index.html fotosketcher http://fotosketcher.com/download-fotosketcher/ foxit https://www.foxitsoftware.com/pdf-reader/ freecadweb https://www.freecadweb.org/ gfie http://www.greenfishsoftware.org/gfie.php ghostscript https://www.ghostscript.com/download/gsdnld.html gimp https://download.gimp.org/mirror/pub/gimp/v2.4/windows/ greenshot http://getgreenshot.org/downloads/ gspot http://gspot.headbands.com/ handbrake https://handbrake.fr/ icofx https://www.icofx.ro/downloads.html id3tageditor http://id3tageditor.com/ imagemagick https://imagemagick.org/script/download.php inkscape https://inkscape.org/release/0.92.3/windows/ irfanview https://www.fosshub.com/IrfanView.html ispring https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam jsprep http://www.jsware.net/jsware/pprep.php5 klitecodecs http://www.codecguide.com/download_k..._pack_full.htm krita https://krita.org/en/post-download-page/ mediainfo https://sourceforge.net/projects/med...atest/download mpc http://www.codecguide.com/download_kl.htm mupdf https://www.ghostscript.com/download/mupdfdnld.html oxelon http://www.oxelon.com/media_converter.html paintnet https://www.getpaint.net/download.html paintstar https://sites.google.com/site/wangzhenzhou/ pdfcreator http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ pdfexchangeviewer https://www.neowin.net/news/pdf-xcha...-25-build-2142 pdfsam https://pdfsam.org pdftk https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/ photodemon https://github.com/tannerhelland/PhotoDemon photopad https://www.nchsoftware.com/photoeditor/ photoscape http://www.photoscape.org/ps/main/download.php phototoolkit http://www.vicman.net/phototoolkit/index.htm photowipe http://www.hanovsolutions.com/index....tall=PhotoWipe picolay http://www.picolay.de/ pinta https://pinta-project.com/pintaproject/pinta/releases posterazor https://sourceforge.net/projects/posterazor/ psp5 http://www.oldversion.com/windows/do...-shop-pro-5-01 shotcut https://www.shotcutapp.com/download/ sketchup https://www.sketchup.com/ sumatra https://www.sumatrapdfreader.org/dow...df-viewer.html super http://www.videohelp.com/tools/SUPER/old-versions videoinspector https://kcsoftwares.com/files/videoinspector_lite.exe virtualdub https://sourceforge.net/projects/vir...irtualdub-win/ vlc https://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-windows.php xpdf http://www.foolabs.com/xpdf/ That's probably just about complete. Missing some screen-capture utils, but they are not all editors. []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 01/01/2019 15:38, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Mayayana writes: "wasbit" wrote | Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish | - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists | "JavaScript is currently disabled in your browser. You must have JavaScript enabled to take full advantage of Box." Â*You might consider putting your downloads behind a real download link rather than a scripted "document" service. I get the same thing with Google docs. The URLs don't go to webpages. They just go to script. And I'm expected to let them basically run software on my computer, when all I want to do is read some text. Thanks for the warning - I won't even bother trying the link, as it almost certainly won't work in my preferred browser. It works just fine for me. :-) Is there something about the link which I should be bothered about? AFAICT, 'wasbit' has collected and shared the information for the benefit of his fellows around the globe. All credit to him, IMO! :-) -- David B. |
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On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 11:01:00 -0500, Wolf K
wrote: Do you mean a straight line? Or a randomly wandering line? It's the latter I want. Like it's done on a drawing tablet. Irfanview should do. Is one of the most popular photo editors in germany. It`s free. |
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On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 18:41:49 +0000, "David B." "David
wrote: On 01/01/2019 15:38, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Mayayana writes: "wasbit" wrote | Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish | - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists | "JavaScript is currently disabled in your browser. You must have JavaScript enabled to take full advantage of Box." *You might consider putting your downloads behind a real download link rather than a scripted "document" service. I get the same thing with Google docs. The URLs don't go to webpages. They just go to script. And I'm expected to let them basically run software on my computer, when all I want to do is read some text. Thanks for the warning - I won't even bother trying the link, as it almost certainly won't work in my preferred browser. It works just fine for me. :-) Is there something about the link which I should be bothered about? It's explained above. You appear to be using an insecure Browser. Since you didn't bother to read the post, a "special prize" goes to who guesses what BD's next contribution is on the subject of "Photo Editors". This might help: https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php []'s -- Don't be evil - Google 2004 We have a new policy - Google 2012 |
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On 02/01/2019 19:09, Shadow wrote:
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019 18:41:49 +0000, "David B." "David wrote: On 01/01/2019 15:38, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , Mayayana writes: "wasbit" wrote | Over 200 lists of freeware. Yours to do with as you wish | - http://www.box.net/wasbitlists | "JavaScript is currently disabled in your browser. You must have JavaScript enabled to take full advantage of Box." Â*You might consider putting your downloads behind a real download link rather than a scripted "document" service. I get the same thing with Google docs. The URLs don't go to webpages. They just go to script. And I'm expected to let them basically run software on my computer, when all I want to do is read some text. Thanks for the warning - I won't even bother trying the link, as it almost certainly won't work in my preferred browser. It works just fine for me. :-) Is there something about the link which I should be bothered about? It's explained above. You appear to be using an insecure Browser. There's no safer browser than Safari. https://sitecheck.sucuri.net/results.../v/wasbitlists There are only three javascripts listed on 'wasbit's' website. Virus Total gives a clean bill of health too! https://www.virustotal.com/#/url/a0d...c1a6/detection -- David B. |
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Shadow posted:
Missing some screen-capture utils, but they are not all editors. Thanks for reviewing the list which is what I've used over the years. That was a concatenation of a list of lists but not all my lists of lists. Those 65 best free image editors, video editors, audio editors, pdf editors, codecs, codec analyzers, and media players are just those that I've used and liked for myself. Some are hard to find nowadays like the free sketchup which died around late 2017 or super which died even longer ago for utility. For screenshot capture, I left greenshot in the list of 65 but I didn't put all screenshot capture utils in that list, where as one example, I used to use printkey-2000 but it doesn't always work lately. printkey-2000 https://softfamous.com/printkey-2000/ Same with the many screen video recorders, most of which don't really work. apowerrec https://www.apowersoft.com/record-all-screen camstudio https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/camstudio.html cutescreenrec http://www.videotool.net/screen-reco...ee-version.htm debutvideocapture https://www.nchsoftware.com/capture/index.html dvdvideosoft https://www.dvdvideosoft.com/product...o-Recorder.htm ezvid https://www.ezvid.com flashbackexpress https://www.flashbackrecorder.com/express/ gamedvr https://github.com/FunkyFr3sh/GameDVR_Config/releases gilisoft http://www.gilisoft.com/free-screen-recorder.htm goplay http://dl.goplayeditor.com/desktop/goplay_editor.exe icecream https://icecreamapps.com/Download-Screen-Recorder/ ispring https://www.ispringsolutions.com/ispring-free-cam mangotinytake https://tinytake.com/tinytake-download obsstudio https://cdn-fastly.obsproject.com/do...taller-x64.exe screencastomatic https://screencast-o-matic.com/screen-recorder sharex https://github.com/ShareX/ShareX/releases/tag/v12.3.1 Most of those do not work despite whatever they claim to claim. I only put in the list the utils I tried that I thought worked ok for me. Alls I would want to know is what's missing that works ok for you. |
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"David B." "David wrote
| There are only three javascripts listed on 'wasbit's' website. | What the heck does that mean? The entire webpage is script. It links to several external scripts. There's no way to know what happens from there. It probably links to external trackers and ads once the script runs. One of the biggest malware risks these days is from malware makers who buy ad space to get into your browser. *The entire page is nothing but script, except for the warning that says the page won't work without script.* That's not exaggeration. There's actually no content in that webpage. It's just an unknown software program that will do unknown things and share your data with unknown others if you let the script run. "I'm not worried", said Private Swifty. "There are only 2 machine guns and a flamethrower aimed at me. How much harm can they do?" With that, he stepped out of the bunker. There's no reason that anyone should routinely have to enable script just to download files or read text. If you want to do online banking or buy stuff then, yes, it requires script. The Box, inc. privacy policy pretty says they'll spy on you any way they can. They'll collect your social media info if you give them a chance. The don't respect Do Not Track. They do use Flash cookies. It also mentions Google adsense. Since there are no ads evident in the original page script it has to be assumed that the page script then calls in numerous other scripts when it loads. (The privacy policy is readable without script by disabling CSS. But they do try to block that functionality. In other words, they've specifically tried to break a palin text webpage so that you can't read it unless you let them run scripts. Nice people, huh?.) That privacy policy page calls in Google, Adobe, optimizely.com, truste (the people who pretend to protect privacy online with impressive gold medallions that look like Good Housekeeping seals), as well as two new entries for my HOSTS file domain blocking: marketo.net and nr-data.net Why should anyone put up with such risks and intrusions just to download a file? There are clean hosting sites. And for anyone just arriving from 1980, they should know that they can have their own domain and web space for a very small cost. They don't need to use sleazy, spyware, web services. |
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