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Old February 13th 18, 04:26 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed
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Old February 13th 18, 04:38 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


I have an external (USB) HD permanently plugged into my computer. It has
4 partitions (shares) each assigned to its own drive letter.

Whenever I boot the system I get any number from 0 to 4 autoplay
dialogues. It seems to be totally random and I've always assumed that it
has something to do with when, within the boot process, it recognises
each share. There's no (to me) obvious reason why it should vary from
boot to boot, but it does!
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Old February 13th 18, 04:51 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


What is "autoplay GUI"? How is boot order set in your machine's bios?
It should normally be something like - HD, DVD-Drive, USB device.
however, some idiots would have set it USB devices, DVD-Drive, HD. You
get all sorts of "Tom" "Dick" and "Harry" here!!!.





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Old February 13th 18, 05:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Rene Lamontagne
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On 02/13/2018 10:38 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


I have an external (USB) HD permanently plugged into my computer. It has
4 partitions (shares) each assigned to its own drive letter.

Whenever I boot the system I get any number from 0 to 4 autoplay
dialogues. It seems to be totally random and I've always assumed that it
has something to do with when, within the boot process, it recognises
each share. There's no (to me) obvious reason why it should vary from
boot to boot, but it does



In autoplay is your external drive set to "take no action"
?

Rene

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Old February 13th 18, 05:24 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


Process Explorer gives these as accessing the drive;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1awqe059to...xpl-J.jpg?dl=0

Oh and, incidentally, autoplay is set to "Ask me every time".

Ed

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Old February 13th 18, 06:14 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


Process Explorer gives these as accessing the drive;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1awqe059to...xpl-J.jpg?dl=0

Oh and, incidentally, autoplay is set to "Ask me every time".

Ed


TXF related entries are transactional NTFS.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...=vs.85%29.aspx

It can typically be used by a backup utility, but why
boggles the mind. It's just annoying. The file system
itself has the USN Journal, which is another level of
journaling for keeping the NTFS partition in good shape.

I have one user with an external, who *cannot* get TXF to stop
with this nonsense, and to do a Safely Remove on the drive, he
has to put the drive in the "Offline" state in Disk Management.
I cannot reproduce the symptoms here.

The "System Volume Information" folder can contain VSS shadows,
again, a technology used for backups as well as System Restore points.
You can use "persistent" VSS shadows for tracking things
between backups (perhaps related to Incrementals or Differentials ???).

CHKDSK has nothing to do with Autoplay.

Neither would backups particularly be related to Autoplay.

Autoplay is probably related to Autoplay.

If it annoys you, why is it even enabled ? I'd just
get out my size 11 hammer and put an end to it.

When a feature doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever,
how long does it take to open the lid on your toolbox
and hammer the **** out of it ?

Same goes for automatically running stuff off an inserted DVD ?
Why ? Why is that even enabled ? Generally *I* know why I
inserted optical media, and *I'll" decide what happens next.
I don't need Clippy helping me with my "task".

Paul
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Old February 13th 18, 06:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Good Guy wrote on 2/13/2018 9:51 AM:
On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


What is "autoplay GUI"?* How is boot order set in your machine's bios?
It should normally be something like - HD, DVD-Drive, USB device.
however, some idiots would have set it USB devices, DVD-Drive, HD.* You
get all sorts of "Tom" "Dick" and "Harry" here!!!.


If a HD that is bootable is first in the list, the devices in the rest
of the list will NEVER be used to boot. The "idiots" have set an order
that allows removable devices/media to be used if available. Is it
possible you have made your "normal" list backwards?
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Old February 13th 18, 07:49 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Jeff Barnett wrote:
Good Guy wrote on 2/13/2018 9:51 AM:
On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


What is "autoplay GUI"?* How is boot order set in your machine's bios?
It should normally be something like - HD, DVD-Drive, USB device.
however, some idiots would have set it USB devices, DVD-Drive, HD.
You get all sorts of "Tom" "Dick" and "Harry" here!!!.


If a HD that is bootable is first in the list, the devices in the rest
of the list will NEVER be used to boot. The "idiots" have set an order
that allows removable devices/media to be used if available. Is it
possible you have made your "normal" list backwards?


There are no boot files on J:

Ed

P.S. Notice the "there are". Hardly anybody uses that these days. The
vast majority say "there is; there's".
https://goo.gl/QzrJWe

Why?

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Old February 13th 18, 08:20 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
J. P. Gilliver (John)[_4_]
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In message , Ed Cryer
writes:
Jeff Barnett wrote:
Good Guy wrote on 2/13/2018 9:51 AM:
On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed

What is "autoplay GUI"?* How is boot order set in your machine's
bios? It should normally be something like - HD, DVD-Drive, USB
device. however, some idiots would have set it USB devices,
DVD-Drive, HD. You get all sorts of "Tom" "Dick" and "Harry" here!!!.

If a HD that is bootable is first in the list, the devices in the
rest of the list will NEVER be used to boot. The "idiots" have set an
order that allows removable devices/media to be used if available. Is
it possible you have made your "normal" list backwards?


Neither way is idiotic.

Having the HD first protects you against having left a bootable (e. g.)
CD in the drive, especially one you didn't _know_ was bootable, through
a reboot (especially if unintended, such as might be caused by certain
kinds of power outages). On the other hand, it means you'll have to go
into the BIOS and change it if you ever _want_ to boot from a CD (as I
do when I do a Macrium backup).

There are no boot files on J:

Ed

P.S. Notice the "there are". Hardly anybody uses that these days. The
vast majority say "there is; there's".
https://goo.gl/QzrJWe


It would never even _occur_ to me to write "there is no" followed by a
plural. ("There is no boot file" would be OK, though I'd not say it.)

Why?

Why what - why is that incorrect, or why do (IYO) most people get it
wrong? (Surely a commoner error is much/many and allied matters.)
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Old February 13th 18, 08:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Good Guy[_2_]
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On 13/02/2018 18:37, Jeff Barnett wrote:

If a HD that is bootable is first in the list, the devices in the rest
of the list will NEVER be used to boot.


That is the idea to block people from booting anything from a USB
device. The reason is people can use Live Linux device and crack/remove
Administrator password and create havocs on the system.

In a corporate environment, the boot order is Network first so that
periodically you may want to refresh the system by reinstalling the OS
and applications from the images stored on the network drive. We use
Symantec Restore AnyWhere for this purpose. Very safe method IMO.


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Old February 13th 18, 08:37 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Ed Cryer
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the
autoplay GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


Process Explorer gives these as accessing the drive;
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1awqe059to...xpl-J.jpg?dl=0

Oh and, incidentally, autoplay is set to "Ask me every time".

Ed


TXF related entries are transactional NTFS.

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/lib...=vs.85%29.aspx


It can typically be used by a backup utility, but why
boggles the mind. It's just annoying. The file system
itself has the USN Journal, which is another level of
journaling for keeping the NTFS partition in good shape.

I have one user with an external, who *cannot* get TXF to stop
with this nonsense, and to do a Safely Remove on the drive, he
has to put the drive in the "Offline" state in Disk Management.
I cannot reproduce the symptoms here.

The "System Volume Information" folder can contain VSS shadows,
again, a technology used for backups as well as System Restore points.
You can use "persistent" VSS shadows for tracking things
between backups (perhaps related to Incrementals or Differentials ???).

CHKDSK has nothing to do with Autoplay.

Neither would backups particularly be related to Autoplay.

Autoplay is probably related to Autoplay.

If it annoys you, why is it even enabled ? I'd just
get out my size 11 hammer and put an end to it.

When a feature doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever,
how long does it take to open the lid on your toolbox
and hammer the **** out of it ?

Same goes for automatically running stuff off an inserted DVD ?
Why ? Why is that even enabled ? Generally *I* know why I
inserted optical media, and *I'll" decide what happens next.
I don't need Clippy helping me with my "task".

** Paul


Which gets the best attention from MS HQ? Win10 or Win7?
Win10: without a doubt.
People get demoted into Win7; sorry pal, but you haven't made the
corporate grade. You can't lie with ease, and traumatise your conscience.

The Win7 team aren't like Tom Cruise's Mission Impossible team; they're
much slower, less bright, slower, more focused on personal survival.
Me? I'd leap off the world's highest building with a string tied to my
waist; and I'd stop 6" above the ground, arms outspread and ready for
the final crunch, and rescue some member of the frailer sex.
A knight in shining armour; Sir Galahad.

Ed
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Old February 13th 18, 10:06 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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On 13/02/2018 17:09, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/13/2018 10:38 AM, Roger Mills wrote:
On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


I have an external (USB) HD permanently plugged into my computer. It
has 4 partitions (shares) each assigned to its own drive letter.

Whenever I boot the system I get any number from 0 to 4 autoplay
dialogues. It seems to be totally random and I've always assumed that
it has something to do with when, within the boot process, it
recognises each share. There's no (to me) obvious reason why it should
vary from boot to boot, but it does



In autoplay is your external drive set to "take no action"
?

Rene


I've never explicitly set it to anything as far as I can remember.

It doesn't open any files, but displays all the usual options of Play
using Windows Media Player, Add files, Copy Disc, Play audio files using
.. . , etc.
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Old February 13th 18, 10:09 PM posted to alt.windows7.general
Roger Mills[_2_]
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On 13/02/2018 17:14, KenW wrote:
On Tue, 13 Feb 2018 16:38:47 +0000, Roger
wrote:

On 13/02/2018 16:26, Ed Cryer wrote:
I have an external HD plugged permanently into this machine.
For some time now whenever I did a reboot it would produce the autoplay
GUI. But now it's started doing the same with a boot as well.
Checkdisk comes clean, 0% fragmented.

Does anybody know the cause?

Ed


I have an external (USB) HD permanently plugged into my computer. It has
4 partitions (shares) each assigned to its own drive letter.

Whenever I boot the system I get any number from 0 to 4 autoplay
dialogues. It seems to be totally random and I've always assumed that it
has something to do with when, within the boot process, it recognises
each share. There's no (to me) obvious reason why it should vary from
boot to boot, but it does!


That is why I have auto play turned off for everything.


KenW


I didn't realise that you could - but now I have!
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