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  #1  
Old April 25th 14, 09:50 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.

Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?


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  #2  
Old April 25th 14, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Paul
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.

Big Al wrote:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?


Look for a log file from DISM ?

Paul

  #3  
Old April 25th 14, 11:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.


Paul said on 4/25/2014 5:38 PM:
Big Al wrote:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry
hacks or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup,
malwarebytes etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?


Look for a log file from DISM ?

Paul

I'll try that, might tell me what it fixed, but I'm interested in what
caused the problem.
  #4  
Old April 26th 14, 12:36 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.


Big Al said on 4/25/2014 6:58 PM:

Paul said on 4/25/2014 5:38 PM:
Big Al wrote:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry
hacks or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup,
malwarebytes etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?


Look for a log file from DISM ?

Paul

I'll try that, might tell me what it fixed, but I'm interested in what
caused the problem.

Well, I'm surely not geek enough to read the log. Seems like it was
checking the updates store and found issues. It listed a long list of
KB####### items. At the end of the list some cleanup failed.

Info DISM Update Cleanup UI: PID=6292 TID=6620 Update Cleanup
executed online/ ui. - CUpdateCleanup::Purge
Info DISM DISM Package Manager: PID=3400 TID=6640 CBS session
options=0x401100! - CDISMPackageManager::Internal_Finalize
Info DISM DISM Package Manager: PID=3400 TID=6612 Error in
operation: (null) (CBS HRESULT=0x80073712) - CCbsConUIHandler::Error
Error DISM DISM Package Manager: PID=3400 TID=6640 Failed finalizing
changes. - CDISMPackageManager::Internal_Finalize(hr:0x800737 12)
Error DISM DISM Package Manager: PID=3400 TID=6640 Failed processing
package changes - CDISMPackageManager::WindowsUpdateCleanup(hr:0x800 73712)
Info DISM Update Cleanup UI: PID=6292 TID=6620 Exit Code 80073712 -
CUpdateCleanup::Purge
Info DISM Update Cleanup UI: PID=6292 TID=6620 Execute Time 145
Seconds - CUpdateCleanup::Purge
Error DISM Update Cleanup UI: PID=6292 TID=6620
ProcessChangesWithOptions failed 80073712. -
CUpdateCleanup::Purge(hr:0x80073712)


Kinda looks like it had to run the CUpdate Cleanup twice.
  #5  
Old April 26th 14, 12:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.

Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 4:50 PM:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?



Unknown at this time. In fact, there's no guarantee that a successful
cleanup and install of 2919355 and subsequent run of the
StartCompnentCleanup command won't re-corrupt the component store.

cf. http://thehotfixshare.net/board/inde...howtopic=21423
qp
dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

After kb2919355 is installed, you MUST NOT use StartComponentCleanup, as
that command actually CAUSES Component Store corruption.
/qp

Just so all are on the same page..
The StartComponentCleanup method was introduced with Windows 8 and runs
automatically.
cf. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../dn251565.aspx
qp
The StartComponentCleanup task was created in Windows 8 to regularly
clean up components automatically when the system is not in use.
/qp





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  #6  
Old April 26th 14, 01:27 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.


....winston said on 4/25/2014 7:55 PM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 4:50 PM:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes
etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?



Unknown at this time. In fact, there's no guarantee that a successful
cleanup and install of 2919355 and subsequent run of the
StartCompnentCleanup command won't re-corrupt the component store.

cf. http://thehotfixshare.net/board/inde...howtopic=21423
qp
dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

After kb2919355 is installed, you MUST NOT use StartComponentCleanup, as
that command actually CAUSES Component Store corruption.
/qp

Just so all are on the same page..
The StartComponentCleanup method was introduced with Windows 8 and runs
automatically.
cf. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../dn251565.aspx
qp
The StartComponentCleanup task was created in Windows 8 to regularly
clean up components automatically when the system is not in use.
/qp



So if I read you right, Cleanup MAY corrupt, and windows does this
automatically now, so basically I'm screwed!!


  #7  
Old April 26th 14, 07:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
...winston[_2_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.

Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 8:27 PM:

...winston said on 4/25/2014 7:55 PM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 4:50 PM:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes
etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?



Unknown at this time. In fact, there's no guarantee that a successful
cleanup and install of 2919355 and subsequent run of the
StartCompnentCleanup command won't re-corrupt the component store.

cf. http://thehotfixshare.net/board/inde...howtopic=21423
qp
dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

After kb2919355 is installed, you MUST NOT use StartComponentCleanup, as
that command actually CAUSES Component Store corruption.
/qp

Just so all are on the same page..
The StartComponentCleanup method was introduced with Windows 8 and runs
automatically.
cf. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../dn251565.aspx
qp
The StartComponentCleanup task was created in Windows 8 to regularly
clean up components automatically when the system is not in use.
/qp



So if I read you right, Cleanup MAY corrupt, and windows does this
automatically now, so basically I'm screwed!!



Not entirely
- a corrupt component store doesn't necessarily imply that Windows
won't function
- automatic cleanup since it has been in existence and automatically
run for the life of Win8 obviously doesn't cause corruption on every
single machine
** Corruption is a cause of the installation failures for 8.1 Update
1. Since 8.1 Updates have been successful it would seem apparent that
not all automatic cleanups cause corruption.
- the article does not state if the StartComponentCleanup command
corrupts the component store every time its run (i.e. it can cause it).
Nor did the article claim that it validated the cause.

i.e. There's a significant amount of unknowns surrounding this subject,
thus its probably appropriate to be aware of it and implement a sound
plan to back up the entire o/s on a regular basis.


--
...winston
msft mvp consumer apps
  #8  
Old April 26th 14, 03:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.


....winston said on 4/26/2014 2:03 AM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 8:27 PM:

...winston said on 4/25/2014 7:55 PM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 4:50 PM:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry
hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes
etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?



Unknown at this time. In fact, there's no guarantee that a successful
cleanup and install of 2919355 and subsequent run of the
StartCompnentCleanup command won't re-corrupt the component store.

cf. http://thehotfixshare.net/board/inde...howtopic=21423
qp
dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

After kb2919355 is installed, you MUST NOT use StartComponentCleanup, as
that command actually CAUSES Component Store corruption.
/qp

Just so all are on the same page..
The StartComponentCleanup method was introduced with Windows 8 and runs
automatically.
cf. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../dn251565.aspx
qp
The StartComponentCleanup task was created in Windows 8 to regularly
clean up components automatically when the system is not in use.
/qp



So if I read you right, Cleanup MAY corrupt, and windows does this
automatically now, so basically I'm screwed!!



Not entirely
- a corrupt component store doesn't necessarily imply that Windows
won't function
- automatic cleanup since it has been in existence and automatically
run for the life of Win8 obviously doesn't cause corruption on every
single machine
** Corruption is a cause of the installation failures for 8.1 Update
1. Since 8.1 Updates have been successful it would seem apparent that
not all automatic cleanups cause corruption.
- the article does not state if the StartComponentCleanup command
corrupts the component store every time its run (i.e. it can cause it).
Nor did the article claim that it validated the cause.

i.e. There's a significant amount of unknowns surrounding this subject,
thus its probably appropriate to be aware of it and implement a sound
plan to back up the entire o/s on a regular basis.


Well either way, I've got a reliable monthly backup running. That's
the easy way to solve the issue. If I read all this right, sounds
like MS did get the message, now maybe they'll fix it?! One can only hope.

  #9  
Old April 26th 14, 03:24 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
Big Al[_5_]
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Default I Gotta ask about KB2919355 update.


....winston said on 4/26/2014 2:03 AM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 8:27 PM:

...winston said on 4/25/2014 7:55 PM:
Big Al wrote, On 4/25/2014 4:50 PM:
Yes, some people are having issues, I easily know this. I personally
have two different laptops, VIAO and Dell, one OEM and one the $39.99
download. The only common thread is the OS and the household and I
guess mostly ME that does maintenance on them. No nasty registry
hacks
or cleaners etc., just plain ole defrag and disk cleanup, malwarebytes
etc.

Both machines had a corrupt component store and both failed to install
and I needed to do the DISM .... command to clean it up.

My question for the real knowing people: do we know why or what
corrupted or can corrupt that store? I'm kinda pointing a finger at
me or questioning at least, is there some program I'm using that is
screwing with things that make this happen?



Unknown at this time. In fact, there's no guarantee that a successful
cleanup and install of 2919355 and subsequent run of the
StartCompnentCleanup command won't re-corrupt the component store.

cf. http://thehotfixshare.net/board/inde...howtopic=21423
qp
dism /online /Cleanup-Image /StartComponentCleanup

After kb2919355 is installed, you MUST NOT use StartComponentCleanup, as
that command actually CAUSES Component Store corruption.
/qp

Just so all are on the same page..
The StartComponentCleanup method was introduced with Windows 8 and runs
automatically.
cf. http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/l.../dn251565.aspx
qp
The StartComponentCleanup task was created in Windows 8 to regularly
clean up components automatically when the system is not in use.
/qp



So if I read you right, Cleanup MAY corrupt, and windows does this
automatically now, so basically I'm screwed!!



Not entirely
- a corrupt component store doesn't necessarily imply that Windows
won't function
- automatic cleanup since it has been in existence and automatically
run for the life of Win8 obviously doesn't cause corruption on every
single machine
** Corruption is a cause of the installation failures for 8.1 Update
1. Since 8.1 Updates have been successful it would seem apparent that
not all automatic cleanups cause corruption.
- the article does not state if the StartComponentCleanup command
corrupts the component store every time its run (i.e. it can cause it).
Nor did the article claim that it validated the cause.

i.e. There's a significant amount of unknowns surrounding this subject,
thus its probably appropriate to be aware of it and implement a sound
plan to back up the entire o/s on a regular basis.


Thanks, I like your viewpoint, it's more positive than others.
I do agree, the PC was running fine, and so was my wife's and we both
had a bad store. So yes, it didn't stop it from working which is a
good type of bug to have at least.
 




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