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In article , Chris
wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the
support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for
their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

Never heard of such a thing.

mostly usa, with a few outside the usa, with hands-on tech support and
classes.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl
anned-regent-street-london/

https://cdn.geekwire.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/proline.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../TorontoMicros
oftStore8.JPG/2560px-TorontoMicrosoftStore8.JPG

In article , Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the
support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for
their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the
Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I
don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have
never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e.
Apple).

mostly usa.

outside the usa, there's currently one in australia, three in canada
and one in puerto rico:
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations

london is coming soon:
https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl
anned-regent-street-london/

A little Google search indicates that there are some physical
Microsoft stores in the US.

quite a few, and amusingly enough, they're almost always next to the
apple stores, or at least very close.

where are the linux stores?

Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is
more than zero.

But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated.
With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With
Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution!

https://www.techsupportforum.com/for...ke-404432.html
There was a pilot flying a small single engine charter plane, with
a couple of very important executives on board. He was coming into
the Seattle airport through thick fog with less than 10 miles
visibility when his instruments went out.

He began circling around looking for a landmark. Finally, a small
opening in the fog appears and he sees a tall building with a guy
working alone on the fifth floor. He banks the plane around, rolls
down the window and shouts to the guy, "Hey where am I?"

The man replies, "You're in an airplane." The pilot rolls up the
window, executes a 275 degree turn and proceeds to perform a
perfect blind landing on the airport runway 5 miles away. Just as
the plane stops, so does the engine as the fuel has run out.

The passengers are amazed and one asks how he did it.

"Quite easy," replies the pilot, "I asked the guy in that building
a simple question. The answer he gave me was 100 percent correct
but absolutely useless, therefore, that must be Microsoft's
support office and from there the airport is just five miles due
East."

On 05/23/2018 01:55 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:

[snip]

This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the
Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I
don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have
never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e.
Apple).

A little Google search indicates that there are some physical
Microsoft stores in the US.
The nearest Microsoft store to me is close to the nearest Apple store.
Both almost 150 miles away.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Definition of a computer: A device designed to speed up and automate
errors."

dale wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

dale wrote:

I'd still like a shortcut that points to two or more places instead of
just one

So, you mean a "Library"

if that is the term

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7

On Wed, 23 May 2018 12:41:15 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years.

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

yep.

linux is great for servers or embedded devices, but for the desktop,
it's awful. the software selection is very limited and the quality of
what does exist is generally quite poor.

I'm very fond of the operating system to tell you the truth.
Unfortunately, a lot of what I need to do in Linux can't be done not
because Linux itself is incapable, but because nobody produced the
software to do any of it. I need something which can mirror my desktop
to an AppleTV. I can use AirParrot in Windows or some scheme in Linux
which is not likely to work. I like playing games, but most of what I
like isn't available in Linux. I like to rip my CDs securely, but
Linux doesn't have software to do that anymore... etc.

If your needs are basic though, there's no doubt that it's way better
than Windows.

On 5/23/2018 5:18 PM, Andy Burns wrote:
dale wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

dale wrote:

I'd still like a shortcut that points to two or more places instead of
just one

So, you mean a "Library"

if that is the term

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7

thanks !

the way this works seems like I can only have one or two active folders,
under properties of a library, even though it allows me to add as many
of the folders that I want

save location
and/or
public save location

doesn't like my USB stick either

read over the link ... am I missing something?

a link in another reply led me back to OneDrive, again, guess I might
have to learn it

--
dale - http://www.dalekelly.org/
Not a professional opinion unless specified.

dale wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

https://www.digitalcitizen.life/libraries-great-feature-windows-7

the way this works seems like I can only have one or two active folders,
under properties of a library, even though it allows me to add as many
of the folders that I want

am I missing something?

You have it right, you can put many folders in the library, and read
files from them, but if you save something to the library itself, it
will go into whichever folder you set as the "save location" for the
library, if you save into a particular subfolder within the library, it
saves there.

On May 23, 2018, Doomsdrzej wrote
(in ):

On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke
wrote:

On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote:
Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years.

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

It depends on what you are looking to accomplish. From a services point of
view, like web servers, database services and others it can be a reliable
foundation from which to build on. If you’re looking for consumer functions
there are less of those.

--
Peter Kozlov

On May 23, 2018, Chris wrote
(in article ):

Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote:
Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years.

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the
support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for
their software...

I’ve always used the manufacturer or Google’s it. Sometimes I just ask
the communities. Trial and error as well I guess. I had tried a couple backup
solutions before seeing a post about one I’d never heard of. I went with
that one as it is very fast and I read good things about it.

If it is a Dell or Lenovo and that experiences a problem, typically I talk to
Dell or Lenovo and so far those two have always resolved whatever the issue
happens to be. Once in a while I have posted to Microsoft’s community but
have not received any useful advice from them so far. In my experience it is
the community or the manufacturer that solves the problem every time.

--
Peter Kozlov

On May 23, 2018, Frank Slootweg wrote
(in ):

nospam wrote:
In ,
wrote:

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the
support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for
their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the
Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I
don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have
never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e.
Apple).

Yeah, the United States has them. Don’t know how useful they are. I’ve
yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers. I like Lenovo and
Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter
about failure rates.

A little Google search indicates that there are some physical
Microsoft stores in the US.

where are the linux stores?

Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is
more than zero.

But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated.
With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With
Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution!

I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community
bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like
the iPad a lot. I’d use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is
painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesn’t have
all the answers to my computing needs. I’d like to see Apple go ARM and
merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac.

Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you don’t
need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed
and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app.

I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my iPhone.

--
Peter Kozlov

In article
l-september.org, Peter
Kozlov wrote:


Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here
the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft
for their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the
Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I
don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have
never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e.
Apple).

Yeah, the United States has them. Don¹t know how useful they are.

moslty usa, but a few outside the usa, and they're fairly useful, for
both tech support as well as classes and other special events.

I¹ve
yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers.

the surface studio is nice, but the surface laptops have some serious
reliability issues.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...4/microsoft-su
rface-consumer-reports-hardware-freezing-shutdowns-problems
25 percent of Surface owners have had problems within two years of
buying one

I like Lenovo and
Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter
about failure rates.

which mac? the new butterfly keyboards on the macbooks have a higher
incidence of repair than the older keyboards, but it's not like pc
keyboards don't ever have problems either, or other problems, such as
the surface laptops. nothing is perfect.

on the other hand, if it's an imac, get whatever keyboard you want,
which you can also do with a macbook, except that it's no longer as
portable.

A little Google search indicates that there are some physical
Microsoft stores in the US.

where are the linux stores?

Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is
more than zero.

But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated.
With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With
Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution!

I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community
bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like
the iPad a lot. I¹d use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is
painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesn¹t have
all the answers to my computing needs. I¹d like to see Apple go ARM

ios devices are arm, however, macs remain intel, at least for now.

there have been numerous clues over the years that a transition to arm
for macs is coming. apple's arm chips are already benchmarking at or
above many intel chips.

some of intel's chips are quite late, which is yet another reason why
apple would prefer using their own chips.

and
merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac.

they have been doing that, although some things don't directly match up.

touch and keyboard/mouse are very different paradigms.

Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you don¹t
need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed
and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app.

it depends on the app.

lightweight apps aren't a problem, but cpu-intensive apps, such as
video rendering, would be.

I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my iPhone.

absolutely. mobile is the future.

On May 24, 2018, nospam wrote
(in ) :

In article
l-september.org, Peter
Kozlov wrote:


Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here
the support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft
for their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

This is probably a US thing. In our country - The Netherlands - the
Microsoft Store is a *web*shop, not a physical store with humans. I
don't think it's any different in the rest of Europe/the EU. I have
never seen an ad for a (physical) Microsoft store (in contrast to f.e.
Apple).

Yeah, the United States has them. Don¹t know how useful they are.

moslty usa, but a few outside the usa, and they're fairly useful, for
both tech support as well as classes and other special events.

I¹ve
yet to hear anything good about the Surface computers.

the surface studio is nice, but the surface laptops have some serious
reliability issues.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...4/microsoft-su
rface-consumer-reports-hardware-freezing-shutdowns-problems
25 percent of Surface owners have had problems within two years of
buying one

I like Lenovo and
Apple. Although I am worried about the keyboard on my Mac. Lot of chatter
about failure rates.

which mac? the new butterfly keyboards on the macbooks have a higher
incidence of repair than the older keyboards, but it's not like pc
keyboards don't ever have problems either, or other problems, such as
the surface laptops. nothing is perfect.

Yeah, I have the 2017 MacBook with the newest butterfly switches. Better than
the 2016 version I’m told. I have AppleCare so it should be fixed on
Apple’s dime. I briefly had a problem with the R key but I used compressed
air and it went away instantly. But for a second there I got to thinking
about the issue. It got pretty real for a second. I thought I read somewhere
that the overall percentage of users having issues is low but that it is
higher than previously standard keyboards Apple has used. The bigger problem
is the cost of fixing it. I hear it is $700 because they have to replace the
whole top of the Mac to do it. Hopefully Apple knows what they are doing and
acting in their customer’s best interest.
on the other hand, if it's an imac, get whatever keyboard you want,
which you can also do with a macbook, except that it's no longer as
portable.

You mean an external keyboard? It does help in a crises situation. But Apple
should acknowledge that they have made a product prone to failure rates get
out of the norm and from what I have read they are out of the norm.

A little Google search indicates that there are some physical
Microsoft stores in the US.

where are the linux stores?

Well, for now probably more than Microsoft stores! :-) I.e. a few is
more than zero.

But coming back to support, the big difference is how you're treated.
With Linux, you get your head bitten off and get no solution. With
Microsoft/Windows, you get treated politely and get no solution!

I tried SUSE Linux a few times and each time I needed help their community
bent over backwards to provide support. It all looks very good to me. I like
the iPad a lot. I¹d use that if I could get away with it. Sometimes it is
painful to use. Sometimes it is pure joy. It just depends. It doesn¹t have
all the answers to my computing needs. I¹d like to see Apple go ARM

ios devices are arm, however, macs remain intel, at least for now.

I’m referring to the Mac. I’d like to see the Mac go ARM and bring over
some of those benefits to MacOS.

there have been numerous clues over the years that a transition to arm
for macs is coming. apple's arm chips are already benchmarking at or
above many intel chips.

It is shockingly good right now. I have the iPad Pro 10.5� and range
GeekBench on that vs a MacBook Pro dual core i5 3.1 GHz. The A10 was just
about on par.

some of intel's chips are quite late, which is yet another reason why
apple would prefer using their own chips.

I thought I had read somewhere that intel for Apple carries a lot of extra
baggage that they just don’t need. The very deep sleep modes that Arm gives
the iPad would be welcomed on the MacBook.

and
merge in some of the benefits of the iPad into the Mac.

they have been doing that, although some things don't directly match up.

touch and keyboard/mouse are very different paradigms.

Well, I’m the guy who wants the physical keyboard gone and replaced with a
virtual one like the on-screen iPad uses. So...

Microsoft is doing ARM again and it sounds like it could work if you don¹t
need to use apps that require emulation. According to Paul Thurrot the speed
and battery life are good until you emulate to use an x86 app.

it depends on the app.

lightweight apps aren't a problem, but cpu-intensive apps, such as
video rendering, would be.

I’m amazed at the progress made by Apple and Qualcomm on ARM processors. I
don’t think we’re far off from this capability.
I think everything is going the direction of mobile. I do a lot on my
iPhone.

absolutely. mobile is the future.

Absolutely.

--
Peter Kozlov

On 23/05/2018 17:56, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 08:36:49 +0200, Fokke Nauta
wrote:

On 22/05/2018 19:20, ray carter wrote:
Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years.


Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.


Ubuntu isn't the breed of Linuxes. Fedora, though not easy for
beginners, is much better. So is Mint, with a wide spectrum of software.
And there is even a Windows look-alike: Zorin.
In general on Linux machines there is not such a wide variety on
software as on Windows machines, but Linux is more stable and reliable.
But - true - there is hardly any support. But how useful is Windows
support? My experience in this matter is quite bad.

Fokke

On 24/05/2018 00:10, Doomsdrzej wrote:
On Wed, 23 May 2018 12:41:15 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Doomsdrzej
wrote:

Cool - *nix has been doing that for 30 years.

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

yep.

linux is great for servers or embedded devices, but for the desktop,
it's awful. the software selection is very limited and the quality of
what does exist is generally quite poor.

I'm very fond of the operating system to tell you the truth.
Unfortunately, a lot of what I need to do in Linux can't be done not
because Linux itself is incapable, but because nobody produced the
software to do any of it. I need something which can mirror my desktop
to an AppleTV. I can use AirParrot in Windows or some scheme in Linux
which is not likely to work. I like playing games, but most of what I
like isn't available in Linux. I like to rip my CDs securely, but
Linux doesn't have software to do that anymore... etc.

If your needs are basic though, there's no doubt that it's way better
than Windows.


Fully agree.
Linux is much more stable than Windows. And it does not force you nasty
developements down your throat, as Windows does. They really force you
to use their bloody Edge browser (W 10).
But unfortunately there is a lack of specialized sofware. Scientific
Linux is an exeption, and it's derived from Redhat.
Securely ripping cd's, isn't that available on the multimedia Linuxes?

Fokke

nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:

nospam wrote:
In article , Chris
wrote:

Yes, unix and linuxes are far superior to Windows.

You wouldn't know it from using Ubuntu.

The underlying parts might be superior (especially the filesystems and
how they store data on a drive) but their software selections and
reliability are not much better. The support system (fellow users
unless you bought the Linux distribution from a company like Redhat)
is also worse.

Where does one get tech support for Windows then? Given we're all here the
support system is identical despite the fact we've all paid Microsoft for
their software...

a microsoft store is one of the better options.

Never heard of such a thing.

mostly usa, with a few outside the usa, with hands-on tech support and
classes.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/locations/all-locations

Wow! A single store outside of North America. Perfect...

https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/201...osoft-store-pl
anned-regent-street-london/

Regent Street is about as accessible as Australia if I'm lugging around my
gaming pc.

Thanks for confirming there is effectively no tech support for the vast
majority of Microsoft's paying customers.

So what exactly am I getting for my £219.99 RRP*?

* Please tell me no-one actually pays that price :-o