End of free Win10?

On 11/29/2017 7:24 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:


My friend is on dialup and would benefit from the .iso.

You've got to be joking.

Windows 10 is not designed to be maintained on a dialup
connection. It is also not designed to work on old
computers, computers with hard drives, CPUs less than
quad cores, and so on. It's not a pleasant experience
unless you're Bill Gates and have top-flight toys
and facilities for it.

Be glad you're not getting the OS.

The delivery mechanisms Microsoft offers, are intended
to avoid the "unworthy". If you're rural, on weak ADSL
or on dialup, you'll never buy Microsoft's Cloud
Storage package for $70 or whatever. You don't represent
a good enough revenue stream.

So once you get that ISO, what the hell are you going
to do with it ? Yes, the OS will boot, the tiles
will try to download 100MB of stuff to "kick off
their day", and that user ? Sunk. No BW left for
checking the weather or anything else.

Heidoc can give you access to an extensive set of
ISOs. The program offered is a URL generator. You
select what you want, then click one of the two
"copy to clipboard" buttons. Then, flip over to
a real browser, insert the URL from the clipboard,
and start your download. The Techbench URLs from
Microsoft are valid for 24 hours from the point that
you click "Copy to clipboard".

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool


Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe
Version: 5.27
Release Date: 20 November 2017
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x,
Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

Dismiss the Heidoc window, as soon as you get the URL
and put it in the actual browser for the download.

Paul

My bad.
Communication is a tricky process whereby the sender attempts to
lead the receiver to the desired conclusion. I often say things
that are not precisely, exactly true, but are functionally equivalent
in the current context and easier to comprehend,
in an attempt to evoke the correct
conclusion in the receiver and focus the discussion.
The desired conclusion is that an online upgrade is not feasible.

I should know better to do that in the newsgroups, where people
are more likely to nitpick your words and intent and go off on a tangent
instead of helping answer your question.
My attempt to focus has had the opposite effect. My Bad...

The Precise situation is that my friend moved to the boonies and
has 4G-LTE access with a limited data budget.
The conclusion is the same, he ain't gonna download 3GB of stuff
to install the OS on each system.

I'm not interested in arguing about the proclivities of windows 10
in any particular application. I just want to help get the
digital entitlement. We're all gonna be on win10 eventually.
Resistance is futile...

Now, back to the question...

Yesterday, I installed/activated win7. I clicked the link on the
'assistive techlology' page. Win10 was installed and activated without
incident.

During the first year, I updated many systems using the iso created by the
media creation tool. I recently installed win10 on a system
and it didn't activate as before. Don't remember whether it was
an upgrade or fresh install.

Without activation, win10 seems to work fine, except for a few
customization issues. I'd just do that if I had confidence it would
continue to work in the future.

If I recall correctly, the upgrades provide by media creation tool isos
no longer activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
Online upgrades from the assistive technology page do activate.

I'd just try it, but I no longer have any systems that can accept win10
and don't already have digital entitlement.
I'd like to know that I have a usable DVD before making the 2-hour trip to
deliver it.

So, I was looking for a way to get a CURRENT version iso upgrade
from win7 Pro to to win10
that I'm sure will activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
An older version that instantly requires a complete upgrade to the
current version won't be as effective.

Do we KNOW that the iso available via heidoc will do this?
And exactly which one?

mike wrote:
On 11/29/2017 7:24 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:


My friend is on dialup and would benefit from the .iso.

You've got to be joking.

Windows 10 is not designed to be maintained on a dialup
connection. It is also not designed to work on old
computers, computers with hard drives, CPUs less than
quad cores, and so on. It's not a pleasant experience
unless you're Bill Gates and have top-flight toys
and facilities for it.

Be glad you're not getting the OS.

The delivery mechanisms Microsoft offers, are intended
to avoid the "unworthy". If you're rural, on weak ADSL
or on dialup, you'll never buy Microsoft's Cloud
Storage package for $70 or whatever. You don't represent
a good enough revenue stream.

So once you get that ISO, what the hell are you going
to do with it ? Yes, the OS will boot, the tiles
will try to download 100MB of stuff to "kick off
their day", and that user ? Sunk. No BW left for
checking the weather or anything else.

Heidoc can give you access to an extensive set of
ISOs. The program offered is a URL generator. You
select what you want, then click one of the two
"copy to clipboard" buttons. Then, flip over to
a real browser, insert the URL from the clipboard,
and start your download. The Techbench URLs from
Microsoft are valid for 24 hours from the point that
you click "Copy to clipboard".

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool



Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe
Version: 5.27
Release Date: 20 November 2017
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x,
Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

Dismiss the Heidoc window, as soon as you get the URL
and put it in the actual browser for the download.

Paul

My bad.
Communication is a tricky process whereby the sender attempts to
lead the receiver to the desired conclusion. I often say things
that are not precisely, exactly true, but are functionally equivalent
in the current context and easier to comprehend,
in an attempt to evoke the correct
conclusion in the receiver and focus the discussion.
The desired conclusion is that an online upgrade is not feasible.

I should know better to do that in the newsgroups, where people
are more likely to nitpick your words and intent and go off on a tangent
instead of helping answer your question.
My attempt to focus has had the opposite effect. My Bad...

The Precise situation is that my friend moved to the boonies and
has 4G-LTE access with a limited data budget.
The conclusion is the same, he ain't gonna download 3GB of stuff
to install the OS on each system.

I'm not interested in arguing about the proclivities of windows 10
in any particular application. I just want to help get the
digital entitlement. We're all gonna be on win10 eventually.
Resistance is futile...

Now, back to the question...

Yesterday, I installed/activated win7. I clicked the link on the
'assistive techlology' page. Win10 was installed and activated without
incident.

During the first year, I updated many systems using the iso created by the
media creation tool. I recently installed win10 on a system
and it didn't activate as before. Don't remember whether it was
an upgrade or fresh install.

Without activation, win10 seems to work fine, except for a few
customization issues. I'd just do that if I had confidence it would
continue to work in the future.

If I recall correctly, the upgrades provide by media creation tool isos
no longer activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
Online upgrades from the assistive technology page do activate.

I'd just try it, but I no longer have any systems that can accept win10
and don't already have digital entitlement.
I'd like to know that I have a usable DVD before making the 2-hour trip to
deliver it.

So, I was looking for a way to get a CURRENT version iso upgrade
from win7 Pro to to win10
that I'm sure will activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
An older version that instantly requires a complete upgrade to the
current version won't be as effective.

Do we KNOW that the iso available via heidoc will do this?
And exactly which one?

OK, here is a preliminary analysis.

Windows10Upgrade24074.exe

only runs on a qualifying OS. It unpacks itself into C:\Windows10Upgrade.

I ended up running it on the laptop, which had already been
upgraded from Win10, so I put the Win7 SP1 disk back in it.

Unfortunately, it doesn't offer a DVD and goes straight to
messing with the disk drive. The following directory contains
a "similar-to-DVD" set of files, and *maybe* running Setup.exe
in here while on the client Win7 computer, would cause an
Upgrade Install to occur.

C:\$GetCurrent
Logs
SafeOS
Media
setup.exe
sources
install.esd 3,467,759,758 bytes

Now, while that is an ESD, 7ZIP could open it so it's more
likely to be a mis-named WIM. In any case, I could drill down.

For comparison media, I used

Win10_1709_English_x64.iso 4,697,362,432 bytes

That one contains

sources
install.wim 4,110,623,249 bytes

Now, when you drill into those install.xxx files, they
both say:

16299.15

NAMEWindows 10 S/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 S N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home Single Language/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Education/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Education N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Pro N/NAME

So they contain nine images, using overlays so they all
fit into the DVD.

On the install.esd however, if I pick index number 8,
this is the directory count and size. The Windows10Upgrade24074
version has more folders and more bytes listed, than the
install.wim from Win10_1709_English_x64.iso .

ESD

IMAGE INDEX="8"
DIRCOUNT21224/DIRCOUNT
FILECOUNT105992/FILECOUNT
TOTALBYTES15930702763/TOTALBYTES
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME

WIM

IMAGE INDEX="8"
DIRCOUNT20444/DIRCOUNT
FILECOUNT101278/FILECOUNT
TOTALBYTES15746775851/TOTALBYTES
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME

Anyway, that's a capsule summary at the moment. They're
not the same. But, what are they ? Why the difference ?
Dunno at the moment.

In any case, at this point in time, nothing sticks out
about the Windows10Upgrade24074 version to make it special.
There's no DVD though, and is that $GetCurrent it dumps,
going to be enough to do an install with ? If I try that
on an unlicensed Win7 VM, it's probably going to bitch
at me.

Paul

"Paul" wrote in message news
mike wrote:
On 11/29/2017 7:24 PM, Paul wrote:
mike wrote:


My friend is on dialup and would benefit from the .iso.

You've got to be joking.

Windows 10 is not designed to be maintained on a dialup
connection. It is also not designed to work on old
computers, computers with hard drives, CPUs less than
quad cores, and so on. It's not a pleasant experience
unless you're Bill Gates and have top-flight toys
and facilities for it.

Be glad you're not getting the OS.

The delivery mechanisms Microsoft offers, are intended
to avoid the "unworthy". If you're rural, on weak ADSL
or on dialup, you'll never buy Microsoft's Cloud
Storage package for $70 or whatever. You don't represent
a good enough revenue stream.

So once you get that ISO, what the hell are you going
to do with it ? Yes, the OS will boot, the tiles
will try to download 100MB of stuff to "kick off
their day", and that user ? Sunk. No BW left for
checking the weather or anything else.

Heidoc can give you access to an extensive set of
ISOs. The program offered is a URL generator. You
select what you want, then click one of the two
"copy to clipboard" buttons. Then, flip over to
a real browser, insert the URL from the clipboard,
and start your download. The Techbench URLs from
Microsoft are valid for 24 hours from the point that
you click "Copy to clipboard".

https://www.heidoc.net/joomla/techno...-download-tool


Download: Windows ISO Downloader.exe
Version: 5.27
Release Date: 20 November 2017
Requirements: Windows 7 or newer, .NET Framework 4.x,
Internet Explorer 8 or newer.

Dismiss the Heidoc window, as soon as you get the URL
and put it in the actual browser for the download.

Paul

My bad.
Communication is a tricky process whereby the sender attempts to
lead the receiver to the desired conclusion. I often say things
that are not precisely, exactly true, but are functionally equivalent
in the current context and easier to comprehend,
in an attempt to evoke the correct
conclusion in the receiver and focus the discussion.
The desired conclusion is that an online upgrade is not feasible.

I should know better to do that in the newsgroups, where people
are more likely to nitpick your words and intent and go off on a tangent
instead of helping answer your question.
My attempt to focus has had the opposite effect. My Bad...

The Precise situation is that my friend moved to the boonies and
has 4G-LTE access with a limited data budget.
The conclusion is the same, he ain't gonna download 3GB of stuff
to install the OS on each system.

I'm not interested in arguing about the proclivities of windows 10
in any particular application. I just want to help get the
digital entitlement. We're all gonna be on win10 eventually.
Resistance is futile...

Now, back to the question...

Yesterday, I installed/activated win7. I clicked the link on the
'assistive techlology' page. Win10 was installed and activated without
incident.

During the first year, I updated many systems using the iso created by the
media creation tool. I recently installed win10 on a system
and it didn't activate as before. Don't remember whether it was
an upgrade or fresh install.

Without activation, win10 seems to work fine, except for a few
customization issues. I'd just do that if I had confidence it would
continue to work in the future.

If I recall correctly, the upgrades provide by media creation tool isos no
longer activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
Online upgrades from the assistive technology page do activate.

I'd just try it, but I no longer have any systems that can accept win10
and don't already have digital entitlement.
I'd like to know that I have a usable DVD before making the 2-hour trip to
deliver it.

So, I was looking for a way to get a CURRENT version iso upgrade
from win7 Pro to to win10
that I'm sure will activate under the assistive technology umbrella.
An older version that instantly requires a complete upgrade to the
current version won't be as effective.

Do we KNOW that the iso available via heidoc will do this?
And exactly which one?

OK, here is a preliminary analysis.

Windows10Upgrade24074.exe

only runs on a qualifying OS. It unpacks itself into C:\Windows10Upgrade.

I ended up running it on the laptop, which had already been
upgraded from Win10, so I put the Win7 SP1 disk back in it.

Unfortunately, it doesn't offer a DVD and goes straight to
messing with the disk drive. The following directory contains
a "similar-to-DVD" set of files, and *maybe* running Setup.exe
in here while on the client Win7 computer, would cause an
Upgrade Install to occur.

C:\$GetCurrent
Logs
SafeOS
Media
setup.exe
sources
install.esd 3,467,759,758 bytes

Now, while that is an ESD, 7ZIP could open it so it's more
likely to be a mis-named WIM. In any case, I could drill down.

For comparison media, I used

Win10_1709_English_x64.iso 4,697,362,432 bytes

That one contains

sources
install.wim 4,110,623,249 bytes

Now, when you drill into those install.xxx files, they
both say:

16299.15

NAMEWindows 10 S/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 S N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Home Single Language/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Education/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Education N/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME
NAMEWindows 10 Pro N/NAME

So they contain nine images, using overlays so they all
fit into the DVD.

On the install.esd however, if I pick index number 8,
this is the directory count and size. The Windows10Upgrade24074
version has more folders and more bytes listed, than the
install.wim from Win10_1709_English_x64.iso .

ESD

IMAGE INDEX="8"
DIRCOUNT21224/DIRCOUNT
FILECOUNT105992/FILECOUNT
TOTALBYTES15930702763/TOTALBYTES
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME

WIM

IMAGE INDEX="8"
DIRCOUNT20444/DIRCOUNT
FILECOUNT101278/FILECOUNT
TOTALBYTES15746775851/TOTALBYTES
NAMEWindows 10 Pro/NAME

Anyway, that's a capsule summary at the moment. They're
not the same. But, what are they ? Why the difference ?
Dunno at the moment.

In any case, at this point in time, nothing sticks out
about the Windows10Upgrade24074 version to make it special.
There's no DVD though, and is that $GetCurrent it dumps,
going to be enough to do an install with ? If I try that
on an unlicensed Win7 VM, it's probably going to bitch
at me.

Paul

I'll clarify what I said about an .iso from the Assistive Technology site in
case I gave the impression that I downloaded it from there. I downloaded it
from a link they provided. To make sure I have the correct info, I opened a
chat session tonight with the assistive tech and asked about downloading an
..iso file that could be given to another person that would still activate
after they did the upgrade.

The tech provided two links.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=822784
https://download.microsoft.com/downl...eationTool.exe

One a download for a Media Creation tool (that doesn't work) and a second
link to download a "Windows10Upgrade24074.exe" tool that will start the
download of the 3GB+ files needed to upgrade without any option to save to
USB or .iso file. When I asked if using either of these on a Win7 system
would it activate - here's her response:

"Kristine I
You can use the link I provided so there will be no activation issues after
the upgrade."

and her response after I asked for a .iso file that will still activate:

"Kristine I
You can use this link to download an ISO file:
https://download.microsoft.com/download/A/B/E/ABEE70FE-7DE8-472A-8893-5F69947DE0B1/MediaCreationTool.exe"

But when I did the same (not to long ago) I did download and install the
upgrade on one of my test systems and compared it to the system I downloaded
and installed directly from the assistive tech site and found no difference
after the upgrade.

Paul provided in-depth detail of specific file downloads. I didn't go that
deep, I looked at the EULA and the license which said it was activated and
no differences on the Properties screen.

So the bottom line - (despite what MS tech said to me tonight and before)
you can only upgrade and activate by downloading directly from the assistive
tech site. Using either of the other download tools results in no
activation now. If someone has a different experience, please post how you
did it.

Bob S.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:24:54 -0500, Paul
wrote:

mike wrote:


My friend is on dialup and would benefit from the .iso.

You've got to be joking.

Windows 10 is not designed to be maintained on a dialup
connection. It is also not designed to work on old
computers, computers with hard drives, CPUs less than
quad cores, and so on. It's not a pleasant experience
unless you're Bill Gates and have top-flight toys
and facilities for it.

That is incorrect. Windows 10 requires only a 1Ghz processor and 1GB
of RAM. I have Windows 10 running on a Pentium 1.8 and 1 GB RAM
and an 80 GB hard drive.

Be glad you're not getting the OS.

The delivery mechanisms Microsoft offers, are intended
to avoid the "unworthy". If you're rural, on weak ADSL
or on dialup, you'll never buy Microsoft's Cloud
Storage package for $70 or whatever. You don't represent
a good enough revenue stream.

So once you get that ISO, what the hell are you going
to do with it ? Yes, the OS will boot, the tiles
will try to download 100MB of stuff to "kick off
their day", and that user ? Sunk. No BW left for
checking the weather or anything else.

Rubbish.

Paul

mike wrote:


The WHOLE POINT of the process is that I want to achieve a free digital
entitlement for a machine under the assistive technology umbrella,
or any other umbrella, without downloading gigabytes of stuff at the
machine site.
THAT'S ALL!
It does not matter one whit what gets installed. Win 10 can be
easily reinstalled later using a DVD assembled by media creation tool
after the digital entitlement is achieved.
Digital entitlement is the ONLY objective of my quest.

I cannot verify and give you an iron clad guarantee
of anything, unless I have a Windows 7 license to burn.
And if I did that, every time someone asked this style
of question, I'd need like $10K worth of Win7 licenses.

I don't feel there is anything magic about either
version. I don't think they added something to it, to
make it behave differently.

However, for best odds, you should follow Bob_S
suggestion of a source of yet another DVD and
try that one. (At least one of Bob_S links, if
you Google it, it's just a conventional MediaCreationTool
download link. Nothing special.) So as far as I'm concerned,
the Windows10Upgrade24074.exe "live upgrade" executable
is more likely to work (coming from the accessibility page),
than the other link which has come in the past from the
"unwashed masses" download page.

If there was "local magic" involved, there would
be recipes in circulation. The only way for Microsoft
to practically manage this, is enforce whatever rules
they want from the server end, using their powers
of telemetry to gather circumstantial evidence
as the situation dictates. Adding a "special EXE"
to make an Accessiblity Version, would be a dumb
thing to do.

The two pieces of media I examined, had a lot in
common. They both had nine versions of OS on the
same disc (all neatly sharing files with one
another). There wasn't any overt indication of
"specialness" at that level. It just looked like
some sloppy DISM work, in making the Windows10Upgrade24074.exe
version.

*******

https://www.howtogeek.com/265409/you...sibility-site/

If you use Windows10Upgrade24074.exe on a clone of the
Win7 disc you used to update your home machine ("donkey");
you can carry the process along before it offers to
reboot (30 minute timer), and the contents of the
C:\$GetCurrent folder and its Setup.exe are the same
as if you did the 3GB+ download at the (remote) install
site. You take C:\$GetCurrent to the remote site (but
you might as well carry the entire hard drive with its
~13GB of installed files, just in case).

According to HowToGeek, it's the honor system, with
activation supposedly "in any case".

I got the link to that page, from this page.

https://www.howtogeek.com/197559/how...10-on-your-pc/

Paul

On 01/12/2017 16:50, mike wrote:

The WHOLE POINT of the process is that I want to achieve a free digital
entitlement for a machine under the assistive technology umbrella,
or any other umbrella, without downloading gigabytes of stuff at the
machine site.


It's been pointed out elsewhere that the free upgrade has stopped and
people need to buy a retail legitimate license if they are still
desperate to get Windows 10.

Alternatively, they need to buy a new laptop or desktop from big brand
distributors like DELL, HP, Sony, Toshiba etc and their machines come
preloaded, pre-installed with Windows 10. The Christmas sell is now on
and you can get a very good system for almost nothing because they too
are desperate to clear their stocks for end of year stock take and
before January re-stoking.!!!!

People have been very stupid not to upgrade when it was readily
available but the rules have changed as Microsoft realised that there
are many nutters and idiots who are using Windows 10 machines when they
should be using Linux. In fact Microsoft wants to push for "Microsoft
Linux" but licensing is getting very difficult with Linus Torvalds who
is refusing Microsoft to change its kernal so that Microsoft can sell
Office products subscriptions and other products as well. Without
proper activation system in Linux, Microsoft can't sell its products and
so you can't have Microsoft Linux yet.

--
With over 500 million devices now running Windows 10, customer
satisfaction is higher than any previous version of windows.

"Lucifer Morningstar" wrote in message
news
On Wed, 29 Nov 2017 22:24:54 -0500, Paul
wrote:

mike wrote:


My friend is on dialup and would benefit from the .iso.

You've got to be joking.

Windows 10 is not designed to be maintained on a dialup
connection. It is also not designed to work on old
computers, computers with hard drives, CPUs less than
quad cores, and so on. It's not a pleasant experience
unless you're Bill Gates and have top-flight toys
and facilities for it.

That is incorrect. Windows 10 requires only a 1Ghz processor and 1GB
of RAM. I have Windows 10 running on a Pentium 1.8 and 1 GB RAM
and an 80 GB hard drive.

Be glad you're not getting the OS.

The delivery mechanisms Microsoft offers, are intended
to avoid the "unworthy". If you're rural, on weak ADSL
or on dialup, you'll never buy Microsoft's Cloud
Storage package for $70 or whatever. You don't represent
a good enough revenue stream.

So once you get that ISO, what the hell are you going
to do with it ? Yes, the OS will boot, the tiles
will try to download 100MB of stuff to "kick off
their day", and that user ? Sunk. No BW left for
checking the weather or anything else.

Rubbish.

Paul


Lucifer,

I think you missed the humor of Paul's post. He's certainly aware of the
minimum requirements but stated what should be obvious - if you're on
dial-up and have a Win7 setup you're most likely better off staying with
Win7 and avoid the 3GB+ downloads. But that is a decision everyone has to
make on their own since some pay by the GB downloaded and the bills can get
hefty when it comes to wireless dial-up in rural areas as my friend has
experienced. It would have been about the same cost to just purchase a
Win10 Home license than pay for the bandwidth for the upgrade.

Bob S.