Windows 8 to get rid of Aero UI

On 24/05/2012 1:56 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I do think people who design interfaces should be required to use them
before imposing them on others. Or if that requirement already exists,
it needs to be enforced :-)

I think that may actually be the problem here. The people who design
UI's are designing it for themselves. Being as they are, programmers,
and other technical types, they find a lot of stuff useful that other
people may not find useful. So your wish may actually be happening, so
be careful what you wish for.

Yousuf Khan

On 25/05/2012 11:03 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 24/05/2012 1:56 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I do think people who design interfaces should be required to use them
before imposing them on others. Or if that requirement already exists,
it needs to be enforced :-)

I think that may actually be the problem here. The people who design
UI's are designing it for themselves. Being as they are, programmers,
and other technical types, they find a lot of stuff useful that other
people may not find useful. So your wish may actually be happening, so
be careful what you wish for.

Yousuf Khan


I think this is the problem with many of Firefox's "improvements." Some
dev wants a feature, at the planning conference (s)he persuades the
others it's cool, and it's done (or undone if an existing feature is
judged uncool). The complaints from ordinary users are ignored, or
explained away, or (worse) "fixed" by offering workarounds. I suspect
that the proposed W8 GUI is the result of some dev's desire for a
"clean" interface.

Not that it matters much. MS has been playing catch-up instead of
innovation ever since NT3.5.

Sigh.
Wolf K.

On 25/05/2012 12:40, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!

My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just made
it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)

Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd like to
add one to my search menu.

I'll bet it's the AD... :-))

--

Jeff

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 25/05/2012 12:40, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!

My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just
made it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The
Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)

Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd
like to add one to my search menu.

I'll bet it's the AD... :-))

A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD
--
Crash

Today is the first day of the rest of your life,
and there's not a damned thing you can do about it.

On 25/05/2012 10:55 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 24/05/2012 10:27 AM, Wolf K wrote:
All my experience with tablets is secondhand. The people who seem most
comfortable with them seem to focus on a couple or three uses, eg,
social networking, e-mail, surfing. One loves his iPad because he can
use to compose music collaboratively in real time. It seems to me,
though, that a tablet is little more than a smart-phone without the
phone.

Yeah, I was a big doubter about the utility of a tablet, but then I
bought a Blackberry Playbook, and I gotta say I find myself using that
way more than I ever thought. It's absolutely perfect for surfing, and
it's passable for email. That's all I really use it for, but then again,
that's what I used my computer for 90% of the time too.

Regarding surfing, the Playbook has Adobe Flash built-in so it's much
more useful than an Apple iPad for surfing. If an iPad is only 75% as
useful as a full PC for surfing, then the Playbook is 95% as useful.
Very few websites that it can't handle properly.

Yousuf Khan

I read up on it, but one question not answered: Does it support Skype? I
assume that one could use it for web-mail.

Wolf K.

On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:09 -0400, "Dave \"Crash\" Dummy"
wrote:

[snip]

A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD

I tend to Google for the word "abbrev" followed by the
abbreviation I want expanded.

Sincerely,

Gene "abbrev TTFN" Wirchenko

On 5/25/2012 5:15 AM, KCB wrote:

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On 5/24/2012 2:26 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 07:59:44 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Microsoft: Windows 8 Won't Use 'Aero' Interface / Infopackets.com
http://www.infopackets.com/news/busi...nterfa ce.htm




One has to wonder why after all of the pain and suffering from
having to upgrade XP computers to handle 3D graphics when they
upgraded to Vista, and into Windows 7, why Microsoft is just now
getting rid of it? Now almost all computers, even those with
integrated graphics can handle Aero, now is the time to go back to
2D?

The answer is probably pretty easy, most ARM-based computers aren't
powerful enough to handle anything more than 2D. But most modern
x86's are now capable of 3D, so why not retain it for x86-based
Windows? The chipmakers, Intel and AMD, both have 3D-capable CPU's
with built-in GPU's, so that means everyone with an x86 processor
has 3D hardware. Playing to the lowest common denominator.

Yousuf Khan

In Windows 7 the Aero interface can be turned off, so there's no need
to update hardware. So that doesn't seem (to me) to be a good reason
to drop it altogether from W8.

Which I did, first thing, along with installing Classic Shell. Dropping
Aero is the first good thing I've heard about Win 8. Now if they'd just
drop touch screens...

There are a few nursing homes that use the touch screen APIs on wall
mounted stations for them to do their paper work. No keyboards are
needed for what they do. Most just use the pencil eraser to rapidly go
from one choice to another. I believe you'll find touch screens used
in a lot of medical facilities.


There is no need to delete the touch screen controls, but I think the
better idea would be to give the user the choice of Metro or Start Menu.
As it stands now, MS is pretty much forcing the issue, as the majority
of comments on Win8 have been complaints about the lack of a Start Menu.

They may yet listen, as it hasn't been set in stone yet.

In message , Wolf K
writes:
On 25/05/2012 11:03 AM, Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 24/05/2012 1:56 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
I do think people who design interfaces should be required to use them
before imposing them on others. Or if that requirement already exists,
it needs to be enforced :-)

I think that may actually be the problem here. The people who design
UI's are designing it for themselves. Being as they are, programmers,
and other technical types, they find a lot of stuff useful that other
people may not find useful. So your wish may actually be happening, so
be careful what you wish for.

Yousuf Khan

An interesting wrinkle is that they (especially webpage designers)
should be forced to use them via access software, with their monitor
taken away altogether ... I have normal sight (except I don't have the
brain pathways to make use of it being stereoscopic), but I have an
interest in access for the blind. (_Most_ things that make access for
the VH/VI easier are matters of good interface design practice anyway;
certainly the converse is true, that most things that make VH/VI access
more difficult are poor general interface design.)

I think this is the problem with many of Firefox's "improvements." Some
dev wants a feature, at the planning conference (s)he persuades the
others it's cool, and it's done (or undone if an existing feature is
judged uncool). The complaints from ordinary users are ignored, or
explained away, or (worse) "fixed" by offering workarounds. I suspect
that the proposed W8 GUI is the result of some dev's desire for a
"clean" interface.

Where the removal (or hiding) of features is concerned, it's certainly
tempting to believe that it's more sinister than just "un-coolness", i.
e. done at the behest of (or, at the very least, with the thought that
it might please) the major paymasters. Such as third-party image and
cookie blocking.

Not that it matters much. MS has been playing catch-up instead of
innovation ever since NT3.5.

Sigh.
Wolf K.

Hmm.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G.5AL-IS-P--Ch++(p)Ar@T0H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You asking for a slap across the face with a wet pedant?-}

On Fri, 25 May 2012 07:40:30 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!

My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just made
it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)

Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd like to
add one to my search menu.

Mostly this one:
Acronym Finder
http://www.acronymfinder.com/

Sometimes these others:
Acronym Search
http://www.acronymsearch.com/

Internet Acronym Server
http://acronyms.silmaril.ie/cgi-bin/uncgi/acronyms

The Ultimate Computer Acronyms Archive
http://www.acronyms.ch/

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:09 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 25/05/2012 12:40, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!

My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just
made it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The
Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)

Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd
like to add one to my search menu.

I'll bet it's the AD... :-))

A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD

My list has just gotten longer :-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:56:42 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:09 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

[snip]

A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD

My list has just gotten longer :-)

Do you need an acronym for that? "MLHJGL"?

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:09 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 25/05/2012 12:40, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!
My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just
made it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The
Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)
Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd
like to add one to my search menu.
I'll bet it's the AD... :-))
A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD

My list has just gotten longer :-)

A lot of people have me on their list... Oh, you meant the dictionary!!

--
Crash

What happens online, stays online. Forever.

On Fri, 25 May 2012 16:59:35 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Fri, 25 May 2012 13:37:09 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Jeff Layman wrote:
On 25/05/2012 12:40, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2012 19:58:45 +0100, Jeff Layman wrote:

On 24/05/2012 18:56, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

But I can't always figure out how Microsoft makes its design
choices.
Then there's still hope for you!
My LOTD award goes to you.

In case it's not in the Acronym Dictionary (since I think I just
made it up, although it's an obvious choice), that's Laugh Of The
Day.

I just looked. It's in the Acronym Dictionary :-)
Which Acronym Dictionary do you use? There are several, and I'd
like to add one to my search menu.
I'll bet it's the AD... :-))
A little Googling brings up several. I settled for this one, which also
has a pretty good general purpose dictionary.

http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/LOTD

My list has just gotten longer :-)

A lot of people have me on their list... Oh, you meant the dictionary!!

LOL...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On 05/24/2012 10:56 AM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
In Windows 7 the Aero interface can be turned off

What do you mean? I just select a "Classic View"
and Aero disappears. No more confusing, fuzzy tops
and the machine speeds up a tad. When I show my customer
the difference, about three out of four prefer the
"Classic" look.

I have to remind myself that the "P" in "PC" stands for
"personal". I don't care for Aero myself. But, it
is not my opinion that counts, it is what the customer
prefers.

Not about Metro ...

-T

On 05/25/2012 05:51 PM, Todd wrote:

Not about Metro ...

That should have been "Now about Metro". Stinking typos.