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Windows 7 Questions
I'll say up front that I'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming away
from XT. I do use VISTA and a back-up machine with little problem. I have *not* used Windows 7. After reading a few reviews I have to ask: Why no windows mail? Why are AERO PEEK and AERO SHAKE a good deal ? Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Most reviews appear to be written by people that want to stay friendly with Microsoft. The reason that VISTA up-dates so well is because Win7 is VISTA with some changes and a bunch of marginally use full trinkets. Mark me skeptical Henny |
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Hi, Henny.
Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars because of complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford dealer could tell his customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or Wal*Mart or wherever you like and buy the radio of your choice. Or, you can drive around to our service department and we'll install our radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to me, but it should quiet some of the complaints. Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users" will not have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many experienced users. They will arrive at Win7 without all that old baggage. But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly resisted learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to use Win7 - or any other new system. But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be enjoying Win7 in just a few days. ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "henny" wrote in message ... I'll say up front that I'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from XT. I do use VISTA and a back-up machine with little problem. I have *not* used Windows 7. After reading a few reviews I have to ask: Why no windows mail? Why are AERO PEEK and AERO SHAKE a good deal ? Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Most reviews appear to be written by people that want to stay friendly with Microsoft. The reason that VISTA up-dates so well is because Win7 is VISTA with some changes and a bunch of marginally use full trinkets. Mark me skeptical Henny |
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"R. C. White" wrote in message
... Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? |
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"Alex Clayton" escribió
Does this mean there is no news reader built in? Exactly. I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? No, but you can always use Google groups :-( |
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Speaking in silver wrote: "Alex Clayton" escribió Does this mean there is no news reader built in? Exactly. I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? No, but you can always use Google groups :-( Ughhh!! I use Thunderbird for both my email and usenet access. Works well, and is free. |
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Hi, Alex.
Does this mean there is no news reader built in? Right. For the first time since Win95 included Outlook Express, Windows does not include either an email program or a newsreader. It does include Internet Explorer 8, though. If you don't load Windows mail NOT Windows Mail! Windows LIVE Mail. The names are nearly identical and the programs are similar, and both remind users of the familiar OE, but there are some distinct differences. OE will not run on Vista or Win7. WM will not run on WinXP or Win7 (although a few intrepid hackers say they've made it work). WLM runs on WinXP, Vista and Win7. Microsoft announced in 2006 that development on both OE and WM (before it had even been released as a part of Vista!) had been halted and there will be no more updates, except for security fixes, if necessary. is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? There have always been other newsreaders, and they are still out there. Thunderbird and Forte Agent are a couple that are well known. Just ask Bing or Google for "newsreaders" and you'll soon find a list of dozens, both free and paid. Mail programs also are abundant. Microsoft's Outlook is probably the best-known, but it doesn't do newsgroups. Personally, I've been using WLM for over two years now. While it has its share of bugs and irritating design choices, it works about as well as OE did for me. As for Usenet, Microsoft is trying hard to push us all to web-based "forums". They have not yet added any Win7 newsgroups to their public news server (news://msnews.microsoft.com) - and there is speculation that maybe they will not. That's why I am happy to see THIS Win7 newsgroup on non-Microsoft Usenet. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "Alex Clayton" wrote in message ... "R. C. White" wrote in message ... Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? |
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"Speaking in silver" wrote in message
... "Alex Clayton" escribió Does this mean there is no news reader built in? Exactly. I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? No, but you can always use Google groups :-( I have used it when there was no other choice, but only then. If I can load WM I will just do that. I don't use it for E-Mail, but it works fine as a news reader. As long as I can just get in from MS that's fine with me. -- Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!! |
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Firstly, I'm not a tech type so I can't answer any technical questions, but
I have been using W7 since beta, and have had the final release for about a month ( my hubs gets partner release things) and I have been using WLM since then. I use it for my newsgroups, as well as mail and am very happy with it. I am frustrated with missing functions, ie: the ability to edit a received email is gone, and I would like different filtering options in newsgroups, but it works fine for 99% of my needs. Even the learning curve is pretty small. All in all, this has been an easy transition, newbies should have few problems, and oldtimers with a tiny bit of a sense of adventure should be able to change over without too much tribulation. This has been a very easy transition for me, other than the first days of expecting my hubs to have all the answers to all my dumb questions! "R. C. White" wrote in message ... Hi, Alex. Does this mean there is no news reader built in? Right. For the first time since Win95 included Outlook Express, Windows does not include either an email program or a newsreader. It does include Internet Explorer 8, though. If you don't load Windows mail NOT Windows Mail! Windows LIVE Mail. The names are nearly identical and the programs are similar, and both remind users of the familiar OE, but there are some distinct differences. OE will not run on Vista or Win7. WM will not run on WinXP or Win7 (although a few intrepid hackers say they've made it work). WLM runs on WinXP, Vista and Win7. Microsoft announced in 2006 that development on both OE and WM (before it had even been released as a part of Vista!) had been halted and there will be no more updates, except for security fixes, if necessary. is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? There have always been other newsreaders, and they are still out there. Thunderbird and Forte Agent are a couple that are well known. Just ask Bing or Google for "newsreaders" and you'll soon find a list of dozens, both free and paid. Mail programs also are abundant. Microsoft's Outlook is probably the best-known, but it doesn't do newsgroups. Personally, I've been using WLM for over two years now. While it has its share of bugs and irritating design choices, it works about as well as OE did for me. As for Usenet, Microsoft is trying hard to push us all to web-based "forums". They have not yet added any Win7 newsgroups to their public news server (news://msnews.microsoft.com) - and there is speculation that maybe they will not. That's why I am happy to see THIS Win7 newsgroup on non-Microsoft Usenet. RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 "Alex Clayton" wrote in message ... "R. C. White" wrote in message ... Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. Does this mean there is no news reader built in? I have a new Dell that they are sending a W-7 disk for. If you don't load Windows mail is there a way to read Usenet with out having to use a different reader? |
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"nan2u" wrote in message
... Firstly, I'm not a tech type so I can't answer any technical questions, but I have been using W7 since beta, and have had the final release for about a month ( my hubs gets partner release things) and I have been using WLM since then. I use it for my newsgroups, as well as mail and am very happy with it. I am frustrated with missing functions, ie: the ability to edit a received email is gone, and I would like different filtering options in newsgroups, but it works fine for 99% of my needs. Even the learning curve is pretty small. All in all, this has been an easy transition, newbies should have few problems, and oldtimers with a tiny bit of a sense of adventure should be able to change over without too much tribulation. Sounds fine to me then. When I bought this Vista Machine I did have a little trouble with the WLM for Usenet. Setting up the account was fine, but it would not work. Then I found many were having the same problem. I used a feed from Mozzarella (I think they called it) for a while with it, and it was fine. Slight delay in sending but it worked fine till MS figured out what was wrong. It has worked fine since, and I do not sue it for E-mail, so I will just add it to the one laptop after the W-7 disc gets here. -- Things get better with age. I'm approaching magnificent!! |
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Snipped Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Read a PC magazine review that said Homegroup network setup required all the computers to be Windows 7. Surely that means you can only do it the easy way if all the PC are running Windows 7 and you can still set up a network with non Windows 7 machines the old fashioned way. |
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"henny" escribió
I'll say up front that I'll have to be dragged kicking and screaming away from XT. I do use VISTA and a back-up machine with little problem. I have *not* used Windows 7. After reading a few reviews I have to ask: Why no windows mail? Part of the global strategy against freedom in the internet. Usenet allows to post and download anonymously. They don't like that. Instead, they want you to use use WLM, so that they can track you down and always know who you are. Next time they'll close our P2P ports or encrypyt discs so that they can not be copied... hey, wait, they're already doing that! Why are AERO PEEK and AERO SHAKE a good deal ? They are not. Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Maybe Microsoft wants your money? What do you think? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Yes they are. Easy to get rid of them though. Most reviews appear to be written by people that want to stay friendly with Microsoft. XDDD Surprised? The reason that VISTA up-dates so well is because Win7 is VISTA with some changes and a bunch of marginally use full trinkets. Mark me skeptical I don't agree here. W7 gets your hardware drivers (my main point against XP) much better than Vista (although Drivermax or Driver Genius must be used in order to be fully updated). Copying files is quicker, the Explorer runs smoother and memoy management in general seems better. Also, I haven't got a blue screen yet... All we have to do is to get rid of the annoying Windows Media Player (as always, use VLC instead), the Aero features and some tricks at the taskbar/startbar/desktop to make it look like the good old XP, but with the power of the new W7. Programs like W7 Manager will be helpful to get rid of the UAC (user account control) and many other stupid things. Now I am happy with my dual boot Vista/W7 and I think I will delete Vista maybe after a month. Give it a try. |
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"Periproct" wrote in message ... Snipped Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Read a PC magazine review that said Homegroup network setup required all the computers to be Windows 7. Surely that means you can only do it the easy way if all the PC are running Windows 7 and you can still set up a network with non Windows 7 machines the old fashioned way. There should have been a question mark at the end of the last sentence above. I was re-asking the question the OP (Henny) asked. Microsoft upgrade advisor says my humble graphics card won't support Aero so I'll have to decide whether to spend some money or live without it. Plus I'll need to decide what to use for email and newsgroups. |
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Periproct wrote:
Snipped Why does the easiest networking set up demand all computers on net be running Win7? Does Win7 allow one to add your computer to the LAN using Workgroup and sharing ala VISTA,XP,Win98 ? Read a PC magazine review that said Homegroup network setup required all the computers to be Windows 7. Surely that means you can only do it the easy way if all the PC are running Windows 7 and you can still set up a network with non Windows 7 machines the old fashioned way. Yes the workgroup setting |
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"R. C. White" wrote in
: Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars because of complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford dealer could tell his customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or Wal*Mart or wherever you like and buy the radio of your choice. Or, you can drive around to our service department and we'll install our radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to me, but it should quiet some of the complaints. Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users" will not have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many experienced users. They will arrive at Win7 without all that old baggage. But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly resisted learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to use Win7 - or any other new system. But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be enjoying Win7 in just a few days. ;) RC I just got a Win7 'puter (laptop) on Saturday. Therre's a ton of learning curve for me. The 64-bit OS has made me a bit nervous. My 'puter is a Sony Vaio VGN-N270F. Amazing how much stuff they can shoehorn into a 6.4 lb. box! I'm so lost, a little less, as time passes watching the video help! I DO miss outlook express. From such familiarity, this is a new step out into the wild, so-to-speak. Andy |
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Hi, Andy.
See my inline bottom post... "Andy" wrote in message ... "R. C. White" wrote in : Hi, Henny. Maybe I can answer a couple of your questions. Why no windows mail? Because people have complained for years about the "bloat" In Windows. By removing some functions that are not part of the actual operating system, MS made Windows 7 a bit slimmer than Vista. This also reduces the complaints from vendors of competing products. But, you can go to http://download.live.com and download - for free - all the Windows Live Essentials. These include Windows Live Mail, Windows Live Photo Gallery, Windows Live Messenger and a couple of others. It's like if Ford was forbidden to include a radio in their cars because of complaints from Bose and other radio makers. The Ford dealer could tell his customer, "You are free to go to Best Buy or Wal*Mart or wherever you like and buy the radio of your choice. Or, you can drive around to our service department and we'll install our radio for free!" It doesn't make sense to me, but it should quiet some of the complaints. Are not these cluttered screens and a cluttered task bar just hopeless confusion to new and less experienced users? Not as much as you think. Most "new and less experienced users" will not have to shake off the WinXP mindset that afflicts so many experienced users. They will arrive at Win7 without all that old baggage. But many WinXP users - mostly the ones who have so adamantly resisted learning to use Vista - will also have trouble learning to use Win7 - or any other new system. But those who enjoy learning about new and better systems will be enjoying Win7 in just a few days. ;) RC I just got a Win7 'puter (laptop) on Saturday. Therre's a ton of learning curve for me. It should be fun - if you enjoy learning. ;) The 64-bit OS has made me a bit nervous. No need to be nervous. I've never had a Sony - or any laptop. But I'm sure that Sony has already taken care of the hard parts. I doubt that you will really notice the difference between 32-bit and 64-bit. Most of the differences are under the hood; the user interfaces are identical. One important difference is that 64-bit Windows has an additional program files folder, which first appeared in WinXP x64, then in Vista x64 and now in Win7 x64. The original Program Files name is used for 64-bit applications. Most applications are still 32-bit and they are installed in the newer "Program Files (x86)" folder; the "x86" refers to the line of Intel 16- and 32-bit CPUs starting with the 8086 in the mid-1980's. Win7 x64 should automatically sort apps into the correct folders, and the user usually will not even notice unless he is watching closely during the app's setup. My 'puter is a Sony Vaio VGN-N270F. Amazing how much stuff they can shoehorn into a 6.4 lb. box! I'm so lost, a little less, as time passes watching the video help! I DO miss outlook express. From such familiarity, this is a new step out into the wild, so-to-speak. Even Vista did not have OE, and Microsoft announced about 3 years ago that development on both OE and Vista's Windows Mail had ceased and no further updates will be forthcoming, except for security fixes that might be needed. As discussed earlier in this thread, Win7 has no email/news app at all, but you can download Windows Live Essentials - including Windows Live Mail - for free from download.live.com. Millions of users have successfully made the transition from OE to WLM, and I'm sure you will, too. Andy Come on in. The water's fine! ;) RC -- R. C. White, CPA San Marcos, TX Microsoft Windows MVP Windows Live Mail 2009 (14.0.8089.0726) in Win7 Ultimate x64 |
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