Why can't we have an undetectable adblocker?

On 09/11/2019 12.47, nospam wrote:
In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:


I do not want to block all adds. Absolutely not!

why not? they needlessly slow things down and track you.


Because I recognize their right to get some revenue, as long as it
doesn't cause "damage" to me.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 08/11/2019 20.18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 00:47:09 -0000, Carlos E. R.
wrote:

On 08/11/2019 01.29, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Thu, 07 Nov 2019 22:23:28 -0000, Sjouke Burry
wrote:

On 07.11.19 21:47, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Why can't someone write an adblocker that isn’t detectable?
Don't block the ad, simply download it but don't display it,
the web server wouldn't know the difference!

Why not leave the generation alone, and just print a grey
square across it? And turn the sound to zero volume, dont try
to stop them, just make them silent/invisible. That should be
quite undetectable.

Agreed. The simplest way to block them is to cover them up, yet
adblockers do stupid things like not downloading the ad at all.
I don't give a **** if a bit of my unlimited bandwidth is used
up, but I do care if the website can see I haven't downloaded the
ad, then prevents the whole page from loading. Adblockers just
aren't doing their job properly.

Actually, some of the them are downloaded to find out if they match
a filter. Then, some of us do want them not downloaded, not only
not displayed, because we may have limited bandwidth or this is
metered. That is my case this instant, as I have the laptop
tethered to my moble phone.

You are in the minority, most people are on fast connections
nowadays.

Maybe. I have a fast and unlimited connection when I'm home, but not
when I'm moving around. People that live in the country, not in a city,
may not have access to a fast or unlimited connection - even on the USA
there are many such people. Some even today have to use a modem!


Another reason is that once they are downloaded, they do things
like run scripts to detect your actions, and that is worse than
having the add displayed. Or simply they run code to display the
actual add.

They can't detect an action if it's not there to be clicked on.

No, that is not entirely true. They can try to read the cookies present.
There may be google code there, and they find out your navigation
historyy; even if they have no access to it, when you visit a page a
script records that you visited it. The same or similar script on
another page notices this. They also record how your mouse moves,
whether it goes close to the advert or if you page away fast or slow.

Luckily they don't have access to the camera to track where your
eyeballs are pointing at.


Anyway, what's the point in blocking them in the current way by not
downloading them, if that makes the site detect you've done so, and
stop you using the site altogether?

Then I'll have to download that one. I trust the addblocker to know
which to block and which not.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"Carlos E.R." wrote

| Luckily they don't have access to the camera to track where your
| eyeballs are pointing at.
|

Pretty close. If you're enabling script they can and do
track mouse movement. They extrapolate attention from
that. That's even done in email by spyware companies
like ConstantContact, who offer to tell you when your
email is opened and how far down it's been read. Of
course, it only works for webmail with script enabled,
but these days that's the norm.

In article , Carlos E.R.
wrote:

I do not want to block all adds. Absolutely not!

why not? they needlessly slow things down and track you.


Because I recognize their right to get some revenue, as long as it
doesn't cause "damage" to me.

use brave and their payment system.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote

| Then you're a person who has no choice but to live with
| constant surveilance and online security risks.
|
| What risks are those?

You said you use Opera, right? Which is now Chrome.
Here are 0-day risks from just last week:

https://www.securitynewspaper.com/20...n-as-possible/

The point with 0-day is that it means unknown vulnerabilities.
Many attacks now are 0-day. Keeping your browser updated
doesn't solve the problem.

Remember awhile back MS came out with a path for XP
because there was such a serious problem? EternalBlue,
WannaCry, WannaCrypt and various other names. That one's
actually a bug that requires remote desktop service enabled.
But most people don't know enough to disable that. Or they
may even use it.
The interesting thing was that the bug was developed by
the NSA.

This stuff has become big business and big gov't. A company
in Israel claims to be able to hack any iPhone... for a price.
The NSA comes up with 0-days so that they can't be blocked
from surveillance. Those hacks then get stolen or perhap sold.
Any clever person from anywhere in the world can potentially
make a fortune through stealing credentials, ransomware
attacks, banking trojans, cryptomining in webpages, and so on.
They just need a 0-day hack. And they can rent them!

The more you use online functionality and commerce, the more
you're at risk. Using MS Office increases your risk. Using methods
to access your desktop remotely increases the risk. Skype and
similar tools increase the risk. Anything that allows remote
functionality means you're running executable code -- software --
over the Internet. That can never be made entirely safe. Combine
that with things like online banking and you compound the problem.
Since I don't shop online or bank, there's no banking or credit data
on my computer. With the way you operate, your data is spread
among numerous websites and a vulnerability can allow it to be
intercepted.

In the context of the browser, nearly all of that requires script
enabled. Without executable code it's very hard to attack you.
Script was never even intended for this usage. Microsoft started
it by allowing script to run software and ActiveX controls. (Which
are software.) That made IE powerful. That allowed MS to get a
monopoly with IE. That made script executable code. In the heyday
there were ActiveX controls,
Java, Flash.... But then security became an issue and all of that
turned out to be a disaster. Now we're like drug addicts. We've
gotten used to all that functionality and no one wants to admit
that it's a security nightmare. So we just pretend that it isn't.

Much of it is invisible. Recently it was found that Uber's website
was hacked awhile back and personal data stolen. Uber didn't
call the police. They paid the hackers $100K and got them to sign
NDAs!

https://thehackernews.com/2017/11/ub...ta-breach.html

No one is looking out for you. There's too much money on the
table for that. So you take a risk every time you enable script.
You risk more if you don't at least limit it to direct connections
with specific websites.

Think of it like driving down a narrow country road with your balls
out the window. You might be fine, for 1 mile, 10 miles, even 100
miles, but you've put yourself at risk. Hey, is that a branch sticking
out up ahead? Whack! Happy banking.

In article , Mayayana
wrote:

The more you use online functionality and commerce, the more
you're at risk.

you don't need to use any online functionality to be at risk.

if your bank or medical office or any other service with your info is
hacked, such as equifax, your info is now compromised, and that doesn't
address all the public records that's out there.

Using MS Office increases your risk.

not really.

Using methods
to access your desktop remotely increases the risk.

that depends on the method and how it's implemented.

Skype and
similar tools increase the risk. Anything that allows remote
functionality means you're running executable code -- software --
over the Internet. That can never be made entirely safe.

nothing is 100% safe.

Combine
that with things like online banking and you compound the problem.
Since I don't shop online or bank, there's no banking or credit data
on my computer.

the bad guys aren't interested in your computer.

they go after far more lucrative targets, such as capital one this past
summer, equifax who left their servers wide open with at least one
server having login admin/admin, marriott, target, etc. and those are
just the ones you hear about because of how many people it affects.

Much of it is invisible. Recently it was found that Uber's website
was hacked awhile back and personal data stolen. Uber didn't
call the police. They paid the hackers $100K and got them to sign
NDAs!

one of several reasons why travis kalanick isn't uber's ceo anymore.

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:25:08 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:20:57 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn
wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bull****. Absolute utter bull****. There is no way you can tell if an
ad is displayed on my monitor, or if a white box is displayed on my
monitor. You'd need a camera in my house to do that.

Screenshots do not need a camera in your house. You are posting on a
topic you know nothing about. (And we have other ways to tell if an ad
is displayed.)

Taking a screenshot of someone's computer is hacking into it and highly
illegal. And you can't do it without installing a virus.

We can take the screenshot with your web browser. OMG, your web browser
must be a virus! Your computer is like, totally compromised!

If you can take a screenshot with it, you've modified it, illegally. Web browsers aren't that stupid.

The only sure way for you to get rid of a virus is to reformat and
reinstall.

Only if you're a moron.

I hope you have a backup from before any "virus" (web
browser) was installed on your computer. :-D

You're not too bright are you? Ok, tell me what my background wallpaper is. If you get it wrong, you're a liar.

And you simply can't tell if it's displayed. If the browser downloads
it from you, you can't tell whether those pixels end up on my screen or
in the bin where they belong.

Yes we can. A screenshot will show whether the pixels end up on your
screen. You are posting on a topic you know nothing about.

And if you're an ad creator, you're a ****. Nobody likes you, nobody
wants your product, so **** off and die.

The web site wants the ads, so it can make enough money to pay its
bills. If the web site cannot pay its bills then it has to close.

It should make it's money in a more ethical way. Advertising is wrong. I'd prefer it sold illegal drugs.

You want the web site, or else you would not visit it. If the ads went
away the web site would have to close. You are too tightwad to pay the
web site's bills.

If all websites required a payment to visit, it would be fine. Nobody would put up with irritating ads, and we'd pay a tiny fee each time we used the web.

The money to pay the bills has to come from elsewhere.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.

FYI we at Leet Website Command are not the ad creators.

Leet isn't a word you pathetic child.

On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:52:33 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 09/11/2019 12:25, CoMmAnDoTrOn wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:20:57 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn
wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bull****. Absolute utter bull****. There is no way you can tell if an
ad is displayed on my monitor, or if a white box is displayed on my
monitor. You'd need a camera in my house to do that.

Screenshots do not need a camera in your house. You are posting on a
topic you know nothing about. (And we have other ways to tell if an ad
is displayed.)

Taking a screenshot of someone's computer is hacking into it and highly
illegal. And you can't do it without installing a virus.


We can take the screenshot with your web browser. OMG, your web browser
must be a virus! Your computer is like, totally compromised!

The only sure way for you to get rid of a virus is to reformat and
reinstall. I hope you have a backup from before any "virus" (web
browser) was installed on your computer. :-D


And you simply can't tell if it's displayed. If the browser downloads
it from you, you can't tell whether those pixels end up on my screen or
in the bin where they belong.


Yes we can. A screenshot will show whether the pixels end up on your
screen. You are posting on a topic you know nothing about.


And if you're an ad creator, you're a ****. Nobody likes you, nobody
wants your product, so **** off and die.


The web site wants the ads, so it can make enough money to pay its
bills. If the web site cannot pay its bills then it has to close.

You want the web site, or else you would not visit it. If the ads went
away the web site would have to close. You are too tightwad to pay the
web site's bills. The money to pay the bills has to come from elsewhere.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.


FYI we at Leet Website Command are not the ad creators.


Be wary of the which sites you visit!

https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg

Nobody in the UK using BT as their ISP can visit the site (without a
VPN) so there must surely be SOMETHING untoward happening there!

A website shouldn't be able to do anything untoward. Unless your browser is a piece of ****.

In article op.0a2c80cnwdg98l@glass, Commander Kinsey
wrote:


Leet isn't a word you pathetic child.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leet

On 11/11/2019 00:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:52:33 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 09/11/2019 12:25, CoMmAnDoTrOn wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:20:57 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn
wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bull****.Â* Absolute utter bull****.Â* There is no way you can tell
if an
ad is displayed on my monitor, or if a white box is displayed on my
monitor.Â* You'd need a camera in my house to do that.

Screenshots do not need a camera in your house. You are posting on a
topic you know nothing about. (And we have other ways to tell if an ad
is displayed.)

Taking a screenshot of someone's computer is hacking into it and highly
illegal.Â* And you can't do it without installing a virus.


We can take the screenshot with your web browser. OMG, your web browser
must be a virus! Your computer is like, totally compromised!

The only sure way for you to get rid of a virus is to reformat and
reinstall. I hope you have a backup from before any "virus" (web
browser) was installed on your computer.Â* :-D


And you simply can't tell if it's displayed.Â* If the browser downloads
it from you, you can't tell whether those pixels end up on my screen or
in the bin where they belong.


Yes we can. A screenshot will show whether the pixels end up on your
screen. You are posting on a topic you know nothing about.


And if you're an ad creator, you're a ****.Â* Nobody likes you, nobody
wants your product, so **** off and die.


The web site wants the ads, so it can make enough money to pay its
bills. If the web site cannot pay its bills then it has to close.

You want the web site, or else you would not visit it. If the ads went
away the web site would have to close. You are too tightwad to pay the
web site's bills. The money to pay the bills has to come from elsewhere.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.


FYI we at Leet Website Command are not the ad creators.


Be wary of the which sites you visit!

https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg

*Nobody in the UK using BT as their ISP can visit the site* (without a
VPN) so there must surely be SOMETHING untoward happening there!

A website shouldn't be able to do anything untoward.Â* Unless your
browser is a piece of ****.

The website belonging to Beauregard T. Shagnasty can, and DOES, do
untoward things!

No matter WHICH browser I have used!

And Look - all the images have gone AWOL!!!

http://www.tekrider.net/pages/about.php

About Me
This should be enough:

BMW R1100RT
Beauregard and the Road Machine
Oh wait! There should be a 22" wide-screen monitor above the handlebars!

Okay, a little more. My whole employment career, once I got past the
kiddie jobs, has been in some form of "teknical" field. Numerous titles.
Senior Programmer/Analyst. Systems Analyst. Software Engineer. Database
Administrator. Programmer. Technical Craftsman. Communications
Technician. Motorcycle Rider.

I started dabbling in Web sites years ago (c. 1997) and have always
coded by hand. No WYSIWYG assistance. I am not a dee-ziner (you can tell
that, right?), preferring to construct teknically-correct, easily
accessible and useable pages. Being retired, it is mostly a hobby; I
don't need the money.

I've been riding BMW Motorrad since 1973 (other brands prior to that). I
have ridden those Beemers in all 48 states, all but two Canadian
provinces, several Mexican states, and a half-dozen countries in Europe,
on my way to those half-million miles.

My Lake
I live on this lake
No, I don't actually live at this scenic overlook. My house is up the
lake on the right, and around the other side of that second hill that
sticks out into the water. The top picture on this page was taken a
couple of years ago in the driveway of my old house.

Cold Ride
New Year's Day
That thermometer is less than 2°C — but no snow!
BMW Roundel
BMW MotorradBeemers have two wheels; Bimmers have four.

I don't do Windows.

~BD~ Stalker of Devon wrote:

The website belonging to Beauregard T. Shagnasty can, and DOES, do
untoward things!

[SNIP copyrighted material you posted without permission]

No matter WHICH browser I have used!

And Look - all the images have gone AWOL!!!

No, they have not.
http://www.tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

What you should do is flush all your whiskey down the toilet and stop
drinking. Your behaviour indicates you still are.

You need to switch to my drink of choice:
http://tekrider.net/pages/mydrink.php

--
-bts

~BD~ Stalker of Devon wrote:

On 11/11/2019 01:33, Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote:
~BD~ Stalker of Devon wrote:
The website belonging to Beauregard T. Shagnasty can, and DOES, do
untoward things!

[SNIP copyrighted material you posted without permission]

Remind me of the name of the 'facility' which enables you to block
visitors to your website. It's not too effective is it?

It is called "Ban_Stalkers.exe".

No matter WHICH browser I have used!

And Look - all the images have gone AWOL!!!

No, they have not.
http://www.tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php

I've both requested nicely that you take it down.

I've told you nicely dozens of times that I would remove the page **IF**
you stopped /STALKING/, and so far you haven't been able to do that. The
answer remains the same.

You haven't done so for more than a few days, so let the battle begin.

What will you prefer - a WordPress Blog about you , a new Facebook page,
or both?

Do you want to be banned from those places as well? Do you want to lose
your Facebook account???

What you should do is flush all your whiskey down the toilet and stop
drinking. Your behaviour indicates you still are.

I stopped drinking alcohol on 21st March 2018.

My behaviour is my affair.

Not when it affects the lives of others.

I receive plenty of guidance from Mike Easter
(whomever *HE* may be in the real world!) - HOW I go about trying to
trip up the 'bad guys' is hardly YOUR concern, now is it?

You HAVE had guidance from Mike Easter, but you NEVER FOLLOW IT!

You need to switch to my drink of choice:
http://tekrider.net/pages/mydrink.php

I drink FAR too much coffee as it is! Always have done.

Not enough, it seems.

I could use that piccie of the coffee truck on your Facebook page if you
like. Is that OK? Do you have the copyright? Or did you steal THAT image
too?

You do NOT have explicit permission to use that image anywhere. I do,
granted to me by the photographer. If you use it, you have once again
committed a criminal act.

--
-bts

"Shadow" wrote

| And yet you happily allow third party scripts to redirect
| users to content that might be worse than PRoN?
| There is NO way YOU know where it takes them. Content is
| generated on the fly, and varies from profiled-user to profiled-user,
| and the third party sites could have been hacked, or worse, TLA'd.

That's a great example of why the Internet is so
risky. Most people with webpages/sites think only
of the functionality they want. CoMmAnDoTrOn likely
has no understanding of what you're talking about.
He just knows that he has a right to get rich by
letting ad companies take over his pages.

Then sites like Wordpress come along and let everyone
create powerful, highly functional websites by just
dragging a shopping cart widget. Those "webmasters"
never hear that their widget was hacked 2 months after
they used it, and they haven't known enough to check
for security updates in the 4 years since.

But many of the big site hacks have been done through
ads:

https://arstechnica.com/information-...to-ransomware/

http://news.softpedia.com/news/malve...r-506730.shtml



Which means that ads, in themselves, due to cross-site
scripting risks, are a major security threat.

And here's a recent report on bugs in javascript "libraries",
which are another thing used by kiddie coders who don't
actually know how to code:

https://snyk.io/wp-content/uploads/s...eport_2019.pdf

On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:45:09 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 11/11/2019 00:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:52:33 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 09/11/2019 12:25, CoMmAnDoTrOn wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:20:57 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn
wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bull****. Absolute utter bull****. There is no way you can tell
if an
ad is displayed on my monitor, or if a white box is displayed on my
monitor. You'd need a camera in my house to do that.

Screenshots do not need a camera in your house. You are posting on a
topic you know nothing about. (And we have other ways to tell if an ad
is displayed.)

Taking a screenshot of someone's computer is hacking into it and highly
illegal. And you can't do it without installing a virus.


We can take the screenshot with your web browser. OMG, your web browser
must be a virus! Your computer is like, totally compromised!

The only sure way for you to get rid of a virus is to reformat and
reinstall. I hope you have a backup from before any "virus" (web
browser) was installed on your computer. :-D


And you simply can't tell if it's displayed. If the browser downloads
it from you, you can't tell whether those pixels end up on my screen or
in the bin where they belong.


Yes we can. A screenshot will show whether the pixels end up on your
screen. You are posting on a topic you know nothing about.


And if you're an ad creator, you're a ****. Nobody likes you, nobody
wants your product, so **** off and die.


The web site wants the ads, so it can make enough money to pay its
bills. If the web site cannot pay its bills then it has to close.

You want the web site, or else you would not visit it. If the ads went
away the web site would have to close. You are too tightwad to pay the
web site's bills. The money to pay the bills has to come from elsewhere.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.


FYI we at Leet Website Command are not the ad creators.


Be wary of the which sites you visit!

https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg

*Nobody in the UK using BT as their ISP can visit the site* (without a
VPN) so there must surely be SOMETHING untoward happening there!

A website shouldn't be able to do anything untoward. Unless your
browser is a piece of ****.

The website belonging to Beauregard T. Shagnasty can, and DOES, do
untoward things!

No matter WHICH browser I have used!

Such things can only occur if there's a security hole, which browser writers should be fixing ****ing sharpish. Perhaps you should report all these instances to the browser people so they can protect the next version from him and any other miscreants. Also, your AV program should also be able to block such things. So that's TWO failures.

And Look - all the images have gone AWOL!!!

http://www.tekrider.net/pages/about.php

About Me
This should be enough:

BMW R1100RT
Beauregard and the Road Machine
Oh wait! There should be a 22" wide-screen monitor above the handlebars!

Okay, a little more. My whole employment career, once I got past the
kiddie jobs, has been in some form of "teknical" field. Numerous titles.
Senior Programmer/Analyst. Systems Analyst. Software Engineer. Database
Administrator. Programmer. Technical Craftsman. Communications
Technician. Motorcycle Rider.

I started dabbling in Web sites years ago (c. 1997) and have always
coded by hand. No WYSIWYG assistance. I am not a dee-ziner (you can tell
that, right?), preferring to construct teknically-correct, easily
accessible and useable pages. Being retired, it is mostly a hobby; I
don't need the money.

I've been riding BMW Motorrad since 1973 (other brands prior to that). I
have ridden those Beemers in all 48 states, all but two Canadian
provinces, several Mexican states, and a half-dozen countries in Europe,
on my way to those half-million miles.

My Lake
I live on this lake
No, I don't actually live at this scenic overlook. My house is up the
lake on the right, and around the other side of that second hill that
sticks out into the water. The top picture on this page was taken a
couple of years ago in the driveway of my old house.

Cold Ride
New Year's Day
That thermometer is less than 2°C — but no snow!
BMW Roundel
BMW MotorradBeemers have two wheels; Bimmers have four.

I don't do Windows.

On 11/11/2019 20:50, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:45:09 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 11/11/2019 00:07, Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sat, 09 Nov 2019 12:52:33 -0000, ~BD~ wrote:

On 09/11/2019 12:25, CoMmAnDoTrOn wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Fri, 08 Nov 2019 21:20:57 -0000, CoMmAnDoTrOn
wrote:
Commander Kinsey wrote:

Bull****.Â* Absolute utter bull****.Â* There is no way you can tell
if an
ad is displayed on my monitor, or if a white box is displayed on my
monitor.Â* You'd need a camera in my house to do that.

Screenshots do not need a camera in your house. You are posting on a
topic you know nothing about. (And we have other ways to tell if
an ad
is displayed.)

Taking a screenshot of someone's computer is hacking into it and
highly
illegal.Â* And you can't do it without installing a virus.


We can take the screenshot with your web browser. OMG, your web
browser
must be a virus! Your computer is like, totally compromised!

The only sure way for you to get rid of a virus is to reformat and
reinstall. I hope you have a backup from before any "virus" (web
browser) was installed on your computer.Â* :-D


And you simply can't tell if it's displayed.Â* If the browser
downloads
it from you, you can't tell whether those pixels end up on my
screen or
in the bin where they belong.


Yes we can. A screenshot will show whether the pixels end up on your
screen. You are posting on a topic you know nothing about.


And if you're an ad creator, you're a ****.Â* Nobody likes you, nobody
wants your product, so **** off and die.


The web site wants the ads, so it can make enough money to pay its
bills. If the web site cannot pay its bills then it has to close.

You want the web site, or else you would not visit it. If the ads went
away the web site would have to close. You are too tightwad to pay the
web site's bills. The money to pay the bills has to come from
elsewhere.
There is no such thing as a free lunch.


FYI we at Leet Website Command are not the ad creators.


Be wary of the which sites you visit!

https://i.imgur.com/JCa39b8.jpg

*Nobody in the UK using BT as their ISP can visit the site* (without a
VPN) so there must surely be SOMETHING untoward happening there!

A website shouldn't be able to do anything untoward.Â* Unless your
browser is a piece of ****.

The website belonging to Beauregard T. Shagnasty can, and DOES, do
untoward things!

No matter WHICH browser I have used!

Such things can only occur if there's a security hole, which browser
writers should be fixing ****ing sharpish.Â* Perhaps you should report
all these instances to the browser people so they can protect the next
version from him and any other miscreants.Â* Also, your AV program should
also be able to block such things.Â* So that's TWO failures.

The Gurus on the ASC recommend that one should *NOT* use AV software on
an Apple computer.

I trust you have enjoyed the recent cold snap! ;-)