Maximal temperatures in the US have DECREASED over the last 100 years

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 08:35:57 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"DMP" wrote

| And then, ethanol gets added to gasoline to save on fuel consumption.
| the result is more carb emissions in the air..makes sense just like
| electric cars with their "disposable" batteries.
|

Another good point that gets overlooked. Not only
disposable batteries. I saw a claim recently that electric
could be even more dirty due to getting the power from
coal-fired power plants. I didn't read the details, so I'm
not clear on whether that's a credible claim. But it's a
worthwhile point, either way. Electric is assumed in
popular thinking to be inherently better.

Whole of life CO2 emmision for electric vehicles is about the same as
for liquid fuels and can be worse, depending on how the local
electricity supply is generated.

Then there's also driving time. How many people driving
hybrids or electric justify unnecessary driving with magical
thinking, imagining that their car is helping Mother Earth
simply by being electric?

That kind of escapist logic is applied in many ways.
People buy plastic bottles of water but justify it with
the idea that the plastic is recyclable. And they buy it
even when public water supplies are better quality. Even
highly educated people do it, having cases of 6 oz
water bottles in their kitchens. Why? It was marketed
that way and they simply never thought about it.

A recent fad is
to switch to aluminum, with the theory that's "more
recyclable". Yet another excuse to be lazy and forget
about it: "Don't worry. Aluminum is recyclable." (Someone
actually said that to me yesterday.)

That idea has been around for at least 50 years.

All related to Windows because this is Gates fault. ;-)

Indeed. Also, Gates is convinced that he's smarter than
everyone else and should be in charge. To that end he's
been trying to mold public education in his image. (For
instance, smart people would put more Microsoft devices
in schools.) If people can't think for themselves now,
imagine how bad it will be when Gates gets through
with them.


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Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.

"Eric Stevens" wrote

| A recent fad is
| to switch to aluminum, with the theory that's "more
| recyclable". Yet another excuse to be lazy and forget
| about it: "Don't worry. Aluminum is recyclable." (Someone
| actually said that to me yesterday.)
|
| That idea has been around for at least 50 years.

50 years? It sounds like people started recycling about
30 years earlier in NZ than in the US. 50 years ago I
hadn't heard the word "recycle". When did you have
cars down there? 1750?

It's a very recent fad here with beer. Beer companies
are saving money by packaging in aluminum and claiming
it's much better than glass. They make the case that it's
more recyclable.
But that's only in about the past 2-3 years. (Fortunately,
my favorite beer still comes in glass.) And now I've
heard the trend is being extended to plastic water
bottles, even though I haven't seen it yet.

On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:06:32 -0400, "Mayayana"
wrote:

"Eric Stevens" wrote

| A recent fad is
| to switch to aluminum, with the theory that's "more
| recyclable". Yet another excuse to be lazy and forget
| about it: "Don't worry. Aluminum is recyclable." (Someone
| actually said that to me yesterday.)
|
| That idea has been around for at least 50 years.

50 years? It sounds like people started recycling about
30 years earlier in NZ than in the US. 50 years ago I
hadn't heard the word "recycle".

I think my nose was first rubbed in the idea in 1957 by my metallurgy
lecturer.

When did you have cars down there? 1750?

One was built in 1896 and two were imported in 1898.

It's a very recent fad here with beer. Beer companies
are saving money by packaging in aluminum and claiming
it's much better than glass. They make the case that it's
more recyclable.

Maybe you have been paying too much attention to the contents. :-)

But that's only in about the past 2-3 years. (Fortunately,
my favorite beer still comes in glass.) And now I've
heard the trend is being extended to plastic water
bottles, even though I haven't seen it yet.




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Eric Stevens

There are two classes of people. Those who divide people into
two classes and those who don't. I belong to the second class.