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  #136  
Old April 30th 06, 02:34 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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quote="Carey Frisch [MVP]"]When a motherboard dies, so
does the OEM
Windows XP license, unless you replace the
motherboard with an exact duplicate.
Therefore, the installation of a different
model motherboard will require the purchase
of a new Windows XP license.


So, if the mobo develops a fault under no circumstances related to the
user or a new HDD is required due to a failure this would result in
a reformat, whether be in the warranty period or not.

Are we are saying that computer is useless because of this EULA,
after all the computer has been purchased as a computer and all that
within it..

If Billy Gates could make patchwork quilts like the patches for his
OS, "mi granny would be
proud..."!

Davy

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  #137  
Old April 30th 06, 03:03 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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kurttrail wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:


scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of the
various arguments that have been put forth here.


You really don't need any permission to use these posts, unless you
were reproducing them for sale.


crosses eyes It's too soon for another copyright debate but there
are two issues, one legal and one ethical. The legal issue splits into
technical and practical. As a practical matter, no harm would come to me
by printing and mailing the posts. Technically, I don't really care
because I've seen it argued that the sky is green and the grass is blue,
and with the legal system being what it is, sometimes it's just the luck
of the draw when they're handing out judges. I have a friend who took a
"never should have been filed" case to the SCOTUS twice over a period of
almost 10 years (affording him the opportunity to send both of his
children to a very good private school)--and he won, twice--but it was
costly. Of course, the only reason his client was sued is that it had
deep pockets...and I certainly don't.

I'm more concerned with the ethical issue, and while I'll spare you a
dissertation on my personal philosophy--which focuses on doing the right
thing even when it's inconvenient--upon reflection, I don't really think
it's the right thing to do. Furthermore, it adds nothing to my question
for Microsoft. If they want to see how much misinformation is being
passed along about the entire activation process, they can google for
it, just like I did.

And as one more purely practical matter, people who overstuff envelopes
look like cranks. A one page certified letter gets a whole lot more
attention than does a fat, battered envelope (they never emerge from the
postal machines unscathed).

There's more--I've been trained to consider even the most outlandish
possibilities--but this is enough for here.

I guess now that I've put this much time into talking about it, I'm
actually going to have to take the time to write the damn letter.

That's one more spanking for you, Kurt. grin

rl
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You must be the change you wish to see
in the world. Mohandas K. Gandhi


  #138  
Old April 30th 06, 07:37 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
kurttrail wrote:

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:



scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of the
various arguments that have been put forth here.


You really don't need any permission to use these posts, unless you
were reproducing them for sale.



crosses eyes It's too soon for another copyright debate but there
are two issues, one legal and one ethical. The legal issue splits into
technical and practical. As a practical matter, no harm would come to me
by printing and mailing the posts. Technically, I don't really care
because I've seen it argued that the sky is green and the grass is blue,
and with the legal system being what it is, sometimes it's just the luck
of the draw when they're handing out judges. I have a friend who took a
"never should have been filed" case to the SCOTUS twice over a period of
almost 10 years (affording him the opportunity to send both of his
children to a very good private school)--and he won, twice--but it was
costly. Of course, the only reason his client was sued is that it had
deep pockets...and I certainly don't.

I'm more concerned with the ethical issue, and while I'll spare you a
dissertation on my personal philosophy--which focuses on doing the right
thing even when it's inconvenient--upon reflection, I don't really think
it's the right thing to do. Furthermore, it adds nothing to my question
for Microsoft. If they want to see how much misinformation is being
passed along about the entire activation process, they can google for
it, just like I did.

And as one more purely practical matter, people who overstuff envelopes
look like cranks. A one page certified letter gets a whole lot more
attention than does a fat, battered envelope (they never emerge from the
postal machines unscathed).

There's more--I've been trained to consider even the most outlandish
possibilities--but this is enough for here.

I guess now that I've put this much time into talking about it, I'm
actually going to have to take the time to write the damn letter.

That's one more spanking for you, Kurt. grin

rl


First, there are no copyright issues involved. This is an open
forum. Second, the opinions being expressed are supposedly those
of those who have posted them. And this is being done knowingly.
Third, although Microsoft might look at, and perhaps police, the
forums it has created under its sponsorship, it has no official
role because problems involving computers, software, hardware,
etc., are many and diverse and too diverse except for the major
blunders. Sit back and as somebody else wrote in this thread,
enjoy the show and take away what would be most valuable for you.

  #139  
Old April 30th 06, 07:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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GHalleck wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
kurttrail wrote:

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:



scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of
the various arguments that have been put forth here.

You really don't need any permission to use these posts, unless you
were reproducing them for sale.



crosses eyes It's too soon for another copyright debate but
there are two issues, one legal and one ethical. The legal issue
splits into technical and practical. As a practical matter, no harm
would come to me by printing and mailing the posts. Technically, I
don't really care because I've seen it argued that the sky is green
and the grass is blue, and with the legal system being what it is,
sometimes it's just the luck of the draw when they're handing out
judges. I have a friend who took a "never should have been filed"
case to the SCOTUS twice over a period of almost 10 years (affording
him the opportunity to send both of his children to a very good
private school)--and he won, twice--but it was costly. Of course,
the only reason his client was sued is that it had deep
pockets...and I certainly don't. I'm more concerned with the
ethical issue, and while I'll spare you a
dissertation on my personal philosophy--which focuses on doing the
right thing even when it's inconvenient--upon reflection, I don't
really think it's the right thing to do. Furthermore, it adds
nothing to my question for Microsoft. If they want to see how much
misinformation is being passed along about the entire activation
process, they can google for it, just like I did.

And as one more purely practical matter, people who overstuff
envelopes look like cranks. A one page certified letter gets a whole
lot more attention than does a fat, battered envelope (they never
emerge from the postal machines unscathed).

There's more--I've been trained to consider even the most outlandish
possibilities--but this is enough for here.

I guess now that I've put this much time into talking about it, I'm
actually going to have to take the time to write the damn letter.

That's one more spanking for you, Kurt. grin

rl


First, there are no copyright issues involved. This is an open
forum. Second, the opinions being expressed are supposedly those
of those who have posted them. And this is being done knowingly.
Third, although Microsoft might look at, and perhaps police, the
forums it has created under its sponsorship, it has no official
role because problems involving computers, software, hardware,
etc., are many and diverse and too diverse except for the major
blunders. Sit back and as somebody else wrote in this thread,
enjoy the show and take away what would be most valuable for you.


Okay. Open forum has nothing to do with it. The book on my floor is
open, and I can't copy that. It's really not the issue anyway.

The issue is, I want the question answered, definitively, by Microsoft,
the scrivner of the EULA. Knowledge for its own sake. That's all. I have
a brand new computer, and I don't expect it to blow up until shortly
after the warranty runs out, so I've got some time before this becomes a
personal problem.

I don't know what the police have to do with it--there's nothing
criminal going on.

In other words, I'm not interested in the conflicting opinions, but in
what Microsoft says the EULA says. I actually believe it has answered
the question on the website I linked to earlier, but that's in dispute,
and I just want to know.

And I'm going to do it in a way that I feel comfortable with, which
means I'm going to send a one page letter to the legal department and
ask them.

rl

P.S. I have a little confusion about "forums created under [Microsoft's]
sponsorship."

I don't read this forum from Microsoft's website or from their server.
And as near as I can tell, most independent newsservers (and google)
carry these groups. Microsoft could shut down its servers and turn off
its webpage, but the groups would still exist. Am I missing something?



  #140  
Old April 30th 06, 09:44 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Careful--Kurt enjoys spankings VBEG

--
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MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
...
kurttrail wrote:
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:


scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of the
various arguments that have been put forth here.


You really don't need any permission to use these posts, unless you
were reproducing them for sale.


crosses eyes It's too soon for another copyright debate but there are
two issues, one legal and one ethical. The legal issue splits into
technical and practical. As a practical matter, no harm would come to me
by printing and mailing the posts. Technically, I don't really care
because I've seen it argued that the sky is green and the grass is blue,
and with the legal system being what it is, sometimes it's just the luck
of the draw when they're handing out judges. I have a friend who took a
"never should have been filed" case to the SCOTUS twice over a period of
almost 10 years (affording him the opportunity to send both of his
children to a very good private school)--and he won, twice--but it was
costly. Of course, the only reason his client was sued is that it had deep
pockets...and I certainly don't.

I'm more concerned with the ethical issue, and while I'll spare you a
dissertation on my personal philosophy--which focuses on doing the right
thing even when it's inconvenient--upon reflection, I don't really think
it's the right thing to do. Furthermore, it adds nothing to my question
for Microsoft. If they want to see how much misinformation is being passed
along about the entire activation process, they can google for it, just
like I did.

And as one more purely practical matter, people who overstuff envelopes
look like cranks. A one page certified letter gets a whole lot more
attention than does a fat, battered envelope (they never emerge from the
postal machines unscathed).

There's more--I've been trained to consider even the most outlandish
possibilities--but this is enough for here.

I guess now that I've put this much time into talking about it, I'm
actually going to have to take the time to write the damn letter.

That's one more spanking for you, Kurt. grin

rl
--
You must be the change you wish to see
in the world. Mohandas K. Gandhi




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Old April 30th 06, 09:52 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Good luck--you'll *never* get a straight answer from MS Legal. They will
tell you to consult your attorney.

As for the newsgroups, they are hosted on msnews.microsoft.com and MS has a
certain amount of control, but once they propagate to other news servers all
bets are off. MS could shut down the servers or kill the groups and the
groups would continue for years. It is almost impossible to kill a newsgroup
once it has established on multiple servers.


--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
...
GHalleck wrote:

The issue is, I want the question answered, definitively, by Microsoft,
the scrivner of the EULA. Knowledge for its own sake. That's all. I have
a brand new computer, and I don't expect it to blow up until shortly
after the warranty runs out, so I've got some time before this becomes a
personal problem.

I don't know what the police have to do with it--there's nothing
criminal going on.

In other words, I'm not interested in the conflicting opinions, but in
what Microsoft says the EULA says. I actually believe it has answered
the question on the website I linked to earlier, but that's in dispute,
and I just want to know.

And I'm going to do it in a way that I feel comfortable with, which
means I'm going to send a one page letter to the legal department and
ask them.

rl

P.S. I have a little confusion about "forums created under [Microsoft's]
sponsorship."

I don't read this forum from Microsoft's website or from their server.
And as near as I can tell, most independent newsservers (and google)
carry these groups. Microsoft could shut down its servers and turn off
its webpage, but the groups would still exist. Am I missing something?





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Old April 30th 06, 10:18 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Larry Samuels wrote:

Careful--Kurt enjoys spankings VBEG


I had him begging in another thread. even bigger evil grin

rl


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Old April 30th 06, 10:51 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

The issue is, I want the question answered, definitively, by Microsoft,
the scrivner of the EULA. Knowledge for its own sake. That's all. I have
a brand new computer, and I don't expect it to blow up until shortly
after the warranty runs out, so I've got some time before this becomes a
personal problem.


snipped

In other words, I'm not interested in the conflicting opinions, but in
what Microsoft says the EULA says. I actually believe it has answered
the question on the website I linked to earlier, but that's in dispute,
and I just want to know.

And I'm going to do it in a way that I feel comfortable with, which
means I'm going to send a one page letter to the legal department and
ask them.

rl


Good luck on getting an opinion from Microsoft. Microsoft
is a world-wide operation and its legal department has been
very careful not to establish a formal statement that, while
legal in the United States, may infringe laws in other areas,
such as the European Union (EU), esp. where litigation against
Microsoft is still in progress. The best one can do is to read
the EULA, as you have done, and interpret it accordingly. And,
there is no reason to believe that a legal interpretation or
ruling from the State of Washington is applicable elsewhere in
any of the other 49 States.

This newsgroup, or forum, was set up by Microsoft and its home
is on a server at Microsoft in Redmond, Washington. It can be
accessed by search engines, other websites, newsservers, etc.,
because it is "open". Microsoft does have the right to regulate,
or "police", people who has access to this newsgroup and content,
as it did recently to Kurttrail, and even restricting access to
its server, as Intel had done several years ago. It is doubtful
that Microsoft will do this because these groups are still the
best for the exchange of technical information and support.

The IP address for news.microsoft.com is 207.46.246.16. Do a
WHOIS search at http://www.samspade.org/, to identify the owner.

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Old April 30th 06, 11:14 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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GHalleck wrote:

The IP address for news.microsoft.com is 207.46.246.16. Do a
WHOIS search at http://www.samspade.org/, to identify the owner.


I'm posting from news.individual.net.

I had a post censored from the Microsoft server for using a naughty
word. Since then, I have not used the Microsoft server for posting to
this group. Microsoft has a perfect right to decide what posts will stay
on its server, but it has no control over the server I use, every other
server that carries these groups and, even better from the angle of
permanency, Google.

As for their lawyers, it never hurts to try. My own experience with
lawyers is that they love to tell people what things really mean, so if
these folks can't do that, they must be very stressed out. laughing

rl
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
GHalleck wrote:

The IP address for news.microsoft.com is 207.46.246.16. Do a
WHOIS search at http://www.samspade.org/, to identify the owner.


I'm posting from news.individual.net.

I had a post censored from the Microsoft server for using a naughty
word. Since then, I have not used the Microsoft server for posting to
this group. Microsoft has a perfect right to decide what posts will
stay on its server, but it has no control over the server I use,
every other server that carries these groups and, even better from
the angle of permanency, Google.


I really do not think they censor them and delete posts.


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Old May 1st 06, 12:06 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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They do.

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"Beck" wrote in message ...
Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
GHalleck wrote:

The IP address for news.microsoft.com is 207.46.246.16. Do a
WHOIS search at http://www.samspade.org/, to identify the owner.


I'm posting from news.individual.net.

I had a post censored from the Microsoft server for using a naughty
word. Since then, I have not used the Microsoft server for posting to
this group. Microsoft has a perfect right to decide what posts will
stay on its server, but it has no control over the server I use,
every other server that carries these groups and, even better from
the angle of permanency, Google.


I really do not think they censor them and delete posts.


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Old May 1st 06, 12:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Yes they do if the post is offensive. Some words never make it by the
automatic filters, others can be removed manually.

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"Beck" wrote in message
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I really do not think they censor them and delete posts.



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Old May 1st 06, 12:27 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Larry Samuels wrote:
Yes they do if the post is offensive. Some words never make it by the
automatic filters, others can be removed manually.


Hmm well maybe thats why my post didn't appear the other day. I sent it
twice but neither appeared. I do not recall using an offensive word as I
rarely use offensive language.


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Old May 1st 06, 12:28 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Larry Samuels wrote:

Yes they do if the post is offensive. Some words never make it by the
automatic filters, others can be removed manually.


I used the "s" word. Something about Windows convincing me of the
existence of the paranormal because of all the wonky naughty word that
keeps happening to me. It showed up in Google and on the
news.individual.net server, but not on the Microsoft server. I couldn't
figure it out...because it was not an offensive post except for the
naughty word.

So I elided the naughty word, and I reposted it. No problem. This led to
a very funny post from Kurt about naughty words and the Microsoft
server.

The next time I used the same naughty word (not thinking), it was not
flagged.

My conclusion is that someone is paying very close attention to what
goes on here.

rl




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Old May 1st 06, 12:44 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:
Larry Samuels wrote:

Careful--Kurt enjoys spankings VBEG


I had him begging in another thread. even bigger evil grin

rl


Oh, that's just part of the foreplay.

Alias
 




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