OEM versus Upgrade

"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not review.
I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person in this same
group.

OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system builders
OEM agreement.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the End User's agreement. Did you read
the EULA I have??? Noooooooooooo motherboard mentioned AT ALL.
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Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:46:01 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:44:08 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard.

Really? Where?

https://oem.microsoft.com/script/Con...?pageid=552862

This seems to be something that MS imposes on those who
register themselves as OEMs. You do not need such
registration to purchase and use an OEM version of Windows
and no EULA that comes packed with an OEM version of Windows
that I've ever seen contained such a rule tying the license
to the motherboard.

In order to buy OEM you have to buy from an OEM or directly from MS
OEM program. The home user can not walk into BestBuy and purchase
an OEM copy of Windows XP Professional off the shelf, but, if they
buy from a licensed MS OEM / system builder the agreement passes
through to the end-user.

Every computer store in Spain sells OEMs without hardware. So, you
mean, one can't do that in JesusLand.

Now, what I said was that the typical user can just purchase a OEM
copy without buying through an OEM vendor. The store you purchase
through is a MS OEM vendor.

BS!


JesusLand is not the US, quite far from it, as we have a larger mix
of all religions than many other countries.

Tell that to GWB!

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:28 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not
review.
I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person in this
same
group.

OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system builders
OEM agreement.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the End User's agreement. Did you
read
the EULA I have??? Noooooooooooo motherboard mentioned AT ALL.

Did you read the OEM agreement I posted the link too? It's part of the
agreement that all OEM's participate in.

Of course not, I don't want NET passport. Why should I, I don't use their
services, including Hotmail? And, "all" OEMs do not participate in that. I
am an OEM and you saw the EULA I got. The good people I buy OEMs from don't
say that, nor require that I buy hardware with an OEM.
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Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:02:47 +0000, Leythos wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:46:01 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:44:08 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard.

Really? Where?

https://oem.microsoft.com/script/Con...?pageid=552862

This seems to be something that MS imposes on those who
register themselves as OEMs. You do not need such
registration to purchase and use an OEM version of Windows
and no EULA that comes packed with an OEM version of Windows
that I've ever seen contained such a rule tying the license
to the motherboard.

In order to buy OEM you have to buy from an OEM or directly from
MS OEM program. The home user can not walk into BestBuy and
purchase an OEM copy of Windows XP Professional off the shelf,
but, if they buy from a licensed MS OEM / system builder the
agreement passes through to the end-user.

Every computer store in Spain sells OEMs without hardware. So, you
mean, one can't do that in JesusLand.

Now, what I said was that the typical user can just purchase a OEM
copy without buying through an OEM vendor. The store you purchase
through is a MS OEM vendor.

Just to clarify, it should have read "typical user CAN'T just
purchase"

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/produ...sell=1 957319

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Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not
review. I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person
in this same group.

"The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard." - Liethos

The OEM EULA that End Users accept emphatically does not state
"Motherboard" at all!


OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system
builders OEM agreement.

Not all OEMs are certified MS OEM System Builders, Nincompoop! And even
accepting your fictitious assumption, the limits MS places on System
Builders do not apply to the END USER, as they agree to the terms of the
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT, not the MS OEM SYSTEM BUILDER LICENSE
AGREEMENT!

You are totally effin' brain dead, Liethos!

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message about what God's will is. 10 years ago you wern't all mad =
homicidal nutters but times have changed. How did bush get elected and =
elected by people he hates.
While the Americian resistance resists your population doesn't.

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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:46:01 +0100, Alias wrote:
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:44:08 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard.

Really? Where?

https://oem.microsoft.com/script/Con...ageid=3D552862

This seems to be something that MS imposes on those who
register themselves as OEMs. You do not need such
registration to purchase and use an OEM version of Windows
and no EULA that comes packed with an OEM version of Windows
that I've ever seen contained such a rule tying the license
to the motherboard.

In order to buy OEM you have to buy from an OEM or directly from MS =
OEM
program. The home user can not walk into BestBuy and purchase an OEM =
copy
of Windows XP Professional off the shelf, but, if they buy from a =
licensed
MS OEM / system builder the agreement passes through to the =
end-user.
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Every computer store in Spain sells OEMs without hardware. So, you =
mean, one=20
can't do that in JesusLand.
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Now, what I said was that the typical user can just purchase a OEM =
copy
without buying through an OEM vendor. The store you purchase through =
is a
MS OEM vendor.
=20
JesusLand is not the US, quite far from it, as we have a larger mix of =
all
religions than many other countries.
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Leythos wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:28 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not review.
I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person in this same
group.

OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system builders
OEM agreement.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the End User's agreement. Did you read
the EULA I have??? Noooooooooooo motherboard mentioned AT ALL.

Did you read the OEM agreement I posted the link too? It's part of the
agreement that all OEM's participate in.

So the System Builders acceptance to an AGREEMENT forces all their
customers to follow that agreement even though they never see that
agreement, nor had a chance to accept or reject it?

What effin' world do you live in? "It's A Small MS World After ALL"
World?

I'm my own system builder and I never accepted MS's system builders
bullsh*t, so their Passport-protected words don't mean a god-damned
thing to me!

Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:50:18 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:55:04 -0500, mrpsychology wrote:

Think holistically. In psychology you cannot take a piece from the
whole.
A computer i would agree with and think motherboard is fair, however,
there
are many things that make the computer work, so tkaing a piece from
the whole and counting as the whole is not correct.

You needed to stop right there - no one is saying that anyone is
"TAKING" a piece, it's replacing a piece with a new/different one.
You can change the CPU to a faster one, increase the RAM, increase
the PSU size, change the color of the case, dance on one leg while
chanting the EULA, buy only changing the motherboard makes it a
different system.

No, like I said before, it makes it a different motherboard. MS agrees
with me. You, therefore, are -- gasp! -- wrong. Unlike you, MS feels
one can update a computer, including the MB, with a generic OEM
installation. I've

Read the Quote from MS below this paragraph, you'll see that MS does not
agree with you. There IS a significant difference between OEM license
and RETAIL license, you might want to read them both.

changed motherboards with no problems with activation. Others have
too. Why are you spreading this misinformation? Activation was not
created with upgrading or replacing defective parts in mind. It was
created with the idea that one should not install the same OS on two
or more computers, yaknow, "casual copying". The 120 days trip was so
people could update, a recognition that in today's computer world,
upgrading is a very common thing.


Alias - how would you interpret what is quoted from MS below?

"Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the license
for the original Microsoft® OEM operating system software, with the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft® OEM operating system software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required.

If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC."

It seems clear to me that MS understands that the Motherboard makes the
computer a computer. You are entitled to replace a defective motherboard
and maintain your license, but you are not entitled to UPGRADE your
motherboard and maintain your license.

This is from a SP2 EULA...I don't have a 1.2 in my
c:\windows\system32\eula.txt
What I want to know is why Brannigan, Chambers, Jim Mc, and this Leythos are
_inciting_ and _baiting_ the readers of this group????
The only _true_ answer to any of these questions is to read the EULA. If
you
don't understand it go to an attorney for legal advice.
Microsoft Mullahs BAH...

Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:06:18 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 16:40:00 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard.

Really? Where?

https://oem.microsoft.com/script/Con...?pageid=552862

That link doesn't work with Firefox. I get a pop up saying it isn't a
Microsoft signed web page.

Funny, I'm running a Linux box and using FireFox to access the MS site
and even entered my passport using FireFox and was able to get to it.

Opened browser, entered url, accepted certificate, entered passport
info, document shows clearly in FireFox.

Thats funny...Your headers say you are using Pan.

"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:20:06 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:28 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not
review.
I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person in this
same
group.

OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system
builders
OEM agreement.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the End User's agreement. Did you
read
the EULA I have??? Noooooooooooo motherboard mentioned AT ALL.

Did you read the OEM agreement I posted the link too? It's part of the
agreement that all OEM's participate in.

Of course not, I don't want NET passport. Why should I, I don't use their
services, including Hotmail? And, "all" OEMs do not participate in that.
I
am an OEM and you saw the EULA I got. The good people I buy OEMs from
don't
say that, nor require that I buy hardware with an OEM.

Are you saying that you are a MS OEM partner/systems builder?

No. I build my own computers, name as you like.

Are you saying that the people you buy OEM licenses from are MS OEM
partner/systems builders?

I doubt it being as they don't build computers. They are wholesalers who
sell everything from motherboards to routers. They have XP OEMs in English,
Spanish and German and sell them without hardware of any shape, kind or
form. All the computer stores, even retail ones, sell the XP OEM without
hardware. I have given you links to prove this before but you ignored them.

I don't see anything on the MS site that says that OEM Vendors as part of
the partner/systems builder program don't have to abide by it.

I can only go on what I agreed to, not what you think I or anyone else
agreed to. I am sure that the EULA in SPANISH for SPAIN is different from
the ones issued to JesusLand denizens.
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Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:38:32 -0500, Liethos wrote:

Leythos wrote:

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 19:10:28 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to
spew misinformation to make people think they can't update their
computer, including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask
me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not
review. I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another
person in this same group.

OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system
builders OEM agreement.

Oh, I thought we were talking about the End User's agreement. Did
you read the EULA I have??? Noooooooooooo motherboard mentioned AT
ALL.

Did you read the OEM agreement I posted the link too? It's part of
the agreement that all OEM's participate in.

So the System Builders acceptance to an AGREEMENT forces all their
customers to follow that agreement even though they never see that
agreement, nor had a chance to accept or reject it?

What effin' world do you live in? "It's A Small MS World After ALL"
World?

I'm my own system builder and I never accepted MS's system builders
bullsh*t, so their Passport-protected words don't mean a god-damned
thing to me!

Nice Nickname - if you are your OWN SYSTEMS BUILDER, as part of the MS
program, then you agreed to it in order to join the OEM program. If
you are just calling yourself a "systems builder" because you build
systems, then you are not part of the MS Systems Builder program and
as such you are purchasing OEM copies from a licensed MS OEM partner
and not directly from MS.

I am a non-MS certified System Builder. And I can purchase OEM software
from a retail store like WalMart!


I'm not saying anything about what you can/can't do or anything about
the agreement, I just typed what is on the OEM Licensing page.

Which is Passport-protected. Words that are hidden behind a password
are not applicable to me, as a non-MS certified system builder!

Do you always get so bent out of shape when reading Usenet?

LOL! :-P

You really are stupid, aren't you Liethos! ;-)

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kurttrail wrote:
Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 18:44:43 +0100, Alias wrote:

Yep, a lie. Wonder why he lies about that. Why would he want to spew
misinformation to make people think they can't update their computer,
including the motherboard? Not very nice, if you ask me.

The information is right on the MS website that YOU choose to not
review. I didn't lie about it, it's was also posted by another person
in this same group.

"The EULA for OEM states the Motherboard." - Liethos

The OEM EULA that End Users accept emphatically does not state
"Motherboard" at all!


OEM installs are tied to the MOTHERBOARD as per MS's own system
builders OEM agreement.

Not all OEMs are certified MS OEM System Builders, Nincompoop! And even
accepting your fictitious assumption, the limits MS places on System
Builders do not apply to the END USER, as they agree to the terms of the
END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT, not the MS OEM SYSTEM BUILDER LICENSE
AGREEMENT!

You are totally effin' brain dead, Liethos!

I volunteer on the trailer park side of the state (west). This Lethos
sounds like some of the
elderly that I trasport that are in the latter stages of alzheimers.....

It's the same principal as buying stolen goods. The OEM did not adhere =
to their license agreement so they don't have a license to assign to =
you.

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Leythos wrote:
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 14:50:18 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 07:55:04 -0500, mrpsychology wrote:

Think holistically. In psychology you cannot take a piece from =
the
whole.
A computer i would agree with and think motherboard is fair, =
however,
there
are many things that make the computer work, so tkaing a piece =
from
the whole and counting as the whole is not correct.

You needed to stop right there - no one is saying that anyone is
"TAKING" a piece, it's replacing a piece with a new/different one.
You can change the CPU to a faster one, increase the RAM, increase
the PSU size, change the color of the case, dance on one leg while
chanting the EULA, buy only changing the motherboard makes it a
different system.

No, like I said before, it makes it a different motherboard. MS =
agrees
with me. You, therefore, are -- gasp! -- wrong. Unlike you, MS =
feels
one can update a computer, including the MB, with a generic OEM
installation. I've

Read the Quote from MS below this paragraph, you'll see that MS does =
not
agree with you. There IS a significant difference between OEM =
license
and RETAIL license, you might want to read them both.

changed motherboards with no problems with activation. Others have
too. Why are you spreading this misinformation? Activation was not
created with upgrading or replacing defective parts in mind. It was
created with the idea that one should not install the same OS on =
two
or more computers, yaknow, "casual copying". The 120 days trip was =
so
people could update, a recognition that in today's computer world,
upgrading is a very common thing.


Alias - how would you interpret what is quoted from MS below?

"Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware =
components
on your customer's computer and the end user may maintain the =
license
for the original Microsoft=AE OEM operating system software, with =
the
exception of an upgrade or replacement of the motherboard.

An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new
personal computer" to which Microsoft=AE OEM operating system =
software
cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is
upgraded or replaced, for reasons other than a defect, then a new
computer has been created and the license of new operating system
software is required.

If the motherboard is replaced because it is defective, you do NOT
need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC."

It seems clear to me that MS understands that the Motherboard makes =
the
computer a computer. You are entitled to replace a defective =
motherboard
and maintain your license, but you are not entitled to UPGRADE your
motherboard and maintain your license.
=20
This is from a SP2 EULA...I don't have a 1.2 in my=20
c:\windows\system32\eula.txt
What I want to know is why Brannigan, Chambers, Jim Mc, and this =
Leythos are
_inciting_ and _baiting_ the readers of this group????
The only _true_ answer to any of these questions is to read the EULA. =
If=20
you
don't understand it go to an attorney for legal advice.
Microsoft Mullahs BAH...=20
=20

"Leythos" wrote

In order to buy OEM you have to buy from an OEM or
directly from MS OEM
program. The home user can not walk into BestBuy and
purchase an OEM copy
of Windows XP Professional off the shelf, but, if they buy
from a licensed
MS OEM / system builder the agreement passes through to
the end-user.

In Turkey a home user can *surf* into
http://www.hepsiburada.com (among others) and buy an OEM
copy of WinXP without further ado.

For example
http://www.hepsiburada.com/departmen...CategoryID=136

(Translation services supplied on request. Ask for my
reasonable rates.)

These sales are valid. Furthermore they are not exclusive to
Turkey. MS allows these sales internationally because it's
in their commercial interests to do so.


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http://www.kanyak.com

"Leythos" wrote

1) The OEM license is tied to the motherboard of the first
computer it's

No. Because I replaced a motherboard under an OEM license
and MS allowed it.

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