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Downgrading from Win 8
I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer
and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? |
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I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? You can "slipstreeam" drivers into an installer DVD. Then, burn a new DVD. This site illustrates a tool with that capability. Note that, as new OSes come out, you may need to find another software product, to do the job. The developers who do stuff like this, they eventually tire of putting a lot of work into this stuff for free. And then someone else comes along to pick up the slack. http://www.nliteos.com/guide/part1.html http://www.nliteos.com/guide/pictures/a6.jpg Only drivers in a certain format, can be integrated. Not all driver package formats are acceptable. The advantage of integrating drivers, is to make a custom reinstallation disc, for a particular machine. ******* You install drivers, after the base OS is installed. And, you might ask, how is that possible ? It's possible, because: 1) Base OS has standard drivers for hard disk drives. And that support gets better, from OS to OS. Windows 7 would have IDE, AHCI, and RAID (limited brands). No need to "F6 in a driver" as a result. 2) Video driver fallback. The base OS has a VESA driver. Video cards contain a VESA BIOS. The declarations (plug and play), allow the screen to be operated in a basic mode. The resolution is typically lower than normal. While working in the low-resolution screen, you can then start to install the video related drivers. (DirectX, AGP driver, .NET 2.0 or higher for the control panel, video card package). Same thing happens, when you uninstall the video driver, using Add/Remove. The screen needs something to work with, and goes back to VESA mode and the fallback driver. 3) Mouse and keyboard follow standards. Such as HID and USB standards. Driver is built into the OS. So with some luck, enough basic drivers are already present, you get a tiny screen to work in, and finish driver installation. Dealing with a busted NIC can be a problem, especially if you didn't "plan ahead" and put the drivers on a CD or a USB stick. Usually, the NIC comes with support back to the dawn of time, so of all the hardware types, driver coverage is usually pretty good for NICs. Just a matter of getting the files in the first place (from Intel, Broadcom, Marvell, RealTek, VIA etc.) Have fun, Paul |
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Ken Blake wrote:
On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote: I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm concerned. My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. I agree with the above. The reason being that the drivers won't or are not available for modern hardware using winxp. I could be wrong see link below. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/w...d-support-help I also had a winxp compatible motherboard and if I tried to run modern software on it using winxp. It did not perform very well. So I installed win7 on it. And it was a vast improvement over winXP. Main area was internet use. If you want to go back to winxp the safest way is to use virtualbox. As I think in your thread you started about 'confusion' some did recommend you try virtualbox. Owe and about your computer icon. If you look at the taskbar in the win8 desktop you should see a icon to the left that looks like a folder with a half blue square in the bottom middle of it. left click on it and you will see that it functions the same way the 'my computer' icon does in winxp. |
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On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 08:40:01 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote: On Sun, 08 Sep 2013 09:03:41 -0500, wrote: I'm seriously considering dumping Win 8 from a new computer and installing either XP Pro or Win 7 very possibly the former-- and keep it on 'til the updates stop nest year and then, if I live that long, upgrading to Win 7. Yeah ---laugh all you want -- but, to my actual question: I won't laugh, but you'd be making a bad mistake, as far as I'm concerned. Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! My understand is that I install the OS then install the drivers (right?). So, that's fine --if I have the drivers on a disk. But, suppose I download the drivers ahead of installing the OS -- how then do I get them on the machine? Copy them to a CD, DVD, thumb drive, etc., then install them from that after installing the operating system. |
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wrote in message ... Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7. I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files which is where data should never be stored). |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 11:13:33 -0400, "Seth"
wrote: wrote in message .. . Well, I know there are many, maybe most, who agree with you. But, Win 8 to me is no longer "personal computing" and in fact is the final end of such. But, I'm nearly 79 years old and probably won't last longer than WinXP followed my Win7. Install Classic Shell (or similar) and Win8 is nearly identical to Win7. Well, I did install Classic Shell. And "nearly" subjective. I didn't find it so --- but then I haven't learned Win 7 well yet either --- just bought a new laptop with 7 installed so I'll start I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! But access what? I have access to everything on my system. But then again I don't store non-static items in places I shouldn't (like some people store data in the same folder the program that uses said data under \Program Files which is where data should never be stored). |
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Well, I did install Classic Shell. And "nearly" subjective. I didn't find it so --- but then I haven't learned Win 7 well yet either --- just bought a new laptop with 7 installed so I'll start Yeah, "nearly" is subjective. It also depends upon individual tastes. Tell me, just WTF do you want??? Here are a couple of screen shots of my Win 8 desktop. That's where I land when the machine boots. Normally, there is nothing on it...no "My Computer"...no "Recycle Bin". I don't want orneed those things. In the screen shots, there are 3-4 things that are there temporarily until I take care of them. That's what I use both my actual and my computer desktops for - temporary things. In the screen shots, the task bar is also visible. I keep it at the left side and it is normally hidden until such time as I want it; when I do, I move the cursor to the left edge and the taskbar pops out. One screen shot shows the "All Programs" menu, the other shows "Settings" Pretty much the same as they woud be in Win7, WinXP, Win98 or Win95. They do have some special icons I made but that is a matter of taste; they could have standard icons if I wished. The existence of the menus is thanks to Classic Shell as is the "start" button which is the graphic at the top of the taskbar. The appearance of the start menu and what is on it, how it behaves, etc. is configurable via Classic Shell's menu; one way to access that menu is to right click the start button. Take a look at the screen shots and tell me what is do damned hard about Win8 with Classic Shell. IOW, are you stubborn or just totally computer illiterate? http://www.floridaloghouse.net/dadioh/allprograms.gif http://www.floridaloghouse.net/dadioh/settings.gif -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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So I want access to the computer and won't change because Microsoft says I should! You have as much "access to the computer" with Win 8 as you do/did with any previous OS. Just out of curiosity, just what is it you want to access and what do you want to do with it? Regardless, it is probably a bad idea. -- dadiOH ____________________________ Winters getting colder? Tired of the rat race? Taxes out of hand? Maybe just ready for a change? Check it out... http://www.floridaloghouse.net |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:34:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote in Re Downgrading from Win 8: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:22:28 -0500, wrote: I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before 1958. Quite so. -- Web based forums are like subscribing to 10 different newspapers and having to visit 10 different news stands to pickup each one. Email list-server groups and USENET are like having all of those newspapers delivered to your door every morning. |
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Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before
1958. Some were not born yet. Ooops. On 9/10/2013 07:34, Gene E. Bloch wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:22:28 -0500, wrote: I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before 1958. |
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Gene E. Bloch has written on 9/9/2013 7:34 PM:
On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:22:28 -0500, wrote: I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before 1958. I saw my first one Jan 59! |
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On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:34:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:22:28 -0500, wrote: I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before 1958. I come close. I miss by four years. |
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On 9/9/2013 5:52 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 9 Sep 2013 16:34:00 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch" wrote: On Mon, 09 Sep 2013 09:22:28 -0500, wrote: I've been doing computers since the very begining -- my first was before floppy disks were invented and before the word "software" was coined. Pretty good. Not many people here have been doing computers since before 1958. I come close. I miss by four years. I feel so young now. IBM 1620 1967 |
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