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On 1/6/2018 8:02 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

...and you believe cars will reach a higher standard?

absolutely.

all they need to do is be better than humans, which as i said, is not
that tough.

And yet we have this [many decades old] memory leak security hole.

that would not cause an autonomous vehicle to crash.

Well, we don't know that yet. :-) Maybe it can make the
autonomous car mistake a tractor-trailier for a billboard.

yes we do. meltdown/spectre won't have any effect on the algorithms
used in autonomous vehicles.

nothing is perfect so there will still be collisions, but far fewer
than with human drivers.

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors
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On 01/06/2018 08:16 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 1/6/2018 8:02 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

...and you believe cars will reach a higher standard?

absolutely.

all they need to do is be better than humans, which as i said, is not
that tough.

And yet we have this [many decades old] memory leak security hole.

that would not cause an autonomous vehicle to crash.

Well, we don't know that yet.* :-)* Maybe it can make the
autonomous car mistake a tractor-trailier for a billboard.

yes we do. meltdown/spectre won't have any effect on the algorithms
used in autonomous vehicles.

nothing is perfect so there will still be collisions, but far fewer
than with human drivers.

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

Go ahead, hack my MGB, I dare you. :-)

bill

On 1/6/2018 8:27 PM, Bill Gunshannon wrote:
On 01/06/2018 08:16 PM, Ron C wrote:
On 1/6/2018 8:02 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

...and you believe cars will reach a higher standard?

absolutely.

all they need to do is be better than humans, which as i said, is
not
that tough.

And yet we have this [many decades old] memory leak security hole.

that would not cause an autonomous vehicle to crash.

Well, we don't know that yet.* :-)* Maybe it can make the
autonomous car mistake a tractor-trailier for a billboard.

yes we do. meltdown/spectre won't have any effect on the algorithms
used in autonomous vehicles.

nothing is perfect so there will still be collisions, but far fewer
than with human drivers.

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

Go ahead, hack my MGB, I dare you.* :-)

bill

LOL !!!!!

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In article , Ron C
wrote:

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

sure they can. it's called carjacking.

or malicious actors, such as dropping a rock off a bridge.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/23/us/fli...g-murder-trnd/
index.html
(CNN)Five teenagers from Michigan have been charged with
second-degree murder after being accused of throwing a rock off an
overpass that killed a man, according to the Genesee County Sheriff's
Office.

On 1/6/2018 8:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ron C
wrote:

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

sure they can. it's called carjacking.

or malicious actors, such as dropping a rock off a bridge.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/23/us/fli...g-murder-trnd/
index.html
(CNN)Five teenagers from Michigan have been charged with
second-degree murder after being accused of throwing a rock off an
overpass that killed a man, according to the Genesee County Sheriff's
Office.
surly not the same as *millions* of cpus having an exploitable flaw

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In article , Ron C
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it's not email, there are no viruses in a usenet post and avg is
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also, your sig delimiter is incorrect. it's two dashes and a space
followed by a return.

In article
Ron C wrote:

On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
It's not that bad, one or two cars at a time. These days it's not unusual
at all for houses to have 200A service and putting a 100A 240V outlet in
the garage for a charger does not require a major retrofit.

Garage ha ha ha. That'll work a treat on those streets of terraced
houses, eh?

A 50kWh battery is going to need 100A at 1kV to charge up in 30 mins.

You're not going to get that right now. Maybe in a decade. Right now
you're talking four hours to charge it up full.

You going to give the punter a cable at 1kV to shove in their car?

It's dangerous, sure, but ever seen a gasoline fire?
--scott


Thousands of people pump their own gas every day. Seldom
a conflagration. Several hundred volts and a little water in the
wrong place .. and zap!
I'd tend to trust some average rube with gasoline before I'd trust
them with high voltage stuff.
[YMMV]


Off-Topic in the privacy group.

On 01/06/2018 08:55 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ron C
wrote:

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

sure they can. it's called carjacking.

or malicious actors, such as dropping a rock off a bridge.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/23/us/fli...g-murder-trnd/
index.html
(CNN)Five teenagers from Michigan have been charged with
second-degree murder after being accused of throwing a rock off an
overpass that killed a man, according to the Genesee County Sheriff's
Office.


Old news. They did it here years ago. And, guess what, autonomous
vehicles certainly won't stop that.

bill

On 1/6/2018 9:13 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ron C
wrote:

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it's not email, there are no viruses in a usenet post and avg is
spamware.

also, your sig delimiter is incorrect. it's two dashes and a space
followed by a return.

oh crap, avg turned that thing on again :-(
oops

On 1/6/2018 9:20 PM, Anonymous Remailer (austria) wrote:
In article
Ron C wrote:

On 1/6/2018 7:38 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
It's not that bad, one or two cars at a time. These days it's not unusual
at all for houses to have 200A service and putting a 100A 240V outlet in
the garage for a charger does not require a major retrofit.

Garage ha ha ha. That'll work a treat on those streets of terraced
houses, eh?

A 50kWh battery is going to need 100A at 1kV to charge up in 30 mins.

You're not going to get that right now. Maybe in a decade. Right now
you're talking four hours to charge it up full.

You going to give the punter a cable at 1kV to shove in their car?

It's dangerous, sure, but ever seen a gasoline fire?
--scott


Thousands of people pump their own gas every day. Seldom
a conflagration. Several hundred volts and a little water in the
wrong place .. and zap!
I'd tend to trust some average rube with gasoline before I'd trust
them with high voltage stuff.
[YMMV]


Off-Topic in the privacy group.

This thread drift is likely off-topic in every group it's cross posted to
[YMMV]

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In article , Bill Gunshannon
wrote:

human drivers make all sorts of mistakes, some incredibly stupid.

however, human drivers can't be hacked by malevolent actors

sure they can. it's called carjacking.

or malicious actors, such as dropping a rock off a bridge.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/23/us/fli...g-murder-trnd/
index.html
(CNN)Five teenagers from Michigan have been charged with
second-degree murder after being accused of throwing a rock off an
overpass that killed a man, according to the Genesee County Sheriff's
Office.


Old news. They did it here years ago. And, guess what, autonomous
vehicles certainly won't stop that.

the point is that there are bad people in this world.

In article , Ron C
wrote:

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it's not email, there are no viruses in a usenet post and avg is
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also, your sig delimiter is incorrect. it's two dashes and a space
followed by a return.

oh crap, avg turned that thing on again :-(
oops

uninstall it and the problem goes away.

On 1/6/2018 9:30 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Ron C
wrote:

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it's not email, there are no viruses in a usenet post and avg is
spamware.

also, your sig delimiter is incorrect. it's two dashes and a space
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oh crap, avg turned that thing on again :-(
oops

uninstall it and the problem goes away.

g

In article
Jan-Erik Soderholm wrote:

Den 2018-01-07 kl. 01:50, skrev Doomsdrzej:
On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 15:54:21 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

The biggest problem in even considering a Tesla is that I live in a
very cold climate which, since mid-December, has seen its temperature
go no lower than -25c. In such a climate, the already poor range of an
electric car is even worse and there are good reasons to believe that
it wouldn't even start.

the batteries are heated in cold weather and the cars start just fine.

Are they heated through the use of a block heater or is there some
other solution I'm not aware of?

the batteries are heated and shortly before leaving, you can preheat
the cabin via a smartphone app.

_How_ are they heated?

via a heater module on the batteries.

Pre-heating the cabin essentially means that you've turned on the car
remotely. However, this is only possible if the car starts which, of
course, often requires the batteries to be heated.

for a gas powered vehicle, the engine must be running.

not true for an electric vehicle.


Or for a normal gas powered car, with built-in electric
pre-heating of the windshield (or whatever).

Many cars also have a separate gas or diesel powered heater
for the cabin. Today remote controled by your phone app...

Eberspächer being one of the oldest and larges manufacturer.


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Scott Dorsey wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:
In article , nospam
range is only a problem for long road trips, and in those cases, rent a
vehicle. eventually, that won't be a problem, as more charging stations
are built.
I think some of you guys need to calculate the power rate needed to
charge the higher range cars in any sort of reasonable time. You'll
find it quite high. Then you have the problem of supplying that power
at a safe voltage, and without such a high current needed that even Mr
Muscles can't lift the charging cable, never mind plug it in.

It's not that bad, one or two cars at a time. These days it's not unusual
at all for houses to have 200A service and putting a 100A 240V outlet in
the garage for a charger does not require a major retrofit.

Where it gets bad is when you start thinking about doing that in every house
in the country and the degree to which the grid needs to be enlarged in order
to deal with that load on a constant basis.

It'll happen, and the money is there to make it happen because it's the same
money that is currently going into purchasing gasoline, but it's not going to
happen today and it's not going to happen tomorrow.

But you can go out right now and buy a BMW i3 at your dealer today,
get a charger installed on your existing service panel, and have a whole
lot of fun driving fast right now. It's not cheap, but that's how it goes.
--scott


Not sure how this got into c.o.v, and no, I'm not helping the problem.

People who want to drive gasoline powered autos should be the biggest proponents
of electric vehicles for local usage. Look at what happened to the cost of
gasoline, almost $4.00 a gallon in the US, when a glut of oil happened
worldwide. Gasoline dropped as low as less than $2.00 a gallon.

So, say there is a 25% drop in the demand for gasoline. The soccer mums are
mostly driving electric vehicles, less than 100 miles per day. What's going to
happen to the cost of gasoline?

I am more than ready for en electric vehicle. More than enough to get me to the
airport. What else matters? Unfortunately, you can't live out in the boonies
without a truck.

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