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Old June 19th 20, 06:58 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Will creating an image drag my problem with it?

I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or two,
is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with their
hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????

I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(

I'll run it again for 2? hours. 3?

So if it's not memory, maybe I should just reinstall Windows 10 on top
of what I'm running now?

I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.

Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.

***Acronis True Image 19 Backup universal restore, and
Paragon Bakcup and REcovery 10.

I havent' tried either of these yet, but I really want to.
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Old June 19th 20, 07:20 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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micky wrote:
I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or two,
is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with their
hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????

I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(

I'll run it again for 2? hours. 3?

So if it's not memory, maybe I should just reinstall Windows 10 on top
of what I'm running now?

I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.

Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.

***Acronis True Image 19 Backup universal restore, and
Paragon Bakcup and REcovery 10.

I havent' tried either of these yet, but I really want to.


On memtest, I use the pass counter and "one pass" is enough.

For the new-to-you machine, I'd just install Windows 10 from
the DVD.

You can bring over the drive from the duff machine, and
carry out tests on that drive, using your new-to-you machine.

Paul
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Old June 19th 20, 09:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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Default Will creating an image drag my problem with it?

In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:44:31 -0600, KenW
wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:20:37 -0400, Paul
wrote:

micky wrote:
I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or two,
is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with their
hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????

I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(

I'll run it again for 2? hours. 3?


This time I ran it for 90 minutes, one pass and it had started the next,
and no errors.

So if it's not memory, maybe I should just reinstall Windows 10 on top
of what I'm running now?

I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.


This time instead of from a winkey/run box, I started a cmd box and ran
it. Counted off the percent complete and took 20 minutes. No error
messages but at the end said this:

Windows Resource Protection found corrupt files and successfully
repaired them.
For online repairs, details are included in the CBS log file located at
windir\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For example C:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log. For
offline
repairs, details are included in the log file provided by the
/OFFLOGFILE flag.

I lookeed at C:\Windows\Logs\CBS\CBS.log and there was a 98K file that
was hard to understand, but no clear examples of files fixed.

Also, from two nights ago, when I thought it only ran for 3 seconds,
there was a 32meg file with a longer name, maaybe because it closed in
4the middle, but it also was hard to udnerstand with no clear messages
replacement. The time stamps indicated it ran for 9 minutes, even
though the box disappeared, though it might be the concatenation of my 3
tries. Certainly each try printed a lot of lines to the log.

Whatever it did or did not do, it couldn't have fixed it because it
crashed again since I started writing this post.

Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


I did this too and when I restarted windows, it immediately said it was
at 100%

It had said: The /I or /C switch reduces the amount of time required to
run Chkdsk by skipping certain checks of the volume.

So I used /I and /c. Is that why it took no time at all to run?

I'm trying again without the extra parms.


**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.

***Acronis True Image 19 Backup universal restore, and
Paragon Bakcup and REcovery 10.

I havent' tried either of these yet, but I really want to.


On memtest, I use the pass counter and "one pass" is enough.

For the new-to-you machine, I'd just install Windows 10 from
the DVD.

You can bring over the drive from the duff machine, and
carry out tests on that drive, using your new-to-you machine.


I've got loads of little things installed and loads of settings set. I
dont' think I can find them all without copying what is there now. Isn't
it too late to do that after I've installed 10.

OTOH If I copy what is there now, will I bring over the curerent
problem?

Paul

Doing a repair install has helped me in the past. Ver 2004 had
problems on one machine (crazy stuff !) a reinstall worked like a
charm.
If I were you, I would try that.


I'll work on that too.


KenW


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Old June 19th 20, 11:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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micky wrote:

I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week
or two, is using one of the desktop computers people have given
me, with their hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now,
if I image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever
problem I have with me?????


That depends on what your problem is.
One thing for sure. You should "image your harddrive" immediately if you
haven't already. Everybody should have an image of their hard drive,
using Macrium Reflect (the current best solution). Whenever there is a
sign of trouble, the very first thing you do is make a copy of your
system. Never try troubleshooting without first making a backup.
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Old June 19th 20, 11:25 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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On 19/06/2020 18:58, micky wrote:

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????


Probably not but repair install of OS will cure most problems. However,
you are a person of low intelligence judging by the number of problems
and issues you have posted here so most problems are best solved by a
technically competent person!Â*Â* This could be your local repair store or
some Indian or Chinese technician who is working on freelance basis -
cash in hand job!. Even some latinos are better qualified than yourself.



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On 19/06/2020 18:58, micky wrote:

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????


Probably not but repair install of OS will cure most problems. However,
you are a person of low intelligence judging by the number of problems
and issues you have posted here so most problems are best solved by a
technically competent person!¶ÿ¶ÿ This could be your local repair store or
some Indian or Chinese technician who is working on freelance basis -
cash in hand job!. Even some latinos are better qualified than yourself.



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Old June 20th 20, 12:10 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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micky wrote:

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or
two, is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with
their hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if
I image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem
I have with me?????


Obviously if you bring over the exact software image you used elsewhere
then you will experience the same software-generated issues. Only if
the problem were solely hardware based would you not incur them with new
or different hardware.

However, with an HDD in the borrowed hardware, just how are you going to
use it? How are you going to clone your current HDD image onto the
borrowed hardware that doesn't have an HDD? If you move your HDD into
the borrowed computer, you don't need to clone at all. There will be
problems with drivers, in that you will need to install drivers for the
actual hardware in the borrowed computer rather than attempt to reuse
those already installed but were for your old computer.

I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(


Run it overnight when you are asleep hence not tempted to interrupt its
testing with your use of the computer. Either memtest gets to use your
computer, or you do, but not both.

I'll run it again for 2? hours. 3?


As I recall, when I left it to run overnight, like 10 to 12 hours, it
managed to get through 2 passes and was into the 3rd pass. However, you
did not mention here how much memory is getting tested. When I last
used memtest on my Win7 host, that had 8 GB of system RAM (maximum it
could handle on the mobo). In my current build with 64 GB of system
RAM, it would likely be more than a day to get through 1 pass; i.e.,
pick an evening to start before going to bed, the next day is planned to
be away from home (no temptation or nuisance in not getting to use the
computer), go to sleep, and the next morning maybe it will be available
after completing a pass or two. I let memtest go through at least 2
passes. If there are any errors, 3 passes minimum to verify the same
exact error is noted.

However, memtest not finding any error doesn't mean there won't be any
under load. memtest is not a high-load test. Writing a pattern to
memory and then reading it does not incur a high load on the CPU or data
bus. I've had memtest go through 7 passes with no errors, but still get
memory errors due to timing problems when running Windows with a typical
complement of startup programs. You need to test the memory under high
load, like run Prime95 or a portable version of HeavyLoad. However,
those won't pinpoint which memory block had a failure, but then that
info is unlikely to pinpoint which memory module has the defect. Some
folks used to use AIDA64, but it stressed graphics over CPU as did
powerMax. You still end up yanking out all memory modules and testing
one at a time. Errors can hide unless less than heavy load scenarios,
so tools like memtest won't find them. You can see some info on stress
test tools at:

https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...uide,5461.html

Warning: If you don't have proper cooling to keep components within the
operating temperature range, you risk damaging those components. Stress
testing can stress the components beyond survival.

I do not overclock anything. For BIOS settings, the meager 4%, or much
less, speed gain won't be noticeable in use of the computer. I don't
overclock the video card, either. I prefer stability and usablity over
an erratic, unstable, and occasional speed boost. If I want faster
speed, I get natively faster hardware.

So if it's not memory, maybe I should just reinstall Windows 10 on top
of what I'm running now?


Haven't bothered [re]reviewing your past posts. Have you tried loading
Windows in its safe mode? Microsoft made it a bitch to get into safe
mode for Windows 10 but it is doable (an online search will show you
how). That eliminates startup programs (many you may not need or may
not even want to load) and non-critical services. About as clean as
you're going to get other than a fresh OS install.

I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.


Did you run it inside a command shell, so its console window doesn't
close immediately after running a program within it? Running a
console-mode program means it will show its window, if it creates one,
only for as long as that program runs. Whether or not there are errors,
the console window will disappear when the console-mode program ends.
Maybe you ran it at the command line (no separate console window already
opened within which the program runs), it errored, and its console
window immediately closed, so you couldn't see the error.

Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


That might help. If it is an HDD (not an SSD), make sure to add the /r
command-line switch. Also try the disk diagnostic tool provide by the
disk's own manufacturer. There are better HDD diag tools (e.g.,
SpinRite, HDD Regenerator, HD Sentinel, etc) but they are payware. HD
Tune has a better tester, but to get it (to include the destructive
write test) is payware. Read-only testing with freeware is limited
value giving only half of the testing without the write testing.

Linux folks might suggest pre-bundled HDD diag tools, but you'll need to
create a bootable CD/DVD or USB drive with a linux distro to use those
tools, and know enough Linux, like read a Linux For Dummies book, to
know what you're doing.

**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.


Taking about some software updater tool? Often they suggest newer
drivers based solely on the release date of the drivers. They naively
figure that newer is better. Yet new drivers have new code, and new
code might fix old bugs but new code is also fraught with new bugs. You
use the driver that is most stable on your system that satifies the
requirements by software that will use those drivers. I've found many
times that newer drivers are NOT the better choice. For example, video
drivers will add new code to add compatibility with new games but
sacrifice compatibility for old games. You have to install the latest
video driver which still supports your old games, or discard your old
games and just play the new ones.

Those driver update suggestion tools may also suggest the wrong driver.
Sometimes hardware is grouped into a family having different versions of
hardware, and the different versions might have different hardware with
each requiring a different driver. A driver updater suggesting a new
driver for a hardware product might not pick the correct version or
hardware component config on the particular hardware that YOU have.
I've hit that problem with DSP analog data/fax modems, where different
versions of the same family of modems used DSPs from different chip
makers, and the newest DSP driver supported the latest hardware version
rather than the one that *I* had. When something suggests you get a new
driver version, don't let it update anything. Determine YOURSELF if the
latest driver is applicable to what hardware you actually have (rather
than what can be tested via firmware strings which may be generic), and
if the driver actually provides any fixed functionality or new features
that you really do need.

No matter what updater tool you use, ultimately YOU are still
responsible as the self-appointed sysadmin to determine which, if any,
are applicable and usable by your hardware configuration.

Or are you talking about backup programs with a bare metal mode? Those
can attempt a restore using generic drivers (typically those already
bundled with the OS) where you can incorporate drivers specific to your
hardware. However, I've never quite understood how that is different
than you installing a fresh copy of the OS and doing the driver updates
yourself. Yes, you don't have to install all the programs again, but
that really doesn't take that long, plus a fresh install gets rid of all
the registry and config pollution you'd drag along. As for data, well
you should be relying on a backup from which to restore those files.

Bare metal restores are to help the IT folks save some time. They have
to manage hundreds of workstations, they have limited manpower, and need
to finish repairing one workstation as soon as possible to become
available to help other employees with problems. That's not your
situation. Also, bare metal restores are mostly used when the backup
image gets migrated to new or different hardware, not when restoring to
the same computer which still has the same hardware configuration.
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Old June 25th 20, 02:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:58:55 -0400, micky
wrote:

I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or two,
is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with their
hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????


Well, I installed the clone and had the same problem. So either it's
in the PC, the memorey or the CPU or something, or it's in the software
and the clone has it too, of course.

I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(


I ran memtest for 10 hours, 3 or 4 posses, and it gave no errors.


I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.


I ran sfc /scannow not from the Run box but from a DOS box and it 10
minutes or something and noted no errors.

Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.

***Acronis True Image 19 Backup universal restore, and
Paragon Bakcup and REcovery 10.

I havent' tried either of these yet, but I really want to.


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Old June 25th 20, 03:48 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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micky wrote:
In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:58:55 -0400, micky
wrote:

I've posted about my 10 crashes in the last week.

It's working now.

Quicker than buying another PC, which I know will take me a week or two,
is using one of the desktop computers people have given me, with their
hdd removed.

Assuming** that their hardware is exactly like what I'm using now, if I
image my harddrive, and install that, will I drag whatever problem I
have with me?????


Well, I installed the clone and had the same problem. So either it's
in the PC, the memorey or the CPU or something, or it's in the software
and the clone has it too, of course.
I ran Memtest Wednesday and found no errors, but I only ran it 45
minutes before I had to stop to watch a zoom session, which turned out
to be on Thursday anyhow and turned out to not be very good. :=(


I ran memtest for 10 hours, 3 or 4 posses, and it gave no errors.

I ran sfc /scannow but each time it closed after 10 seconds or less.
That seems bad, but no error message.


I ran sfc /scannow not from the Run box but from a DOS box and it 10
minutes or something and noted no errors.
Maybe I should run checkdisk for the HDD?


**I have software*** that uses generic drivers at first, until the
proper drivers can be installed, so that one can copy a system to a
different computer.

***Acronis True Image 19 Backup universal restore, and
Paragon Bakcup and REcovery 10.

I havent' tried either of these yet, but I really want to.



So it's probably some sort of driver issue. Or something
evil some application cooked up, which is giving the
OS indigestion.

*******

The Prime95 package, has an option called the Torture Test.
Before the program will trust the ability of a computer to
compute or check large prime numbers, it needs to check
that the computer is healthy. You can use this software
to check for flaky hardware on your computer. This is a
step past Memtest, and uncovers problems Memtest cannot
see. I recommend a minimum of four hours testing, without
any thread throwing an error.

https://www.mersenne.org/download/

When it asks to "Join GIMPS", say No.

http://www.playtool.com/pages/prime95/prime95.html

In (6) here, you can see a "thread of execution per CPU core".
In your four hour test period, none of those should turn "RED".
"RED" means there was a failure.

https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/...-your-cpu.html

You could try the Blend option for a starting run.

Using custom and getting the memory allocation set correctly,
takes a bit of practice before you get it right.

That program has, on some occasion, used AVX (that's a type
of CPU instruction). See posting #2 here, for some mention
of turning that off if it makes the machine too unstable.
Some machines don't have the AVX which runs hot, so there
is less to worry about. My newest machine doesn't have
the fancy flavor of AVX, so I probably won't be reading
post #2.

https://forums.tomshardware.com/thre...o-avx.3515075/

In any case, it's a worthwhile "extended" test for memory.
As long as you select an option that "tests lots of memory".
Small FFTs won't do that especially well. But a Small FFT
might uncover a defective CPU.

Paul
 




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