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Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:09:30 -0700 from Ken Blake, MVP
: Richard, I completely agree with everything you say. But I also agree with what I think was Stan's main point. He said "people say 'there is no DOS' and then stop." It's the "...and then stop" that I think he was driving at, since if all you say is "there is no DOS," you are not really helping the person to do what he wants to accomplish. Bingo. If we're here to be helpful, then it is important not to punish people for not phrasing their questions with perfect vocabulary, but rather to look behind the form of words at what they are actually trying to do. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:57:30 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. There is a reason for the official vocabulary, and anybody trying to move beyond casual use should learn it, and the reason for it. There is a reason for everything, including, "All hands to the left!" That won't fly aboard a ship as a quarter of the crew will be facing one of four ways, and all will move to their left; not the desired result. "All hands to port!" will get the desired result, of course. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:57:30 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. There is a reason for the official vocabulary, and anybody trying to move beyond casual use should learn it, and the reason for it. There is a reason for everything, including, "All hands to the left!" That won't fly aboard a ship as a quarter of the crew will be facing one of four ways, and all will move to their left; not the desired result. "All hands to port!" will get the desired result, of course. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:00:41 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
Bingo. If we're here to be helpful, then it is important not to punish people for not phrasing their questions with perfect vocabulary, but rather to look behind the form of words at what they are actually trying to do. So. Teach them the lingo as you instruct them how to do something. So they will know, next time around. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:00:41 -0400, Stan Brown wrote:
Bingo. If we're here to be helpful, then it is important not to punish people for not phrasing their questions with perfect vocabulary, but rather to look behind the form of words at what they are actually trying to do. So. Teach them the lingo as you instruct them how to do something. So they will know, next time around. -- Norman ~Oh Lord, why have you come ~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:57:30 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:53:07 -0700 from Malke : Because the OP asked if there was a way to get out of Windows and into DOS like you could in Win9x/ME. Unlike you, I *did* answer his question. He apparently can't use the gui and your way won't be useful if that is the case. If you hadn't "conveniently" snipped the rest of my answer, it would be apparent to you. And here it is! Surprise! "If you can't get into Windows proper, you might be able to accomplish your task by booting into Safe Mode Command Prompt. This will give you the command prompt without a gui and you can use XCopy from there." As I said, you answered the literal words of his question but not what the real question actually was. You can't really believe that the OP really wanted to reboot, as opposed to opening a command window within Windows. You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. Malke is a lady . Stan Brown - plonk |
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:57:30 -0400, Stan Brown
wrote: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:53:07 -0700 from Malke : Because the OP asked if there was a way to get out of Windows and into DOS like you could in Win9x/ME. Unlike you, I *did* answer his question. He apparently can't use the gui and your way won't be useful if that is the case. If you hadn't "conveniently" snipped the rest of my answer, it would be apparent to you. And here it is! Surprise! "If you can't get into Windows proper, you might be able to accomplish your task by booting into Safe Mode Command Prompt. This will give you the command prompt without a gui and you can use XCopy from there." As I said, you answered the literal words of his question but not what the real question actually was. You can't really believe that the OP really wanted to reboot, as opposed to opening a command window within Windows. You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. Malke is a lady . Stan Brown - plonk |
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You sure do make a lot of erroneous assumptions.
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:53:07 -0700 from Malke : Because the OP asked if there was a way to get out of Windows and into DOS like you could in Win9x/ME. Unlike you, I *did* answer his question. He apparently can't use the gui and your way won't be useful if that is the case. If you hadn't "conveniently" snipped the rest of my answer, it would be apparent to you. And here it is! Surprise! "If you can't get into Windows proper, you might be able to accomplish your task by booting into Safe Mode Command Prompt. This will give you the command prompt without a gui and you can use XCopy from there." As I said, you answered the literal words of his question but not what the real question actually was. You can't really believe that the OP really wanted to reboot, as opposed to opening a command window within Windows. You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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You sure do make a lot of erroneous assumptions.
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Sun, 20 Sep 2009 14:53:07 -0700 from Malke : Because the OP asked if there was a way to get out of Windows and into DOS like you could in Win9x/ME. Unlike you, I *did* answer his question. He apparently can't use the gui and your way won't be useful if that is the case. If you hadn't "conveniently" snipped the rest of my answer, it would be apparent to you. And here it is! Surprise! "If you can't get into Windows proper, you might be able to accomplish your task by booting into Safe Mode Command Prompt. This will give you the command prompt without a gui and you can use XCopy from there." As I said, you answered the literal words of his question but not what the real question actually was. You can't really believe that the OP really wanted to reboot, as opposed to opening a command window within Windows. You're a smart guy, and I know you want to be helpful, but I believe that exalting form over substance because newbies don't know the official vocabulary doesn't help them most effectively. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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As you often do?
"Twayne" wrote in message ... "N. Miller" wrote in message On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:10:23 -0400, Stan Brown wrote: I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Like the "hard disc", "power unit", "CPU", and such for the system unit? I don't know that there is a proper term for the "tower", but it is much more than just a "hard disc", "power unit", or "CPU". It is all of those, plus I/O system, all in one box. Which is why "system unit" for that box is as good a term as any. I have a friend who keeps referring to removable media as, "tapes". Matters not whether it is a floppy disc, CD, or DVD. It goes into a slot in the system unit, much as an old eight-track, so, to her, it is a, "tape". But it is hard for us geeks to understand what they mean, more often than not. There is a reason for techno-jargon. But their meaning is often in their content and context if one bothers to pay attention rather than showing off. |
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As you often do?
"Twayne" wrote in message ... "N. Miller" wrote in message On Sun, 20 Sep 2009 17:10:23 -0400, Stan Brown wrote: I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Like the "hard disc", "power unit", "CPU", and such for the system unit? I don't know that there is a proper term for the "tower", but it is much more than just a "hard disc", "power unit", or "CPU". It is all of those, plus I/O system, all in one box. Which is why "system unit" for that box is as good a term as any. I have a friend who keeps referring to removable media as, "tapes". Matters not whether it is a floppy disc, CD, or DVD. It goes into a slot in the system unit, much as an old eight-track, so, to her, it is a, "tape". But it is hard for us geeks to understand what they mean, more often than not. There is a reason for techno-jargon. But their meaning is often in their content and context if one bothers to pay attention rather than showing off. |
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You mean 'continue to assume' what the are trying to say?
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:09:30 -0700 from Ken Blake, MVP : Richard, I completely agree with everything you say. But I also agree with what I think was Stan's main point. He said "people say 'there is no DOS' and then stop." It's the "...and then stop" that I think he was driving at, since if all you say is "there is no DOS," you are not really helping the person to do what he wants to accomplish. Bingo. If we're here to be helpful, then it is important not to punish people for not phrasing their questions with perfect vocabulary, but rather to look behind the form of words at what they are actually trying to do. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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You mean 'continue to assume' what the are trying to say?
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t... Mon, 21 Sep 2009 07:09:30 -0700 from Ken Blake, MVP : Richard, I completely agree with everything you say. But I also agree with what I think was Stan's main point. He said "people say 'there is no DOS' and then stop." It's the "...and then stop" that I think he was driving at, since if all you say is "there is no DOS," you are not really helping the person to do what he wants to accomplish. Bingo. If we're here to be helpful, then it is important not to punish people for not phrasing their questions with perfect vocabulary, but rather to look behind the form of words at what they are actually trying to do. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai... |
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On Sep 21, 6:48*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". *Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. *It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. *The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF *DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. *It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. * *Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. *Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. |
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On Sep 21, 6:48*pm, "Twayne" wrote:
"Stan Brown" wrote in message t Sun, 20 Sep 2009 08:53:41 -0700 from Malke : navnah wrote: How do you leave windows to return to DOS prompt? I need to use DOS XCOPY command to back up damaged files. There is no DOS in Windows XP so you can't do this as you could in Win9x/ME. Or, to answer what the OP really wants to know, click Start | Programs | Accessories | Command prompt. If it's not there, click Start | Run and enter this command cmd /k then click OK I will never understand why normally helpful people say "there is no DOS" and then stop, when they know perfectly well that everyone but a few use "DOS" as a short term for "the command prompt". *Is it technically accurate? no, but neither are lots of short forms of speech. Actually, Microsoft describes the Command Prompt as a DOS window too, in so many places one could never count them. *It's even in the Help & Support area on your own computer. *The proper definition is that XP is not BUILT ON TOP OF *DOS as other windws versions were and thus is not DOS based as other windows versions were. *It does in fact still have a DOS window, found in the Command Prompt, and today it is much more than a simple DOS emulator since it has many many more possible commands at the user's disposal. * *Purists such as you encountered are silly and nonsensical beings in that they have no wish to help the OP but rather only wish to show their own egoes to the world. *Who cares? You tell them, Twayne. DOS works with XP. If I can move stuff around, get rid of files etc that won't move in Windows, et al......I have DOS!!!! Pseudo or whatever the so-called MS fundi's want to call it.......it's freakin' DOS!! Just because MS used the story as a sales pitch (people were scared of DOS) "Windows XP has no DOS" these afore- mentioned fundis use the same dogma, "No such thing as DOS in....." till they begin to actually believe their chant. |
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