Goodbye to Windows Live

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 08:43:46 -0700, Jake wrote:

In article , "Nil"
said...

And also note that Microsoft denies that NT stands for anything.

I'm pretty sure they didn't deny it back then. We got reams of
promotional and technical literature about it back when it was
introduced, and I'm almost certain that the phrase was liberally
bandied about.

They said it stood for New Technology.

I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?

--

Char Jackson

On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

Wolf K.

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf K
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks.

--

Char Jackson

On 6/6/2012 2:43 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks.

I remember that era... and I do recall a fellow in our work group that
did say he purchased it and calling it New Technology. Also saw ads in
Byte magazine at the time calling it as such.

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531
wrote:

[snip]

Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer.

That one makes sense to me.

It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has
confused many people.

I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what
the Internet is. They should find out.

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two
names are very different, the other half is identical. And since
people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer.

It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people
shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating
confusion.

Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people
the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do
you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte"
expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass
of milk.

Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-)

BTW, isn't caffè latte two words?

Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows
Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa, and I
assure you, I know which is which.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 11:15:07 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On Mon, 4 Jun 2012 16:53:58 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 16:35:56 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 17:04:55 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote:

Apparently, Microsoft is phasing out the Windows Live brand
name.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/27/business/windows-live-brand-fades-into-the-sunset-digital-domain.html

http://www.odt.co.nz/blogs/dene-mackenzie/211881/time-say-goodbye-windows-live

Glad to hear it. Good as Microsoft is at some things, they are
often terrible at naming things, and often confuse many people
with the names they choose. As a single example, speaking of the
Windows Live brand name, many people mix up Windows Live Mail and
Windows Mail.
Thanks for the chance to b*tch (again!):

Outlook vs Outlook Express

That of course is the classic Microsoft example of terrible naming.
It has confused more people than anything else.

Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on sales staff created bad names. A
classic is "Javascript," which has absolutely nothing to do with "Java."

Rumor has it (it's been quoted in at least books on one or the other of
those) that Javascript had another name which I don't remember, and it
was renamed on the urging of marketing people to ride on the coat-tails
of Java.

Still not a good choice, IMO.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

at least books

Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.)

Bad typing, worse proofreading.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:06:09 -0600, GreyCloud
wrote:

On 6/6/2012 2:43 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:14:27 -0400, Wolf
wrote:

On 06/06/2012 1:44 PM, Char Jackson wrote:
I've never seen any documentation from Microsoft where they referred
to NT as New Technology. Has anyone else?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT

I'm not sure if that qualifies, but thanks.

I remember that era... and I do recall a fellow in our work group that
did say he purchased it and calling it New Technology. Also saw ads in
Byte magazine at the time calling it as such.

I have similar memories. So far, nothing from Microsoft, however.

--

Char Jackson

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:26:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531
wrote:

[snip]

Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer.

That one makes sense to me.

It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has
confused many people.

I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what
the Internet is. They should find out.

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two
names are very different, the other half is identical. And since
people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer.

It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people
shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating
confusion.

Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people
the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do
you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte"
expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass
of milk.

Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-)


And pronounce it lah-TAY? I don't think I've seen or heard it that
way.


BTW, isn't caffè latte two words?


I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word
is correct.



Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows
Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa,


Ugh! It would drive me crazy if I did that.


and I
assure you, I know which is which.


I'm sure you do.

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

at least books

Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.)

Bad typing, worse proofreading.


I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm
not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-)

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:11:39 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:26:57 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 12:06:53 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 09:28:25 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Tue, 05 Jun 2012 07:35:11 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:22:02 -0700, Gene Wirchenko
wrote:

On Mon, 04 Jun 2012 19:06:30 -0500, Antares 531
wrote:

[snip]

Also, Windows Explorer vs. Internet Explorer.

That one makes sense to me.

It may make sense, but it's still bad naming, since it too has
confused many people.

I think that it because they do not know what Windows is and what
the Internet is. They should find out.

There's a lot of truth in what you say, but even though half the two
names are very different, the other half is identical. And since
people often use shortcut names, many people call them both Explorer.

It's not very different from Outlook and Outlook Express. Many people
shorten Outlook Express and call it Outlook, thereby creating
confusion.

Or to talk about a different area where shortening names gets people
the wrong result, Americans often shorten "caffelatte" to "latte." Do
you know what "latte" means? Go to a bar in Italy and order "latte"
expecting "caffelatte" and you might be very surprised to get a glass
of milk.

Then there are the people who spell that word "latté" :-)

And pronounce it lah-TAY? I don't think I've seen or heard it that
way.

BTW, isn't caffè latte two words?

I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word
is correct.

My Italian dictionary gives "caffè" and "latte", but not "caffelatte".
I've also never seen "caffelatte" before your post...

Google's response to caffelatte consists of many references to "caffè
latte" with the single word version only inside URLs.

Exceptions: a picture gallery labeled "Images for caffelatte" and a
camel-case version "CaffeLatte", with the URL "www.caffelatte.org.uk".

There's this, if you like:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffe+latte

whereas the single-word version gives this:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffelatte

Apropos of the discussion of confusing names, I often say Windows
Explorer when I'm trying to say Internet Explorer and vice versa,

Ugh! It would drive me crazy if I did that.

Yup. It bugs me. And whoever I'm talking to :-)

and I
assure you, I know which is which.

I'm sure you do.

:-)

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:13:14 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

at least books

Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.)

Bad typing, worse proofreading.

I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm
not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-)

Yeah, the harsh realities of life...

I'm also good at not noticing that the spell-checker likes bear, when I
mean bare - or even Bayer, so I can try to cure the spelling headache
:-)


--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:41:30 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

I've seen it both ways, and don't know for sure, but I think one word
is correct.

My Italian dictionary gives "caffè" and "latte", but not "caffelatte".
I've also never seen "caffelatte" before your post...

Google's response to caffelatte consists of many references to "caffè
latte" with the single word version only inside URLs.

Exceptions: a picture gallery labeled "Images for caffelatte" and a
camel-case version "CaffeLatte", with the URL "www.caffelatte.org.uk".

There's this, if you like:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffe+latte

whereas the single-word version gives this:
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/caffelatte

But I found this:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caff%C...ernative_forms

which shows caffelatte. It also appears a few more times in the article.

So there you are!

So much for my knowledge...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 16:49:25 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

[snip]

But I found this:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/caff%C...ernative_forms

which shows caffelatte. It also appears a few more times in the article.

So there you are!

So much for my knowledge...

Or theirs.

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko

On Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:13:14 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:48:20 -0700, "Gene E. Bloch"
wrote:

On Wed, 6 Jun 2012 14:30:38 -0700, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

at least books

Make that "at least two books". (That I've seen.)

Bad typing, worse proofreading.


I'm a *terrible* typist but an excellent proofreader, as long as I'm
not proofreading something I wrote myself. ;-)

I am a pretty good typist, an excellent proofreader, and I can
proofread my own work. I can even do a good job of proofreading my
own work. Unless I am in a hurry. Then, all bets are off. (Although
you could possibly make really good money betting that I would botch
it.)

Sincerely,

Gene Wirchenko