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Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field.
Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93. I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets. (So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel) This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is, not changing line breaks. I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the text back to the left. Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening and how I reverse it when it does happen? (Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3 places.) (Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have, never really doing anything it wasnt' designed to do (with one small exception) , and Eudora works very well too except for sometimes saying Not Responding (or something similar) when I have too many tabs open in Firefox.) |
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micky wrote:
Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by prefixing a quoting character the quoted content in your reply. Took me awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if anything, you added in your reply instead of just duplicating the original post. Your reply content is at the same quotation indentation as the original message. In fact, why would your newsreader even prefix your reply content with quoting characters ("")? And why is your response in parenthesis? Something is screwed up in that old free version of Forte Agent or how you use or configured it. Look at your reply to Gonzo. Yikes. |
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:06:45 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote: micky wrote: Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by prefixing a quoting character the quoted content in your reply. Took me awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if anything, you added in your reply instead of just duplicating the original post. Your reply content is at the same quotation indentation as the original message. In fact, why would your newsreader even prefix your reply content with quoting characters ("")? Because I quoted his whole post. I only did that because I noticed the T was missing from Agent so I thought I'd help him out by reposting with the T added. I could have said Nothing Added, and I hope I will do that next time I do this. And why is your response in parenthesis? It is? Something is screwed up in that old free version of Forte Agent or how It's not free. I paid for it, and I've paid for 6 too, but still like this one. you use or configured it. Look at your reply to Gonzo. Yikes. |
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:12:05 -0500,
VanguardLH wrote: [snip separate topic] Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field. Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93. I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets. (So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel) This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is, not changing line breaks. I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the text back to the left. Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening and how I reverse it when it does happen? Are you composing using HTML or plain text? If HTML, do those programs Plain text let you switch from HTML to plain text mode (which will strip out all the HTML code)? Maybe you have your newsreader configured to use some HTML template when composing new messages and it has code in it that No. causes the right alignment. See if composing in plain text mode eliminates the unwanted right alignment (since you are not composing in Hebrew, Arabic, or Russian). You said that you installed Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian language support. What language is selected in the Regional settings? What keyboard layout was selected? English US and US Keyboard (listed in the same box, right?) http://www.qwertytutorials.com/softw...egional_xp.php This is good but it doesn't answer my question. That shows the dialogs for changing regional and language settings. Under the Regional Options tab, which set of language preferences is selected? Under the Languages tab, and clicking on the Details button for "Text services and input languages", which keyboard layout is selected? Under there you see buttons for Language Bar and Key Settings. One of those probably has hotkeys for changing layout or language preferences. I suspect by its name that Key Settings defines hotkeys for quickly switching between languages. Yes, and I used tot have those filled in, but I changed them to None after this happened a few times. At some time, there was a small semi-transparent area -- I guess it's called the Language Bar but that box, to the left of the Key Settings box, is greyed out (not a problem). . ( It's the size of the Systray Time, and it was at the bottom, then later at the top of the screen, which I could click on and change languages, but that went away, maybe when I changed the keys to None. ) https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true Although you added Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian language support doesn't mean you should have those added to your keyboard layout or your for your language preferences. You might want to configure those to use just the language you want and then DISABLE text services. https://www.microsoft.com/resources/....mspx?mfr=true (Please leave all 3 newsgroups so I don't have to read this thread in 3 places.) Replies should politely reuse the same list of Newsgroups to which you posted *if* all cross-posted newsgroups are related (e.g., asking about I'm glad to hear that. But recently I think I read a post where someone had deleted every ng but the one he read, which wasn't iirc even the ng from which the OP had posted. Ironically, I'm the one who didn't post to all 3 groups, because I misspellled one name, but the third group can read the OP here. gardening in a car enthusiast newsgroup would be improper cross posting so respondents can and probably will pick only the appropriate newsgroup to which they respond). You did not [try to] post to 3 newsgroups. You specified 4: microsoft.public.windowsxp.general alt.usenet.offline-reader forte-agen comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows I pasted in the name of the newsgroup, so I can't understand how the period in the name of the Forte newsgroup got changed to a comma. OTOH, I can l understand how the T on agent got deleted, when I was deleting what I thought was a period between the Eudora group and Agent group names. "forte-agen" (even with adding the missing trailing "t") is not a valid newsgroup name. Looks like you entered a comma (separates newsgroup names) instead of a period (demarks parts of a newsgroup name). You meant alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent but blundered with a comma instead of period and omitted the "t" at the end. Oops. So your post went to alt.usenet.offline-reader (a valid newsgroup) I didn't even know that was valid. but not to the child forte-agent group. I'm surprised your newsreader, Forte Agent, even for that ancient 1.93 version, would let you to submit to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server to which you submitted your article. A good newsreader would alert you that the newsgroup(s) was(were) not available. I don't think it does that. |
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gonzo wrote:
At some time, there was a small semi-transparent area -- I guess it's called the Language Bar but that box, to the left of the Key Settings box, is greyed out (not a problem). . ( It's the size of the Systray Time, and it was at the bottom, then later at the top of the screen, which I could click on and change languages, but that went away, maybe when I changed the keys to None. ) If you are using only one language then why show the Language Bar? The MS article mentioned tells how to disable Text Services. One of the settings for Language bar is to turn it off (uncheck "Show the Language bar on the desktop"). It's been way too long since I last used Windows XP and monkeyed around with the keyboard and language settings. As I recall, you could have different languages and key mappings assigned to different [app] windows. You could have Spanish assigned to one window and English to a different one. You might have to open the affected apps and make sure English language and keyboard mapping is selected when those apps windows are opened AND they have focus. With the Language Bar loaded and visible (or just with its tray icon), go into each app by clicking in its window and see which language is displayed in the Language Bar or "EN" in the tray icon. What language is selected within Forte Agent. Is there an Options - General Preferences - Languages dialog with Usenet and E-mail Text settings? Did you install software with your keyboard? |
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micky wrote:
In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Tue, 25 Aug 2015 04:06:45 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Configuring your client to include the newsgroups in your attribution line present inaccurate info. Only 1 newsgroup was listed. My post was submitted to 2 newsgroups: the valid ones (but not to the accidental one and obvioulsy not to a non-existing one). Because of cross-posting, the reader may not see your article in the one newsgroup you specify in your attribution line. The Newsgroups header already shows that info. The newsgroup you mention in your attribution line may not be the same newsgroup to which you submit your reply. Nym should go first. The point of the attribution line is to identify who said what. Date and Message-ID (of the parent post in a reply) can be handy (with limp clients) but the rest is fluff or may be inaccurate. micky wrote: Other than this problem Agent is the most well-behaved program I have Really? Apparently that ancient version does not properly indent by prefixing a quoting character to the quoted content in your reply. Took me awhile of rolling up and down trying to see what, if anything, you added in your reply instead of just duplicating the original post. Your reply content is at the same quotation indentation as the original message. Because I quoted his whole post. Oops, my bad. I thought the "(Other than than this ...)" paragraph was your reply content and why I removed the parenthesis. I didn't catch that you added NOTHING in your reply (other than your attribution line). Maybe my eyes are worse than I thought. Did *YOU* add anything to your reply? Looks like you merely cited the original post. My guess, despite no announcement by you in your reply, is that your intent was to copy the OP's post into the Forte newsgroup. Didn't work (see below). When you change the newsgroups, you *announce* the change in your reply. Despite you adding the "T" to "forte-agen", that still failed to copy the article as a cross-post to the Forte newsgroup. Like the OP, you also used the comma separator instead of the period in the newsgroup name. There are no "forte-agen" or "forte-agent" newsgroups. There are, however, the following newsgroups: alt.usenet.offline-reader -- to where you and the OP actually posted alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent \ \__ Period ("."), not comma (",") alt.usenet.offline-reader,forte-agent (2 newsgroups: 1 valid, 1 invalid) ^ is not the same as | v alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent (1 valid newsgroup) Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The client should notify you of that error. Go look in alt.usenet.offline-reader. That is to where the OP and you cross-posted. Then go to alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent and you will see your and the OP's posts did NOT go there. |
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:24:05 -0400,
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH declaimed the following: Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The client should notify you of that error. It could be that it achieved one successful group and presumed that THAT server would eventually propagate the message to the other named groups (valid or not). Good point. As I recall, one could post to groups not on one's own news server if he also posted to a group on his server. Unless of course I inaccurately deduced that one could do that because of something simlar to what happened here. |
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Wed, 26 Aug 2015 09:24:05 -0400,
Dennis Lee Bieber wrote: On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH declaimed the following: Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The client should notify you of that error. It could be that it achieved one successful group and presumed that THAT server would eventually propagate the message to the other named groups (valid or not). Good point. As I recall, one could post to groups not on one's own news server if he also posted to a group on his server. Unless of course I inaccurately deduced that one could do that because of something simlar to what happened here. Posted a secont time with Agent group included. |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:
Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The client should notify you of that error. The news server only returns an error if it does not accept the post. Clearly the news server did accept the post. Some news servers accept posts to newsgroups they do not carry, so long as the message is cross-posted to a group which the server does carry. -- Kind regards Ralph |
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Ralph Fox wrote:
On Wed, 26 Aug 2015 00:15:53 -0500, VanguardLH wrote: Both you and the OP use Forte 1.93. Tis a bit surprising that it does not alert you when attempting to submit an article to a newsgroup that does not exist on the server. The server will return an error. The client should notify you of that error. The news server only returns an error if it does not accept the post. Clearly the news server did accept the post. Some news servers accept posts to newsgroups they do not carry, so long as the message is cross-posted to a group which the server does carry. Thanks for the update. So the user may not know one of the newsgroups is invalid. Ouch. |
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In comp.mail.eudora.ms-windows, on Sat, 29 Aug 2015 20:42:36 +1200,
Ralph Fox wrote: On Tue, 25 Aug 2015 03:39:33 -0400, wrote: Sometimes text moves to the right side of a field. Running XP SP3, Eudora 7.1.0.9, and Agent 1.93. I have Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian alphabets enabled, the first two you know are written from right to left, but in an effort to stop this, I removed key sequences that were usable to change to those alphabets. (So now I don't know how to change to the right alphabet even when I want to.) (In Text Services and Input Languages, which comes from Regional and Language options, which comes from the Control Panel) This occurs mostly or entirely in two programs, i) ForteAgent and only in the composition window, at the top, in the Newsgroups field or the Subject field. And ii) in Eudora, where all of the text in the body will sometimes become right justified, line by line, that is, not changing line breaks. I must have touched certain keys but I can't find the keys to get the text back to the left. Does anyone know what the problem is? Or how I stop it from happening and how I reverse it when it does happen? For XP, there are key settings in the Control Panel at Control Panel Region and Language Options Languages Details Key Settings Right. The Key Settings are all set to None. OTOH for Agent 1.93 I would normally expect this behaviour to be It might be a coincidence that the whole body of an email gets right-justified in Eudora, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I went to Windows Control Panel/Regional and Language/Languages/Details /Advanced and unchecked the "Turn off advanced text services"**, and my Language Bar button is no longer greyed out, But I have to restart for this all to take effect, and I'm not going to do that for several days. I'll try to get back to you all and let you know what happens, if and when something changes. **I don't remember ever checking this, buit maybe I did. driven by the language selected in Agent -- or more precisely, by the "Script" setting for the font associated with the language selected. 1. For the Agent 1.93 composition window, the language selection is at Message Properties, top left. English (American). The only other choice is Russian, but I havent' selected Russian in over a year, or two. 2. To find the font associated with a language, and the font's "Script" setting, in Agent 1.93 2.1 Go to Options Display Preferences Fonts 2.2 Select the language in the drop-down 2.3 Click either "Variable-Pitch body" or "Fixed-Pitch body" depending on whether text is displayed in a proportional or monospaced font. |
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