OEM versus Upgrade

"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that the
windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap price.

In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go for
about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three: two in
Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can update the
computers to my heart's content.
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

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"Alias" wrote

The answer is quite easy actually: It becomes a different
computer when the manufacturer says it's a different
computer (and thus won't support it any more).

I build my own computers. Does that makes me the
manufacturer?

It makes you the Maker. And in the words of C3PO: "Praise
the Maker!"

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"Alias" wrote

It even has a little icon on the upper left hand side of
the monitor that says "My Computer". It doesn't say
"Microsoft's computer that I am licensed to use" or "My
Licence", now does it?

Have you ever considered a career in law?
;-)

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Well, companies are actually making better decisions. They can sell oem
windows with an audio cord for hardware. So, you have to bring the cord to
where you put it and the oem windows is connected to that hardware, they
stated thta this makes you a system builder hence oem status.
"Opinicus" wrote in message
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"Alias" wrote

It even has a little icon on the upper left hand side of the monitor that
says "My Computer". It doesn't say "Microsoft's computer that I am
licensed to use" or "My Licence", now does it?

Have you ever considered a career in law?
;-)

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I just bought windows 2000pro for $12.75 after shipping 2.76 for the
windows oem and .90 for the audio cord and 3 for handliing and the rest for
shipping.
"Alias" wrote in message
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that the
windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap price.

In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go for
about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three: two in
Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can update the
computers to my heart's content.
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

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"Opinicus" wrote
"Alias" wrote

It even has a little icon on the upper left hand side of the monitor that
says "My Computer". It doesn't say "Microsoft's computer that I am
licensed to use" or "My Licence", now does it?

Have you ever considered a career in law?
;-)

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Yes, but I'm too old now to take it up. By the time I would get out of law
school, I'd be old enough to retire :- (
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I'm talking about a new, bonafide, from Microsoft OEM CD, are you?
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
I just bought windows 2000pro for $12.75 after shipping 2.76 for the
windows oem and .90 for the audio cord and 3 for handliing and the rest for
shipping.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that
the windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap price.


In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go
for about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three: two
in Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can update
the computers to my heart's content.
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

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Yeah, i am going to recieve it in about 7 days. I was thinking it was too
low of a price to be real even though it is a 2000 pro. I will see, they
give 30 days warranty for defects. I will find out soon enough lol. It is
weird though, i think they sell that cheaper an put costs in other items.
Because the cost of hardware and other stuff is actually expensive.
"Alias" wrote in message
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I'm talking about a new, bonafide, from Microsoft OEM CD, are you?
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
I just bought windows 2000pro for $12.75 after shipping 2.76 for the
windows oem and .90 for the audio cord and 3 for handliing and the rest
for shipping.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that
the windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap price.


In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go
for about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three:
two in Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can
update the computers to my heart's content.
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"kurttrail" wrote in
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

http://microscum.com/bruce

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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Yeah, i am going to recieve it in about 7 days. I was thinking it was too
low of a price to be real even though it is a 2000 pro. I will see, they
give 30 days warranty for defects. I will find out soon enough lol. It
is weird though, i think they sell that cheaper an put costs in other
items. Because the cost of hardware and other stuff is actually expensive.

Sounds to me like you're getting a burned, illegal copy. $2.76 would cover
the cost of the blank CD. Does MS even make Win 2000 Pro any more?
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"Alias" wrote in message
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I'm talking about a new, bonafide, from Microsoft OEM CD, are you?
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
I just bought windows 2000pro for $12.75 after shipping 2.76 for the
windows oem and .90 for the audio cord and 3 for handliing and the rest
for shipping.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that
the windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap
price.

In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go
for about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three:
two in Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can
update the computers to my heart's content.
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"kurttrail" wrote in
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Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it
was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or
replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

http://microscum.com/bruce

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Well, it is an official business site and they give pictures of it. and
there legal statements on the page are legitamately stated. So by those
terms i am set, it is set by them. Meaning if they are doing something
illegal microsoft has to take it up with them on thier published translation
of the eula.
"Alias" wrote in message
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Yeah, i am going to recieve it in about 7 days. I was thinking it was
too low of a price to be real even though it is a 2000 pro. I will see,
they give 30 days warranty for defects. I will find out soon enough lol.
It is weird though, i think they sell that cheaper an put costs in other
items. Because the cost of hardware and other stuff is actually
expensive.

Sounds to me like you're getting a burned, illegal copy. $2.76 would cover
the cost of the blank CD. Does MS even make Win 2000 Pro any more?
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"Alias" wrote in message
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I'm talking about a new, bonafide, from Microsoft OEM CD, are you?
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"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
I just bought windows 2000pro for $12.75 after shipping 2.76 for the
windows oem and .90 for the audio cord and 3 for handliing and the rest
for shipping.
"Alias" wrote in message
...

"mrpsychology" wrote in message
...
Well, some companies are viewing the eula as a piece of hardware that
the windows is stuck to and are selling windows for a dirt cheap
price.

In Spain, you need not buy any hardware to purchase an OEM and they go
for about $100 US for Home and $160 US for Pro. I've purchased three:
two in Spanish and one in English and, being as I am the OEM, I can
update the computers to my heart's content.
--
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me.
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"kurttrail" wrote in
message ...
Bruce Chambers wrote:
mrpsychology wrote:
What if the oem computer was taken apart and not used? Say, the
computer's motherboard and cpu is taken out and the oem copy of
windows is no longer on that oem. Then the oem would not have the
liscence right? So then, you possibly could use the oem windows
on
anotehr computer considering the oem had used different os if it
was
taken apart?


No. An OEM license, once installed, is *not* transferable to any
other computer, ever, for whatever reason. You can remove or
replace
an OEM license,but you cannot reuse it.

Thus Spake ZaraEULAspewer!

http://microscum.com/bruce

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It is off a site that is legit, off of www.pricewatch.com
"Alias" wrote in message
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"Mike Brannigan [MSFT]" wrote in message
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"CWatters" wrote in message
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I might be wrong but I believe the official view is no. Once an OEM copy
has
been activated on one PC you can't reactivate it on another.

However I believe you get 30 days to activate an installation so you
could
always install it for 30 days and then move it to another PC. Just don't
activate it by accident when if prompts you.


Activation is not related the use of the license in this case.
Once you install the OEM software to the PC it may not be moved to
another irrespective of if you activated it or not.

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All you have to do is keep the hard drive or case or RAM and you're
upgrading a computer and reinstalling windows on the updated computer. If
you buy all new parts or a completely new computer, you are not supposed
to reninstall it but you "may" and "can" do it without problems if you
wait 120 days after you first activated it or, if like another poster
said, you don't activate it on your yet to be upgraded computer. MS says
you shouldn't do it, although that has never been decided in a court of
law so, yes, if MS took you to court, you *may* be found in breach of the
EULA contract, a civil offense without serious consequences. If you live
in a civilized country, the judge will throw the breach of contract suit
out as frivolous as has been proven in Spain and other countries time and
time again.
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"mrpsychology" wrote

Well, companies are actually making better decisions.
They can sell oem windows with an audio cord for hardware.
So, you have to bring the cord to where you put it and the
oem windows is connected to that hardware, they
Not really. The OEM license is connected to the first
*computer* the software is installed on, not a specific
piece of hardware.

stated thta this makes you a system builder hence oem
status.

Building your own machine makes you an Original Equipment
Maker (or Builder) but not an Original Equipment
Manufacturer. That last is a status that MS actually bestows
under license I believe.

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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:51:19 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:07:30 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

OEM installs are "licensed" to the first computer they are installed
on,
there is no moving the "License" to another computer according to
the OEM
license.

Moving your License from the old computer, no matter what shape the
computer is in, to a new computer, violates the license agreement.

Ah... but what is an "old computer" and what is a "new computer"? If
a part of my existing computer fails and I replace it, do I have a
"new computer"?. Suppose my power cord frazzles and I have to
replace it. Do I have "another" computer? Is my OEM license now
invalid?

As this is only my OPINION, here is what I would consider a new
computer:

Anytime the motherboard is replaced with a different model, that's a
new computer. Since the computer is based around the motherboard and
it's chipset, it would seem to me that the Motherboard defines the
computer.

As for Upgrades, those include things like CPU's, Drives, Memory,
Video, PSU's, cases, keyboards, etc...

As justification, I can Upgrade all of the devices in a computer with
the exception of the Motherboard and have only a small impact on the
installed OS, but, where I to upgrade the Motherboard, from an Intel
board to an AMD board, or from a VIA chipset to an Intel chipset
board, it would cause problems that might require the reinstallation
of the OS.

It's like of like looking at Cars - you can put a 427 in a Camaro and
it's still a Camaro, but if you put a VW Bug on a 427 it's just a
bug. The CPU doesn't matter, only the part that ties it all together
- the motherboard.

I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may have
to make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore out the
T-Shirt). OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that can handle
faster RAM or a faster processor, I can. It's still the same computer,
only upgraded or repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to make
it a different computer?

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Buy a Dell, then a Hewlett Packard, then an Emachine with XP OEM installed
on
all three....Then you have 3 different Computers. Changing any one item or
numerous
items does not constitute a _new_ computer.....Period......I paid for a full
OEM
version of XP and I am entitled to use the version.....period.....The OEM
version
that I purchased is not the same _discounted crippled_ version that is
preinstall
on a Dell dude.

BBUNNY wrote:
Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 01:51:19 +0100, Alias wrote:


"Leythos" wrote in message
news On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 00:07:30 +0200, Opinicus wrote:

"Leythos" wrote

OEM installs are "licensed" to the first computer they are
installed on,
there is no moving the "License" to another computer according
to the OEM
license.

Moving your License from the old computer, no matter what shape
the computer is in, to a new computer, violates the license
agreement.

Ah... but what is an "old computer" and what is a "new
computer"? If a part of my existing computer fails and I replace
it, do I have a "new computer"?. Suppose my power cord frazzles
and I have to replace it. Do I have "another" computer? Is my
OEM license now invalid?

As this is only my OPINION, here is what I would consider a new
computer:

Anytime the motherboard is replaced with a different model,
that's a new computer. Since the computer is based around the
motherboard and it's chipset, it would seem to me that the
Motherboard defines the computer.

As for Upgrades, those include things like CPU's, Drives, Memory,
Video, PSU's, cases, keyboards, etc...

As justification, I can Upgrade all of the devices in a computer
with the exception of the Motherboard and have only a small
impact on the installed OS, but, where I to upgrade the
Motherboard, from an Intel board to an AMD board, or from a VIA
chipset to an Intel chipset board, it would cause problems that
might require the reinstallation of the OS.

It's like of like looking at Cars - you can put a 427 in a Camaro
and it's still a Camaro, but if you put a VW Bug on a 427 it's
just a bug. The CPU doesn't matter, only the part that ties it
all together - the motherboard.

I disagree with your opinion. If my motherboard goes south, I may
have to make a call to activate (been there, done that and wore
out the T-Shirt). OR, if I want to upgrade to a motherboard that
can handle faster RAM or a faster processor, I can. It's still the
same computer, only upgraded or repaired.

That's why I said OPINION and not fact.

So, how about lending us your opinion on what you have to change to
make it a different computer?

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Buy a Dell, then a Hewlett Packard, then an Emachine with XP OEM
installed on
all three....Then you have 3 different Computers. Changing any one
item or numerous
items does not constitute a _new_ computer.....Period......I paid for
a full OEM
version of XP and I am entitled to use the version.....period.....The
OEM version
that I purchased is not the same _discounted crippled_ version that is
preinstall
on a Dell dude.

Actually, a Dell CD can be easily modified so that it works just like a
generic OEM CD.

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"Leythos" wrote

Take a guess at it like I did. I don't want to get into
the wrong/right
part of this discussion, just the part about what makes a
computer a
computer.

This is quite an epistemological question, especially for a
microsoft.public newsgroup.

"What makes a cheese a Parmesan?" or "What makes a brandy a
Cognac?" Those are easy questions to answer. How about:
"What makes a human being a human being?" Rather less easy.

"What makes a computer a computer" is maybe not quite as
tough as that but it's right up there.

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