UPGRADE OR FULL VERSION

Donald L McDaniel wrote:
In article ,
says...
However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"MSS" wrote

I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original
XP disk. I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with
a service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered
copy of XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO
as an upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what
if I want to but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
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Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as
of today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM
(whether it is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a
"FULL OEM") via the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions
of people having to call over the phone to activate their OS, with
the resulting feeling of being some kind of criminal as they are
forced to try to prove that they have a legitimate copy of XP.

From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
customers have paid for their OS.

If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a
very limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr.
Gates' pocket again

Only the OEM Copies from the major OEMs have been disabled from being
activated over the internet. However, you can still call, and make up a
story and get it activated by MS.

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MSS,

Buy an OEM copy, you get a full version for a cheap price. If your hardware
is relatively 'modern' you should not need to get the Microsoft support
commitment. I have purched a full retail and OEM copies of WinXP Pro and
can't tell the difference, and think why pay the excessive price. Also in
term on what has been said in terms of Full Retail, Upgrade, and OEM
versions of WinXP, why pay three times as for a Full Version, than the OEM
version, for the same thing without support. Yes and transfer it to another
machine if need be, that is do what you want with it, if there is such
rules, regulations, compaints and contraints with OEM versions, Microsoft
should stop distributing it, if it feels it's getting ripped off by them.
Common sense tells one if you been ripped off once, it's the other persons
fault. If it happens again, it's your fault. Like Kurttrail said, buy it
with a power cord and just take that power cord with you if you get a new
machine. Alot of distributors will sell you a copy without a hardware
purchase.

Winux P


"MSS" wrote in message
news |I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP disk.
I
| tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
service
| pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy of
XP &
| therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as an
| upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want to
but
| a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

Since the OEM provided by the major manufacturers do not need activation as
long as they are installed on the original computer, most will not see the
issue.
Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer using a generic
OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may have a problem,
but they should not be installing the OEM on that different computer.

Those who have upgraded to a motherboard from a different manufacturer or
discarded the original OEM CD for the generic OEM CD are more likely to get
hit by this.

This is the way I understand it works, I may or may not be correct on all
counts.

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"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as of
today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM (whether it
is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a "FULL OEM") via
the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions of people having to
call over the phone to activate their OS, with the resulting feeling of
being some kind of criminal as they are forced to try to prove that they
have a legitimate copy of XP.

From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
customers have paid for their OS.

If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a very
limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr. Gates'
pocket again
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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:
Since the OEM provided by the major manufacturers do not need
activation as long as they are installed on the original computer,
most will not see the issue.
Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer using a
generic OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may
have a problem, but they should not be installing the OEM on that
different computer.
Those who have upgraded to a motherboard from a different
manufacturer or discarded the original OEM CD for the generic OEM CD
are more likely to get hit by this.

This is the way I understand it works, I may or may not be correct on
all counts.


http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5589504.html

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That article essentially agrees with what I said.

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"kurttrail" wrote in message

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5589504.html

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That's OK Donald, because Microsoft pays more for over the phone activation
than the user. They (MS) can ask all the questions they want to it's
basically 'yes' to only two questions they need to know if that. 1. Yes,
it's the only computer I'm installing this on and, 2. Yes, I'm using the
hardware component with WinXP for OEM versions.

While OEM's Full Retail versions in price, who can see the justification
in paying more for the same product. I think it's quite funny how MS acts
suspiciously when activating over the phone, it's their problem and while
you have a legit copy they have to activate for you general OEM or full
retail versions.

Winux P


"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
...
| In article ,
| says...
| However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.
|
|
| "Alias" wrote in message
| ...
|
| "MSS" wrote
|
| I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP
disk.
| I
| tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
| service
| pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy
of
| XP &
| therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as
an
| upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want
to
| but
| a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.
|
| Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
| --
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|
| Use the Reply to Sender feature of your news reader program to email
me.
| Utiliza Responder al Remitente para mandarme un mail.
|
|
|
|
| Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as of
| today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM (whether it
| is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a "FULL OEM") via
| the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions of people having to
| call over the phone to activate their OS, with the resulting feeling of
| being some kind of criminal as they are forced to try to prove that they
| have a legitimate copy of XP.
|
| From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
| customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
| customers have paid for their OS.
|
| If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
| since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
| Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a very
| limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr. Gates'
| pocket again
| --
| Donald L McDaniel
| Post all replies to the original
| thread so that it may remain intact.
| ================================================== ==

Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

"kurttrail" wrote in
message

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-3513_22-5589504.html

That article essentially agrees with what I said.



"Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer using a
generic
OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may have a
problem,
but they should not be installing the OEM on that different computer."

"Intended to curtail the stealing and selling of certificates of
authenticity, the new security measure will start at the end of this
month. At first, it will be limited to the Windows XP software
preinstalled on systems shipped by the top 20 PC sellers."

So at least, for the time being, generic OEM users should not have any
problem. Only those who have systems that were shipped by the top 20 PC
sellers.

And even then, MS is only preventing internet activation. Phone
Activation will still be done.

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"Yves Leclerc" wrote in message
...
However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.

So what?

Alias


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"MSS" wrote

I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP disk.
I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy of
XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as an
upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want to
but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
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"Donald L McDaniel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
says...
However, no support will be given directly by Microsoft.


"Alias" wrote in message
...

"MSS" wrote

I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP
disk.
I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy
of
XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as
an
upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want
to
but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
--
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me.
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Not only won't Microsoft support OEM copies of the OS, they have (as of
today) effectively disabled the ability to activate your OEM (whether it
is produced by a major system builder or purchased as a "FULL OEM") via
the Internet. This wil undoubtedly lead to millions of people having to
call over the phone to activate their OS, with the resulting feeling of
being some kind of criminal as they are forced to try to prove that they
have a legitimate copy of XP.


I've activated mine online twice, both without a hitch. I bought the OEM and
installed it myself. It is not a *******ized version from HP or Emachines.

From my way of thinking, Microsoft has disavowed its EULA with its OEM
customers, effectively snatching away the hard-earned money its
customers have paid for their OS.

If I am wrong about this, I would really appreciate being set right,
since I really want to be able to continue activating my OS via the
Internet, and don't want to have to purchase it again. I live on a very
limited budget, and really don't have the money to put into Mr. Gates'
pocket again
--
Donald L McDaniel

No need to worry if you buy an OEM that hasn't been fooled with.

Alias

"Jason Marshall" wrote in message
...
And just as illegal as Devils Own.

Got news for you; it's not illegal in the country where I live.

OEM copies are not legal without hardware being purchased with it.
"Original Equipment Manufacturer".

Your best just buying a new copy out right.

HTH

Not in Spain where I live. Where I live, you would be very hard pressed to
find a computer store that sells a retail version. If you can read Spanish,
I can give you links to the major computer stores here and neither of them
sell retail versions and will sell you a generic XP OEM without any
hardware.

Please do your research before disseminating misinformation.

Thank you.

Alias
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"Alias" wrote in message
...

"MSS" wrote

I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP disk.
I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a
service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy of
XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as an
upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want to
but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.

Buy an OEM. They're cheaper.
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MSS wrote:
I have XP Pro Version 5.1 running but I do not have the original XP disk. I
tried to install the various upgrades via download as well as with a service
pack 2 disc. I get an error message that I have an unregistered copy of XP &
therefore can't do the upgrades. Can I purchase & install XP PRO as an
upgrade or do I have to buy the full program? Also, what if I want to but
a lower version of Windows rather than XP Pro.


If you are trying to install a WinXP Service Pack and getting the
following:

The Product Key Used to Install Windows Is Invalid
http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q326904

You need to purchase and use a _legitimate_ full retail copy of
WinXP Pro to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation,
using the new CD and Product Key.

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directo...;EN-US;Q315341


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Leythos wrote:
On Tue, 01 Mar 2005 01:20:35 +0100, Alias wrote:

Please do your research before disseminating misinformation.

Since neither post stated what country you are stating the OEM
information from you're both as guilty of that as each other.

In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right - do you know what
country the OP was in?

He is wrong in the US too, Lamethos. It is not illegal to use OEM
software without the hardware that is sold with. And while it may be
against MS's reseller's terms to sell OEM software without a piece of
hardware, there is NO LAW that requires the use of that hardware with
the copy of the software by the End User.

MS's OEM EULA, from SP1 onward, doesn't mention that the hardware that
is sold with OEM XP must be used to complete the license, as the OEM
EULA states, "The SOFTWARE is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single
integrated product and may only be used with the COMPUTER."

So it is not illegal by the present laws and legal precedents, and it is
not even a valid violation claim of MS's present Win XP OEM EULA.

So go f*#k yourselves with this illegal sh*t! You can claim it, but all
it shows is that you are full of sh*t, as usual!

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Most of the major OEM are preactivated so activation of any kind will not be
necessary.
It will most likely only affect those attempting to install the OEM on a
different computer or different computer.

All your quoting is not stating anything.
Do you have a point or is your point to merely have the last post which in
the past you have made clear is the priority to you?

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"kurttrail" wrote in message
"Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer using a
generic
OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may have a
problem,
but they should not be installing the OEM on that different computer."

"Intended to curtail the stealing and selling of certificates of
authenticity, the new security measure will start at the end of this
month. At first, it will be limited to the Windows XP software
preinstalled on systems shipped by the top 20 PC sellers."

So at least, for the time being, generic OEM users should not have any
problem. Only those who have systems that were shipped by the top 20 PC
sellers.

And even then, MS is only preventing internet activation. Phone
Activation will still be done.

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Jupiter Jones [MVP] wrote:

"kurttrail" wrote in
message "Those who have installed that OEM on a different computer
using a
generic
OEM CD with the Product Key on the side of the computer may have a
problem,
but they should not be installing the OEM on that different
computer." "Intended to curtail the stealing and selling of
certificates of
authenticity, the new security measure will start at the end of this
month. At first, it will be limited to the Windows XP software
preinstalled on systems shipped by the top 20 PC sellers."

So at least, for the time being, generic OEM users should not have
any problem. Only those who have systems that were shipped by the
top 20 PC sellers.

And even then, MS is only preventing internet activation. Phone
Activation will still be done.

Most of the major OEM are preactivated so activation of any kind will
not be necessary.
It will most likely only affect those attempting to install the OEM
on a different computer or different computer.

All your quoting is not stating anything.
Do you have a point or is your point to merely have the last post
which in the past you have made clear is the priority to you?

Figure it out, yourself.

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Leythos wrote:
On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:13:07 -0500, kurttrail wrote:

So it is not illegal by the present laws and legal precedents, and
it is not even a valid violation claim of MS's present Win XP OEM
EULA.

You know full well what the discussion was about - nice trolling.

Really Lamethos?

Alias told the OP to buy OEM over the full version or the upgrade of XP,
because they are cheaper.

Then Yves bullsh*tted, "And just as illegal as Devils Own. OEM copies
are not legal without hardware being purchased with it. 'Original
Equipment Manufacturer'. Your best just buying a new copy out right."

Then Alias replied to Yves that he is wrong at least as far as Spain
goes.

Then you replied that, "In the USA he's right, in Spain you're right -
do you know what country
the OP was in?"

And I replied that you are both you and Yves are full of sh*t, and
logically explained why it is not illegal in the US, nor is it even a
violation of MS's OEM EULA.

Then you replied to me by cutting out the conversation and most of my
post, and tried to bullsh*t that I was just trolling, and not following
the conversation.

You are just a fool that ain't proud enough to back up your opinion
rationally, so you tried to divert from that by calling me a troll.
Unfortunately for you, I am man enough to back up my words, and am proud
enough to have my words archived for all time.

You should have just stayed quiet, and not replied at all, because every
time you reply to me you just look more foolish and irrational.

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