OEM versus Upgrade

good to see that some of you are finally stepping up and speaking out ;-)

many thanx for clearing that up for us ;-)

Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:51:19 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:07:30 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

OEM installs are "licensed" to the first computer they are
installed on,
there is no moving the "License" to another computer according to
the OEM
license.

Moving your License from the old computer, no matter what shape
the computer is in, to a new computer, violates the license
agreement.

Ah... but what is an "old computer" and what is a "new computer"?
If a part of my existing computer fails and I replace it, do I
have a "new computer"?. Suppose my power cord frazzles and I have
to replace it. Do I have "another" computer? Is my OEM license now
invalid?

As this is only my OPINION, here is what I would consider a new
computer:

Anytime the motherboard is replaced with a different model, that's
a new computer. Since the computer is based around the motherboard
and it's chipset, it would seem to me that the Motherboard defines
the computer.

As for Upgrades, those include things like CPU's, Drives, Memory,
Video, PSU's, cases, keyboards, etc...

As justification, I can Upgrade all of the devices in a computer
with the exception of the Motherboard and have only a small impact
on the installed OS, but, where I to upgrade the Motherboard, from
an Intel board to an AMD board, or from a VIA chipset to an Intel
chipset board, it would cause problems that might require the
reinstallation of the OS.

It's like of like looking at Cars - you can put a 427 in a Camaro
and it's still a Camaro, but if you put a VW Bug on a 427 it's just
a bug. The CPU doesn't matter, only the part that ties it all
together - the motherboard.

I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may
have to make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore out
the T-Shirt). OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that can
handle faster RAM or a faster processor, I can. It's still the same
computer, only upgraded or repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to
make it a different computer?

Incarnations! When I am reincarnated my computer won't be mine any
more, it will be my reincarnated persona's computer. :-p

My Computer is always My Computer as long as I'm alive, and to me what
actual hardware makes up MY COMPUTER at any given time in MY LIFE, is
absolutely meaningless!

And if MS doesn't like my interpretation of when my computer becomes a
different computer, they can effin' sue! I won't be holding my breath!

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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

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"Leythos" wrote

As this is only my OPINION, here is what I would consider
a new computer:
Anytime the motherboard is replaced with a different
model, that's a new
computer. Since the computer is based around the
motherboard and it's

But you'd be wrong. Even MS allows motherboards to be
replaced with OEM installations. I know. I've done it.

The key with OEM installations is that the OEM (original
equipment manufacturer) is the one who decides when the E is
no longer O.

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"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:51:19 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
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On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:07:30 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

OEM installs are "licensed" to the first computer they are installed
on,
there is no moving the "License" to another computer according to the
OEM
license.

Moving your License from the old computer, no matter what shape the
computer is in, to a new computer, violates the license agreement.

Ah... but what is an "old computer" and what is a "new computer"? If a
part of my existing computer fails and I replace it, do I have a "new
computer"?. Suppose my power cord frazzles and I have to replace it. Do
I have "another" computer? Is my OEM license now invalid?

As this is only my OPINION, here is what I would consider a new
computer:

Anytime the motherboard is replaced with a different model, that's a new
computer. Since the computer is based around the motherboard and it's
chipset, it would seem to me that the Motherboard defines the computer.

As for Upgrades, those include things like CPU's, Drives, Memory, Video,
PSU's, cases, keyboards, etc...

As justification, I can Upgrade all of the devices in a computer with
the
exception of the Motherboard and have only a small impact on the
installed
OS, but, where I to upgrade the Motherboard, from an Intel board to an
AMD
board, or from a VIA chipset to an Intel chipset board, it would cause
problems that might require the reinstallation of the OS.

It's like of like looking at Cars - you can put a 427 in a Camaro and
it's
still a Camaro, but if you put a VW Bug on a 427 it's just a bug. The
CPU
doesn't matter, only the part that ties it all together - the
motherboard.

I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may have to
make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore out the T-Shirt).
OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that can handle faster RAM or a
faster processor, I can. It's still the same computer, only upgraded or
repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

I didn't contradict that. In fact, I acknowledged that it was your opinion.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to make
it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to me that, little by
little, you could upgrade it so that everything has been replaced and what
would be wrong with that?
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"Alias" wrote

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to
change to make
it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to
me that, little by little, you could upgrade it so that
everything has been replaced

The answer is quite easy actually: It becomes a different
computer when the manufacturer says it's a different
computer (and thus won't support it any more).

In fact, I believe that this is Microsoft's official
position with respect to OEM licenses, though I can't put my
finder on a clear-cut statement of this at the moment.

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"Opinicus" wrote in message
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"Alias" wrote

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to make
it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to me that, little
by little, you could upgrade it so that everything has been replaced

The answer is quite easy actually: It becomes a different computer when
the manufacturer says it's a different computer (and thus won't support it
any more).

I build my own computers. Does that makes me the manufacturer?
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In fact, I believe that this is Microsoft's official position with respect
to OEM licenses, though I can't put my finder on a clear-cut statement of
this at the moment.

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Opinicus wrote:

Ah... but what is an "old computer" and what is a "new
computer"? If a part of my existing computer fails and I
replace it, do I have a "new computer"?. Suppose my power
cord frazzles and I have to replace it. Do I have "another"
computer? Is my OEM license now invalid?

See www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.htm for discussion of how much change
before needing reactivation. In the case of an OEM machine
preinstalled, there is a grey area. I think it would have to be
recognised by the maker as still eligible for their support for it to be
seen as the same. And in such cases the system is often 'BIOS locked'
- as long as you retain the motherboard and its BIOS (or one supplied by
the maker as direct replacement) you are OK


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Bournemouth, U.K. (remove the D8 bit)

Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that the
windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap price.
"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

http://microscum.com/bruce

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BBUNNY wrote:
This whole EULA reads just like a (do not remove this tag)
on a mattress. I am going to do what I do in the privacy of
my home.....period.....

LOL! But removing the tag, boy you live dangerously! I here the MIAA,
will break your knee caps for that! ;_)

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Opinicus wrote:
"Alias" wrote

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to
change to make
it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to
me that, little by little, you could upgrade it so that
everything has been replaced

The answer is quite easy actually: It becomes a different
computer when the manufacturer says it's a different
computer (and thus won't support it any more).

In fact, I believe that this is Microsoft's official
position with respect to OEM licenses, though I can't put my
finder on a clear-cut statement of this at the moment.

And I'm my own OEM! Yeah, I've read the same thing too, just can't
remember where.

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Alias wrote:
"Opinicus" wrote in message
...
"Alias" wrote

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change
to make it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to me that,
little by little, you could upgrade it so that everything has been
replaced

The answer is quite easy actually: It becomes a different computer
when the manufacturer says it's a different computer (and thus won't
support it any more).

I build my own computers. Does that makes me the manufacturer?


In the immortal words of Marv Albert, "Yes!"

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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:57:09 +0100, Alias wrote:
[snip]
I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may
have to make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore
out the T-Shirt). OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that
can handle faster RAM or a faster processor, I can. It's still the
same computer, only upgraded or repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

I didn't contradict that. In fact, I acknowledged that it was your
opinion.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to
make it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to me that,
little by little, you could upgrade it so that everything has been
replaced and what would be wrong with that?

Take a guess at it like I did. I don't want to get into the
wrong/right part of this discussion, just the part about what makes a
computer a computer.

My computer is always the same computer, regardless of the hardware it
consists of! It is MY COMPUTER!

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 11:57:09 +0100, Alias wrote:
[snip]
I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may
have to make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore
out the T-Shirt). OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that
can handle faster RAM or a faster processor, I can. It's still the
same computer, only upgraded or repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

I didn't contradict that. In fact, I acknowledged that it was your
opinion.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to
make it a different computer?

The 64,000 dollar question. You got me. It would seem to me that,
little by little, you could upgrade it so that everything has been
replaced and what would be wrong with that?

Take a guess at it like I did. I don't want to get into the
wrong/right part of this discussion, just the part about what makes a
computer a computer.

My computer is always the same computer, regardless of the hardware it
consists of! It is MY COMPUTER!

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It even has a little icon on the upper left hand side of the monitor that
says "My Computer". It doesn't say "Microsoft's computer that I am licensed
to use" or "My Licence", now does it?

Heh.
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