So the Win 10 2004 update was finally presented to my computer, I'mdiving in!

The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited
a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and install it,
rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably
won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably already gone to
sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Yousuf Khan

Yousuf Khan wrote:
The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited
a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and install it,
rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably
won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably already gone to
sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Yousuf Khan

You're supposed to set a good example, by having a
backup, before pressing the button :-)

Paul

On 6/20/2020 1:35 AM, Paul wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:
The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I
waited a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and
install it, rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you
probably won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably
already gone to sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Â*Â*Â* Yousuf Khan

You're supposed to set a good example, by having a
backup, before pressing the button :-)

Don't worry, I did back it up, that's what I was waiting for to complete.

So I'm back, and so is my computer, and as usual, the update knocked out
the Windows 7 style gadgets. The previous update 1909, was one of the
few that left the gadgets alone, but now 2004 killed them again. So I'm
going to have to reinstall them again! I'll see if anything else was borked.

Yousuf Khan

"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
...
On 6/20/2020 1:35 AM, Paul wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:
The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited
a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and install it,
rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably
won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably already gone to
sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Yousuf Khan

You're supposed to set a good example, by having a
backup, before pressing the button :-)

Don't worry, I did back it up, that's what I was waiting for to complete.

So I'm back, and so is my computer, and as usual, the update knocked out
the Windows 7 style gadgets. The previous update 1909, was one of the few
that left the gadgets alone, but now 2004 killed them again. So I'm going
to have to reinstall them again! I'll see if anything else was borked.

Yousuf Khan

Your Win7 Solitaire games will be borked also, if you have them installed.
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SC Tom

On 6/20/20 6:56 AM, this is what SC Tom wrote:


"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message ...
On 6/20/2020 1:35 AM, Paul wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:
The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and
install it, rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably
already gone to sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Â*Â*Â* Yousuf Khan

You're supposed to set a good example, by having a
backup, before pressing the button :-)

Don't worry, I did back it up, that's what I was waiting for to complete.

So I'm back, and so is my computer, and as usual, the update knocked out the Windows 7 style gadgets. The previous update 1909, was one of
the few that left the gadgets alone, but now 2004 killed them again. So I'm going to have to reinstall them again! I'll see if anything
else was borked.

Yousuf Khan

Your Win7 Solitaire games will be borked also, if you have them installed.

Are those the same that I installed on Win 8.1 that were tweaked to run and skip the Win 7 check??
I have them archived. I haven't thought about them in a long time but would like to put them back in.

If there is a 2nd set for Win 10, can you post a link?

Al

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 01:12:17 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited
a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and install it,
rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably
won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably already gone to
sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Yousuf Khan

I'm doing fresh install Windows 10 2004 and so far so good. The reason why
I'm doing fresh install is just to make my computer clean and faster.

On 6/20/2020 10:35 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 6/20/20 6:56 AM, this is what SC Tom wrote:


"Yousuf Khan" wrote in message
...
On 6/20/2020 1:35 AM, Paul wrote:
Yousuf Khan wrote:
The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I
waited a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and
install it, rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then
you probably won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably
already gone to sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me
luck.

Â*Â*Â* Yousuf Khan

You're supposed to set a good example, by having a
backup, before pressing the button :-)

Don't worry, I did back it up, that's what I was waiting for to
complete.

So I'm back, and so is my computer, and as usual, the update knocked
out the Windows 7 style gadgets. The previous update 1909, was one of
the few that left the gadgets alone, but now 2004 killed them again.
So I'm going to have to reinstall them again! I'll see if anything
else was borked.

Yousuf Khan

Your Win7 Solitaire games will be borked also, if you have them
installed.

Are those the same that I installed on Win 8.1 that were tweaked to run
and skip the Win 7 check??
I have them archived.Â* I haven't thought about them in a long time but
would like to put them back in.

If there is a 2nd set for Win 10, can you post a link?

Al
Here is a link to where I get the latest "fixed" version of the games
after W10 major updates randomly try and kill them.

https://winaero.com/blog/get-windows...or-windows-10/

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:57:27 -0000 (UTC), Donald Jones wrote:

I'm doing fresh install Windows 10 2004 and so far so good. The reason why
I'm doing fresh install is just to make my computer clean and faster.

Win 10 Home v2004 worked fine on two HP laptops that I installed it on.

I have two Win10 Pro 1909 desktops, much older, which aren't being
"offered" the up{grade,date} yet.
--
(I can't use the word "updated" or "upgraded", 'cuz I'm confused which is
which for a Win10 Home 1909 to 2004 up{grade,date}.)

On 20/06/2020 18:35, Arlen Holder wrote:
(I can't use the word "updated" or "upgraded", 'cuz I'm confused which is
which for a Win10 Home 1909 to 2004 up{grade,date}.)

Is it because you are mentally disturbed ?

On 6/20/2020 11:57 AM, Donald Jones wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 01:12:17 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

The 2004 update just became available to my computer yesterday. I waited
a day, and so I've decided that I'm going to go ahead and install it,
rather than postpone it some more. It's goes bad, then you probably
won't see me for hours. If it goes well, I've probably already gone to
sleep, since it's after midnight here. LOL! Wish me luck.

Yousuf Khan

I'm doing fresh install Windows 10 2004 and so far so good. The reason why
I'm doing fresh install is just to make my computer clean and faster.

Yeah, but that commits you to several days, if not several weeks worth
of reinstalling hundreds of programs, finding their registration keys,
setting their preferences again, etc.

Yousuf Khan

On 6/20/2020 6:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Your Win7 Solitaire games will be borked also, if you have them installed.

Well, actually I haven't played those in ages, but wouldn't they work in
a Win 7 Compatibility mode?

Yousuf Khan

Yousuf Khan wrote:
On 6/20/2020 6:56 AM, SC Tom wrote:
Your Win7 Solitaire games will be borked also, if you have them
installed.

Well, actually I haven't played those in ages, but wouldn't they work in
a Win 7 Compatibility mode?

Yousuf Khan

Using a hex editor, some "marking" in the header of the file
was changed, so the files would run on later OSes. Unfortunately,
the people doing the edits, neglected to document the scheme
so it could have a name. Only a small number of bytes need
to be edited (maybe four individual bytes somewhere in the
header), but what "release number" or control that might be,
wasn't mentioned.

You could always use "compare" and do a byte for byte comparison
with unedited materials, and spot the pattern.

One one game long ago, editing out a couple of branches
and replacing them with NOPs, allows a game checking for
a certain Windows kernel being present, to ignore the check.
And the game had no actual runtime dependency on that kernel
being present. Just some dudes at Microsoft being asshats
("buy our new OS, or else").

Paul

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:56:40 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Yeah, but that commits you to several days, if not several weeks worth
of reinstalling hundreds of programs, finding their registration keys,
setting their preferences again, etc.

While the work Yousuf Khan described is very real...

One way to reduce that effort...
o Is to maintain a software hierarchy...

On a flash drive...
o That is EXACTLY the same....

As all your hierarchies on all your PCs you've ever owned or worked on.

For example, see this screenshot for my freeware icon editors:
o https://i.postimg.cc/rwxdSpv6/icon13.jpg

Notice the hierarchy of the software archive?
.\software\editors\icon\{individual programs}

That's the _same_ hierarchy as the installation hierarchy:
.\apps\editors\icon\{individual programs}

And it's EXACTLY the same for the start menu hierarchy:
.\{taskbar-menu}\editors\icon\{individual programs}

A simple mkdir script creates all the hierarchies you need.
o And then, one by one, you simply populate your software.

Oh, the start menu?
o It comes along _perfectly_, as a copy, even from WinXP to Win10.

If you design the system to be easier to maintain, you save a lot of time.
o Philosophy on a tutorial for setting up Windows in a well organized
KISS style such that search is never needed & reinstall is trivial
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/i9Cz3POZFCo
--
Note I don't use plurals in folder names; but added that for readability.

On 6/20/20 6:08 PM, this is what Paul wrote:
On one game long ago, editing out a couple of branches
and replacing them with NOPs, allows a game checking for
a certain Windows kernel being present, to ignore the check.

Golly you dredge up memories. We had 2 really intelligent software crackers in our Commodore users group back in those days and they held a
demo day of how to crack a program doing what you said. Find the place that checks the return error and just nop it out.

Of course you had to know the machine code and have a viewer to view the machine code in the program and all that was over about everyone's
head. I caught it in a gross way since I was into coding.

In Win 8.1 I got that first set of programs adjusted for windows 8. I did the binary diff and found the few spots. I even went as far as
to document it all. Good idea huh!! but you have to keep it after 10 years to make it worth anything, not throw it all away saying "hell,
I'm not going back to 8.1 again!".

Life goes on.
Al

On 6/20/2020 6:18 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:56:40 -0400, Yousuf Khan wrote:

Yeah, but that commits you to several days, if not several weeks worth
of reinstalling hundreds of programs, finding their registration keys,
setting their preferences again, etc.

While the work Yousuf Khan described is very real...

One way to reduce that effort...
o Is to maintain a software hierarchy...

snip

Interestingly, Microsoft had a very good program for backing up and
restoring programs, called the Easy Transfer Wizard. It was one of the
few Microsoft programs that worked exactly as advertized, and there were
no gotchas to it. It was included in XP, and then they slowly started
breaking functionality with later versions. By the time of Vista and 7,
they included only the restore function of the program, but removed the
backup portion. Then by 8.x and 10 days, they removed the program
entirely and suggested that you buy some commercial program from another
company instead!

Goes to show competence will not go unpunished at Microsoft.

Yousuf Khan