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Vista Is Bad Butt Pista Is Horrendous!!!!
On Feb 22, 3:07 pm, 7 wrote:
nym shifting asstroturfing coward wrote on behalf of micoshaft corporation: I Vista is the pistake pista. Its bad so let us De-Pistify your PC!!! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ + + + Micoshaft Pista Newcomer FAQ and Primer + + Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 + + Group: Pista Installees + + + + Copyright (c) 2007 Pista Removal Reality Team + + Sponsored by Micoshaft Corporation + + Released Under GPL 3 License + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Welcome to the Windopz De-Pistification FAQette. WoW that was a mouthful wasn't it boys and girls?! Have you De-Pistified your PC? Let me explain: You bought vista crap from our sponsor micoshaft corporation and you realize after hours of reboots and re-installs that our sponsor micoshaft has taken the **** out of you. So you decide that this vista Pista is not for you. Now you want to de-install Pista but expee takes up even more hours and all your driver diskettes are mislaid/lost and application cds are fscked because your dog has been shagging it for some time, etc, etc, etc. Oh Smuck is me you cry out in vain as your PC craps out on you leaving you with nothing despite you having paid truck loads of money. Then light at the end of the tunnel appears in the form of Linux. Now you get angry and use Linux in anger to recover you data. RAAAAARRRrrrr... you growl through into the night recovering data, learning GNU/Linux and by midnight all your work is done, your computers are working, you learned many things and Linux with Beryl is the king. You can sleep in peace knowing Linux is your friend and share your dreams with others... Get Linux here... http://www.livecdlist.com http://www.distrowatch.com For Beryl, downloaded latest beta release of Ubuntu (Feisty Fawn)... http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ Install Beryl using the 3 click guide which links from here... http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/I...eryl_on_Ubuntu And so WoW, after 3 clicks, you have Beryl up and running on your PC!!! All that remains is now for you to stick the De-Pistification Inventory label on your PC to complete the job... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ + + + Windopz De-Pistified PC + + OS: Ubuntu + Beryl + + Edition: 21 - 9/24/06 + + SN: 69 68 69 96 69 + + + + Copyright (c) 2006 Pista Removal Reality Team + + Released Under GPL 3 License + ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Be sure to come back for more in the next installation of Micoshaft Pista Removal FAQ and Primer - Edition 22. Please don't take this the wrong way, but are you mentally retarded? I'm just curious. |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:34:56 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User
wrote: A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so many, and the time to use them all.. Combine 15,000 free applications with a childishly simple package manager/installer and one tends to develop a very large toolbox. :-) |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
you mean like yesterday when you were mouthing off that Vista is outselling
XP? "Justin" wrote in message ... Alias is posting? Oh brother! Be like me and block that fool! He's been caught lying so many times I've lost count. you mean like he other day when you were mouthing off that Vista is outselling XP in its 1st month? |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
"Dean G." wrote in message s.com...
On Feb 22, 12:34 pm, wrote: On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W" wrote: "Alias" wrote in message ... Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.comOrderthe 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my system The problem with Linux is that while the postage may be free, the time required to make Linux work is astronomical. Sure the Linux pundits will cry "it works fine for me" and blame the user, but the internet is chock full of Linux horror stories. A quick Google search finds far more Windows horror stories, with far worse results, particularly on the malware front. Naturally so, since Windows has many more users, and the average Windows user is not very computer savvy. I have to side with the OP on this issue. I consider myself technically competent, having started my personal computer acquaintance with writing assembly language programs for the Timex Sinclair 1000 and the Commodore 64 back in the early 80's. About once a year I try installing a new Linux variant. Invariably one or more of my computer system components are not supported. Typically it will be the modem, or graphics card, or printer. Yes, there are workarounds available, which involve much research and hand-editing some very obscure settings file. I don't have the time to do that! Windows XP just works, and if I need to change some setting, there is an intuitive GUI available to do so. -- Gary VanderMolen |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
You need 15000 tools in your toolbox?
"arachnid" wrote in message newsan.2007.02.22.20.20.55.607780@goawayspammers .com... On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:34:56 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so many, and the time to use them all.. Combine 15,000 free applications with a childishly simple package manager/installer and one tends to develop a very large toolbox. :-) -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
Yes, he's using Linux after all! Hehehehe
"Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... You need 15000 tools in your toolbox? "arachnid" wrote in message newsan.2007.02.22.20.20.55.607780@goawayspammers .com... On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:34:56 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so many, and the time to use them all.. Combine 15,000 free applications with a childishly simple package manager/installer and one tends to develop a very large toolbox. :-) -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
"Dean G." wrote in
s.com: I've always wondered what "works for me" actually means when spoken by a Linux zealot. Funny, I've always wondered what "works for me" meant what spoken by a Windows user. Does it mean the system boot (and reboots, and reboots, and reboots...) Does it mean it starts up and shows the desktop ? Does it mean the Windows PC is turned into a zombie spewing spam to clutter everyone's inbox ? Does it mean it defrags the disk every month ? Does it mean that Windows is a good platform for key-logging malware ? Does it mean it functions just enough that the user doesn't have to actually think, so everything must be OK ? Does it mean it cam pre-installed, so the user will live with it instead of considering other option ? Does it mean complaining about Linux not having every driver, while Vista is OK even though the driver support is even more marginal ? It seems "it works" has an odd meaning for Windows users. AND LINUX Users. Maybe the Windows standard is so low exactly because it is pre- installed, and thus many of the users know little if anything about the alternatives. Yeah, Grandma hasn't done her research on all of the computers they sell at Walmart. Maybe the Vista users will be happy with all the DRM restrictions , constant running of security and maintenance programs, and the constant nagging of the user controls ? Maybe they don't mind that they are susceptible to malware. Maybe they just don't want to admit that they spend so much for an OS that is worse than the free alternatives. Denial is a very powerful thing. Uncle George's O/S was pre-installed, therefore it was 'free'. Aunt June's $300 Dell came pre-installed also. Very few people actually make an effort to go out and buy an operating system to upgrade their home PC. 99.8% (minumum) of MS Non-server OS Sales are OEM pushed by Dell/HP/Compaq, etc. I recommend Linux to others, because the Windows users are always calling me about some problem or another. If MS wanted to pay me for each time I had to re-install Windows for one of their users, then I might have a different view. If MS wanted to pay me for each time I had to walk someone through booting into safe mode to remove some kind of malware, then maybe I'd be more likely to have a "pro-Windows" stance. But then it would be $elf-$erving, and certainly not an honest opinion. That may be your opinion of Windows XP, but not my personal experience with it. Of all the people you had recommeded Linux to, how many have actually done it and have NOT called you for help ? Meanwhile, I have better things to do than fix the constant problems Windows users have. Like spend your time teaching people how to install Linux ? How to search for and find drivers for Linux ? Teaching them how to administer Linux... Dean G. Windows on your PC - it works better for the spammers than it does for you. |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Feb 23, 5:59 am, wrote:
After reading about Linux I decided to give it a try on another system which is an older P4 2.4G system based around an Asus board. I downloaded Fedora and attempted to install. First problem, my SATA drives were not found. Try a different distribution then, the various distributions would have their strengths and weaknsses in ferreting out hardware. Having said that, though, most modern distributions will install with 100% success on most machines, the exceptions being the support of winmodems and certain other hardware items for which there are no or less than perfect Linux drivers. |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
Linux is not designed as a family OS or whatever you want. Almost everything
for it is 3rd party. The whole instalation to get it functional doesn't take very long. Yes, there are add ons, but with what computer are there not? "Alias" wrote in message ... Gary wrote: Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years. LOL! Mine was ready to go right away. Alias "Dean G." wrote in message ups.com... On Feb 22, 12:22 pm, "Brian W" wrote: "Alias" wrote in message ... Funny, I installed Ubuntu in less than half an hour. Try Ubuntu. www.ubuntu.comOrder the 6.06 CD. They send it to you free and pay the postage. That's still more time than I ever plan to spend installing it on my system So you have no OS ? I know of no recent OS that takes less than 30 minutes to install on a PC. When you consider that Linux also installs many applications, which require a separate and also long installation on other OS's. Thus you are saying that the fastest installing OS is too slow for you, so you are going to use a slower one. Not only that, but if you go with a pre-installed OS, then you are likely going to end up re-installing the OS several times, as even the experts who promote that OS suggest an re-install at least annually, and perhaps more often for power users. Abort, Retry, Fail, Reboot, Reinstall, Remit all of your money to Redmond. Smile, you are one of those people Stalin called "useful". Dean G. |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Feb 22, 4:30 pm, DanS
wrote: "Dean G." wrote ups.com: I've always wondered what "works for me" actually means when spoken by a Linux zealot. Funny, I've always wondered what "works for me" meant what spoken by a Windows user. Does it mean the system boot (and reboots, and reboots, and reboots...) Does it mean it starts up and shows the desktop ? Does it mean the Windows PC is turned into a zombie spewing spam to clutter everyone's inbox ? Does it mean it defrags the disk every month ? Does it mean that Windows is a good platform for key-logging malware ? Does it mean it functions just enough that the user doesn't have to actually think, so everything must be OK ? Does it mean it cam pre-installed, so the user will live with it instead of considering other option ? Does it mean complaining about Linux not having every driver, while Vista is OK even though the driver support is even more marginal ? It seems "it works" has an odd meaning for Windows users. AND LINUX Users. Maybe the Windows standard is so low exactly because it is pre- installed, and thus many of the users know little if anything about the alternatives. Yeah, Grandma hasn't done her research on all of the computers they sell at Walmart. Maybe the Vista users will be happy with all the DRM restrictions , constant running of security and maintenance programs, and the constant nagging of the user controls ? Maybe they don't mind that they are susceptible to malware. Maybe they just don't want to admit that they spend so much for an OS that is worse than the free alternatives. Denial is a very powerful thing. Uncle George's O/S was pre-installed, therefore it was 'free'. Aunt June's $300 Dell came pre-installed also. Very few people actually make an effort to go out and buy an operating system to upgrade their home PC. 99.8% (minumum) of MS Non-server OS Sales are OEM pushed by Dell/HP/Compaq, etc. I recommend Linux to others, because the Windows users are always calling me about some problem or another. If MS wanted to pay me for each time I had to re-install Windows for one of their users, then I might have a different view. If MS wanted to pay me for each time I had to walk someone through booting into safe mode to remove some kind of malware, then maybe I'd be more likely to have a "pro-Windows" stance. But then it would be $elf-$erving, and certainly not an honest opinion. That may be your opinion of Windows XP, but not my personal experience with it. Of all the people you had recommeded Linux to, how many have actually done it and have NOT called you for help ? Meanwhile, I have better things to do than fix the constant problems Windows users have. Like spend your time teaching people how to install Linux ? How to search for and find drivers for Linux ? Teaching them how to administer Linux... Dean G. Windows on your PC - it works better for the spammers than it does for you.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Well here is just a snippet of what I had to go through to get my Nvidia video card to function properly under Linux. http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=81001 If you read through that link you will see how insane it is to get Linux to work with common hardware like an Nvidia Fx5500 and a widescreen LCD. Maybe I should have kept my DEC orange screen monochrome CRT. I'll bet Linux would work great with that one. The average user doesn't stand an ice cubes chance in hell of getting Linux to work properly with modern hardware and by work I mean up to the same level that the hardware is supported by Windows. IOW getting a 640x480 raster under Linux with a card that supports 1280x1024 under Windows doesn't count. Neither does having an inkjet printer that prints color under Windows print monochrome under Linux. |
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I had an e-mail client who wanted to know if I could get her a 'knitting
pattern' program for Linux as her 'dumb bunny' husband (her words) had made the switch from Windows to Linux.. unfortunately, there was nothing available, but the husband held out until he came to want to play his favorite Toca 2 racing game.. oops.. it was not a Linux game, and his steering wheel and pedals were useless too.. the switch back to Windows was made, and I received a happy e-mail from the lady, who announced that the family computer was back in business again, having been used by nobody, including 'dumb bunny' since the installation of Linux.. "Justin" wrote in message ... Yes, he's using Linux after all! Hehehehe "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... You need 15000 tools in your toolbox? "arachnid" wrote in message newsan.2007.02.22.20.20.55.607780@goawayspammers .com... On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:34:56 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so many, and the time to use them all.. Combine 15,000 free applications with a childishly simple package manager/installer and one tends to develop a very large toolbox. :-) -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
Hum...I constantly have my printer offline from network printing (at home)
which makes my wife frustrated. This makes me wonder what she's calling me?!?!? Good story btw, it's probably more typical then most may think. "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... I had an e-mail client who wanted to know if I could get her a 'knitting pattern' program for Linux as her 'dumb bunny' husband (her words) had made the switch from Windows to Linux.. unfortunately, there was nothing available, but the husband held out until he came to want to play his favorite Toca 2 racing game.. oops.. it was not a Linux game, and his steering wheel and pedals were useless too.. the switch back to Windows was made, and I received a happy e-mail from the lady, who announced that the family computer was back in business again, having been used by nobody, including 'dumb bunny' since the installation of Linux.. "Justin" wrote in message ... Yes, he's using Linux after all! Hehehehe "Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User" wrote in message ... You need 15000 tools in your toolbox? "arachnid" wrote in message newsan.2007.02.22.20.20.55.607780@goawayspammers .com... On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:34:56 -0500, Mike Hall - MS MVP Windows Shell/User wrote: A few hundred apps and then a few hundred more? Amazed that you find so many, and the time to use them all.. Combine 15,000 free applications with a childishly simple package manager/installer and one tends to develop a very large toolbox. :-) -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ -- Mike Hall MS MVP Windows Shell/User http://msmvps.com/blogs/mikehall/ |
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Vista Is Bad But Linux Is Horrendous!!!!
On Feb 22, 2:14 pm, wrote:
On Feb 22, 1:58 pm, "Dean G." wrote: On Feb 22, 1:11 pm, "Gary" wrote: Its not how long it takes to install that counts. Its how long it takes you to get it to work that really counts. Vista a few hours. Linux days, months, years. Ubuntu worked fine for me right after the install. The last version I had that took more than a few hours was Slackware 3.0, but that was a long time ago, and the then current Windows version (95) took longer to set up even with the vaunted "plug and play", which didn't really work. Also, Linux does far more out of the box. People like to compare a full distro of Linux to a bare OS install of Linux. Yes, maybe Windows is installed and "working", but you still can't do anything. Ubuntu, on the other hand, is ready to go with applications. You "working" Windows box still needs more work. It takes far longer to install Windows AND the equivalent applications. Hopefully Vista will do away with the Windows Multiple Reboot Boogie, but I wouldn't count on it. Dean G. So what you are saying is that I used the wrong version of Linux? Yes. The Fedora release is for people who are familiar with Red Hat from work. It is not intended as a beginners starting point. If I were to complain about trouble installing Windows 2003 Server on my lapotop, and then go on to say I'll never use Windows again because it obviously isn't ready for prime time, what would you say ? That is essentially the same thing you have done, so get over yourself. Tell me, what is the right version of Linux? What is the right car ? Like all things, it depends upon your purpose. Even Windows is getting in the game by diversifying their product line. Simply put, one size fits all isn't a good idea. There seem to be so many different versions and I figured since Fedora is associated with Redhat, it must be a well developed version of Linux. It is a well developed version of Linux if you need to run enterprise class applications. It is not a home or beginners OS. Ubuntu is known for being easy. the also have separate education and server editions. Pick the right one for your purpose. I was wrong. As for Linux shipping with a lot of applications this is true. However getting networking, printing, proper video and actually being able to boot the system is far more important to me than a lot of applications. All of this worked for me upon install, as did the applications. Linux is so pitiful and I got frustrated, after days of mucking with Linux BTW, that I tossed it and I don't intend to try it again until it reaches the point where it is installable and usable on common hardware. It is, but if you have chosen to be a deliberately obastinate troll. I just don't have the time to spend futzing with an operating system and I doubt other common users do either. Other common users would try Ubuntu, or Mandriva, or version known to be easy to use. They would not chose versions geared toward technical experts and then complain about the complexity. It takes a special kind of... person to do that. Dean G. |
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