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wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Chris wrote: Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. Never heard of such a thing. mostly usa, with a few outside the usa, with hands-on tech support and classes. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl anned-regent-street-london/ https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/proline.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../TorontoMicros oftStore8.JPG/2560px-TorontoMicrosoftStore8.JPG |
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In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote: Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e. Apple). mostly usa. outside the usa, there's currently one in australia, three in canada and one in puerto rico: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations london is coming soon: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl anned-regent-street-london/ A little Google search indicates that there are some physical Microsoft stores in the US. quite a few, and amusingly enough, they're almost always next to the apple stores, or at least very close. where are the linux stores? Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is more than zero. But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated. With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution! https://www.techsupportforum.com/for...ke-404432.html There was a pilot flying a small single engine charter plane, with a couple of very important executives on board. He was coming into the Seattle airport through thick fog with less than 10 miles visibility when his instruments went out. He began circling around looking for a landmark. Finally, a small opening in the fog appears and he sees a tall building with a guy working alone on the fifth floor. He banks the plane around, rolls down the window and shouts to the guy, "Hey where am I?" The man replies, "You're in an airplane." The pilot rolls up the window, executes a 275 degree turn and proceeds to perform a perfect blind landing on the airport runway 5 miles away. Just as the plane stops, so does the engine as the fuel has run out. The passengers are amazed and one asks how he did it. "Quite easy," replies the pilot, "I asked the guy in that building a simple question. The answer he gave me was 100 percent correct but absolutely useless, therefore, that must be Microsoft's support office and from there the airport is just five miles due East." |
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On 05/23/2018 01:55 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
[snip] This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e. Apple). A little Google search indicates that there are some physical Microsoft stores in the US. The nearest Microsoft store to me is close to the nearest Apple store. Both almost 150 miles away. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Definition of a computer: A device designed to speed up and automate errors." |
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Andy Burns wrote: dale wrote: I'd still like a shortcut that points to two or more places instead of just one So, you mean a "Library" if that is the term https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7 |
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On Wed, 23 May 2018 12:41:15 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Doomsdrzej wrote: Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years. Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. yep. linux is great for servers or embedded devices, but for the desktop, it's awful. the software selection is very limited and the quality of what does exist is generally quite poor. I'm very fond of the operating system to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, a lot of what I need to do in Linux can't be done not because Linux itself is incapable, but because nobody produced the software to do any of it. I need something which can mirror my desktop to an AppleTV. I can use AirParrot in Windows or some scheme in Linux which is not likely to work. I like playing games, but most of what I like isn't available in Linux. I like to rip my CDs securely, but Linux doesn't have software to do that anymore... etc. If your needs are basic though, there's no doubt that it's way better than Windows. |
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On 5/23/2018 5:18 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
dale wrote: Andy Burns wrote: dale wrote: I'd still like a shortcut that points to two or more places instead of just one So, you mean a "Library" if that is the term https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7 thanks ! the way this works seems like I can only have one or two active folders, under properties of a library, even though it allows me to add as many of the folders that I want save location and/or public save location doesn't like my USB stick either read over the link ... am I missing something? a link in another reply led me back to OneDrive, again, guess I might have to learn it -- dale - http://www.dalekelly.org/ Not a professional opinion unless specified. |
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dale wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7 the way this works seems like I can only have one or two active folders, under properties of a library, even though it allows me to add as many of the folders that I want am I missing something? You have it right, you can put many folders in the library, and read files from them, but if you save something to the library itself, it will go into whichever folder you set as the "save location" for the library, if you save into a particular subfolder within the library, it saves there. |
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On May 23, 2018, Doomsdrzej wrote
(in ): On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke wrote: On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote: Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years. Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. It depends on what you are looking to accomplish. From a services point of view, like web servers, database services and others it can be a reliable foundation from which to build on. If you’re looking for consumer functions there are less of those. -- Peter Kozlov |
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On May 23, 2018, Chris wrote
(in article ): Doomsdrzej wrote: On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote: Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years. Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... I’ve always used the manufacturer or Google’s it. Sometimes I just ask the communities. Trial and error as well I guess. I had tried a couple backup solutions before seeing a post about one I’d never heard of. I went with that one as it is very fast and I read good things about it. If it is a Dell or Lenovo and that experiences a problem, typically I talk to Dell or Lenovo and so far those two have always resolved whatever the issue happens to be. Once in a while I have posted to Microsoft’s community but have not received any useful advice from them so far. In my experience it is the community or the manufacturer that solves the problem every time. -- Peter Kozlov |
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On May 23, 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote
(in ): nospam wrote: In , wrote: Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e. Apple). Yeah, the United States has them. Don’t know how useful they are. I’ve yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers. I like Lenovo and Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter about failure rates. A little Google search indicates that there are some physical Microsoft stores in the US. where are the linux stores? Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is more than zero. But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated. With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution! I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like the iPad a lot. I’d use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesn’t have all the answers to my computing needs. I’d like to see Apple go ARM and merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac. Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you don’t need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app. I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my iPhone. -- Peter Kozlov |
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l-september.org, Peter Kozlov wrote: Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e. Apple). Yeah, the United States has them. Dont know how useful they are. moslty usa, but a few outside the usa, and they're fairly useful, for both tech support as well as classes and other special events. Ive yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers. the surface studio is nice, but the surface laptops have some serious reliability issues. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...4/microsoft-su rface-consumer-reports-hardware-freezing-shutdowns-problems 25 percent of Surface owners have had problems within two years of buying one I like Lenovo and Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter about failure rates. which mac? the new butterfly keyboards on the macbooks have a higher incidence of repair than the older keyboards, but it's not like pc keyboards don't ever have problems either, or other problems, such as the surface laptops. nothing is perfect. on the other hand, if it's an imac, get whatever keyboard you want, which you can also do with a macbook, except that it's no longer as portable. A little Google search indicates that there are some physical Microsoft stores in the US. where are the linux stores? Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is more than zero. But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated. With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution! I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like the iPad a lot. Id use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesnt have all the answers to my computing needs. Id like to see Apple go ARM ios devices are arm, however, macs remain intel, at least for now. there have been numerous clues over the years that a transition to arm for macs is coming. apple's arm chips are already benchmarking at or above many intel chips. some of intel's chips are quite late, which is yet another reason why apple would prefer using their own chips. and merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac. they have been doing that, although some things don't directly match up. touch and keyboard/mouse are very different paradigms. Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you dont need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app. it depends on the app. lightweight apps aren't a problem, but cpu-intensive apps, such as video rendering, would be. I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my iPhone. absolutely. mobile is the future. |
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On May 24, 2018, nospam wrote
(in ) : In article l-september.org, Peter Kozlov wrote: Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e. Apple). Yeah, the United States has them. Don¹t know how useful they are. moslty usa, but a few outside the usa, and they're fairly useful, for both tech support as well as classes and other special events. I¹ve yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers. the surface studio is nice, but the surface laptops have some serious reliability issues. https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...4/microsoft-su rface-consumer-reports-hardware-freezing-shutdowns-problems 25 percent of Surface owners have had problems within two years of buying one I like Lenovo and Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter about failure rates. which mac? the new butterfly keyboards on the macbooks have a higher incidence of repair than the older keyboards, but it's not like pc keyboards don't ever have problems either, or other problems, such as the surface laptops. nothing is perfect. Yeah, I have the 2017 MacBook with the newest butterfly switches. Better than the 2016 version I’m told. I have AppleCare so it should be fixed on Apple’s dime. I briefly had a problem with the R key but I used compressed air and it went away instantly. But for a second there I got to thinking about the issue. It got pretty real for a second. I thought I read somewhere that the overall percentage of users having issues is low but that it is higher than previously standard keyboards Apple has used. The bigger problem is the cost of fixing it. I hear it is $700 because they have to replace the whole top of the Mac to do it. Hopefully Apple knows what they are doing and acting in their customer’s best interest. on the other hand, if it's an imac, get whatever keyboard you want, which you can also do with a macbook, except that it's no longer as portable. You mean an external keyboard? It does help in a crises situation. But Apple should acknowledge that they have made a product prone to failure rates get out of the norm and from what I have read they are out of the norm. A little Google search indicates that there are some physical Microsoft stores in the US. where are the linux stores? Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is more than zero. But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated. With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution! I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like the iPad a lot. I¹d use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesn¹t have all the answers to my computing needs. I¹d like to see Apple go ARM ios devices are arm, however, macs remain intel, at least for now. I’m referring to the Mac. I’d like to see the Mac go ARM and bring over some of those benefits to MacOS. there have been numerous clues over the years that a transition to arm for macs is coming. apple's arm chips are already benchmarking at or above many intel chips. It is shockingly good right now. I have the iPad Pro 10.5” and range GeekBench on that vs a MacBook Pro dual core i5 3.1 GHz. The A10 was just about on par. some of intel's chips are quite late, which is yet another reason why apple would prefer using their own chips. I thought I had read somewhere that intel for Apple carries a lot of extra baggage that they just don’t need. The very deep sleep modes that Arm gives the iPad would be welcomed on the MacBook. and merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac. they have been doing that, although some things don't directly match up. touch and keyboard/mouse are very different paradigms. Well, I’m the guy who wants the physical keyboard gone and replaced with a virtual one like the on-screen iPad uses. So... Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you don¹t need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app. it depends on the app. lightweight apps aren't a problem, but cpu-intensive apps, such as video rendering, would be. I’m amazed at the progress made by Apple and Qualcomm on ARM processors. I don’t think we’re far off from this capability. I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my iPhone. absolutely. mobile is the future. Absolutely. -- Peter Kozlov |
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On 23/05/2018 17:56, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke Nauta wrote: On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote: Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years. Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Ubuntu isn't the breed of Linuxes. Fedora, though not easy for beginners, is much better. So is Mint, with a wide spectrum of software. And there is even a Windows look-alike: Zorin. In general on Linux machines there is not such a wide variety on software as on Windows machines, but Linux is more stable and reliable. But - true - there is hardly any support. But how useful is Windows support? My experience in this matter is quite bad. Fokke |
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On 24/05/2018 00:10, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 12:41:15 -0400, nospam wrote: In article , Doomsdrzej wrote: Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years. Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. yep. linux is great for servers or embedded devices, but for the desktop, it's awful. the software selection is very limited and the quality of what does exist is generally quite poor. I'm very fond of the operating system to tell you the truth. Unfortunately, a lot of what I need to do in Linux can't be done not because Linux itself is incapable, but because nobody produced the software to do any of it. I need something which can mirror my desktop to an AppleTV. I can use AirParrot in Windows or some scheme in Linux which is not likely to work. I like playing games, but most of what I like isn't available in Linux. I like to rip my CDs securely, but Linux doesn't have software to do that anymore... etc. If your needs are basic though, there's no doubt that it's way better than Windows. Fully agree. Linux is much more stable than Windows. And it does not force you nasty developements down your throat, as Windows does. They really force you to use their bloody Edge browser (W 10). But unfortunately there is a lack of specialized sofware. Scientific Linux is an exeption, and it's derived from Redhat. Securely ripping cd's, isn't that available on the multimedia Linuxes? Fokke |
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In article , Chris wrote: nospam wrote: In article , Chris wrote: Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows. You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu. The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat) is also worse. Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for their software... a microsoft store is one of the better options. Never heard of such a thing. mostly usa, with a few outside the usa, with hands-on tech support and classes. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations Wow! A single store outside of North America. Perfect... https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl anned-regent-street-london/ Regent Street is about as accessible as Australia if I'm lugging around my gaming pc. Thanks for confirming there is effectively no tech support for the vast majority of Microsoft's paying customers. So what exactly am I getting for my £219.99 RRP*? * Please tell me no-one actually pays that price :-o |
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