My pc mother board has died - Install xp oem

Alias wrote:

CRaven wrote:
Thanks Carrey - Now I remember why I originaly gave up the Idea of
becoming an MVP years ago - too many people state what can be down
rather than what is permitted etc!

Try reading the EULA before you put your foot in your mouth.

Congratulations on your award

All Carey's award did is denigrate the MVP system.


I agree with this poast!

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CRaven wrote:

Thanks Carrey - Now I remember why I originaly gave up the Idea of
becoming an MVP years ago - too many people state what can be down
rather than what is permitted etc!

Congratulations on your award


He is probably the ONLY MVP you'll find to agree with you. And he is
the least respect MVP.

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SteveL wrote:

I suggest that you contact your company attorney if you are part of an
organization. 5 years ago it was $150,000.00 for each piece of
illegal SW on each PC. The SBA has a right to show up at a company's
door step and demand entry to scan your computers. They will bring
law enforcement officers with them. I now this for a fact, we where
audited, we put up no resistance and it was determined that the
company was in compliance. (disgruntle employee)

LOL! It's the BSA.

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CRaven wrote:

Hi Johnathon;

Just because you may have a version of Windows that Is or appears to
be activated does not make it legal.

Consider the following ficticious scenario based around what you have
said.

Jo Upgrades/replaces his motherboard;
He reinstalls Windows XP Home on this (effectively) new PC;
BillySprat informs Microsoft piracy that you have illegal software on
your PC;

ROFL! Please go call MS and tell them I have "illegal software" on my
PC, and see what doesn't happen.

Jo has a receipt for original software, a hologram CD, manual and COA
but when it comes to court - he is asked to provide reciept for
motherboard and the judge checks it against the first activation date
.. blah blah blah

LOL! What if there is no receipt? One cannot produce what one does not
have.

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Alias wrote:

kurttrail wrote:
CRaven wrote:

Read the oem Licensing agreement - Installing a new motherboard
(except under centain warranty conditions) and proceeding to install
an already used/activated copy of Windows OEM is a breach of the OEM
license!


Please quote the license where it mentions the motherboard.

Read the excerpt from microsoft oem system builder website in the
first reply to this post!



Post the link to it so everybody can see that it password protected!
No End User ever agree to that BS.


I was wondering when you would wake up ;-)

Alias

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=craven

I'd say the definition really fits.

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"Another common misconception is that you can transfer
a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.
If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
then a "new computer" has been created and a new Windows
XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
longer valid with a new model motherboard.

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"Beck" wrote:

| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| When a motherboard dies, so does the OEM
| Windows XP license, unless you replace the
| motherboard with an exact duplicate.
| Therefore, the installation of a different
| model motherboard will require the purchase
| of a new Windows XP license.
|
| It does not state that in the EULA.
| Here is mine directly from my PC.
| http://www.photoscene.co.uk/eula.txt
|
| Nowhere does it say that a motherboard change will result in the user
| requiring a new license.

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
"Another common misconception is that you can transfer
a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.
If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
then a "new computer" has been created and a new Windows
XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
longer valid with a new model motherboard.

That does not say that changing the motherboard results in an entirely new
pc. It only states you cannot transfer it to a new PC.

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
"Another common misconception is that you can transfer
a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.

Um, computers don't have hearts or souls, Carey. What have you been
smoking? Without a power supply, the motherboard would not function,
heartless as that might seem. Like a body, you need more than a
motherboard to make a computer.

If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
then a "new computer" has been created

No, an updated computer has been created.

and a new Windows
XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
longer valid with a new model motherboard.

This is true with branded OEMs but not with generic OEMs. You also don't
get all the groovy things that branded OEMs bundle into their restore
disk or partition.

90 days free subscription to Norton. How nice.

Alias

Beck wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
"Another common misconception is that you can transfer
a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.
If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
then a "new computer" has been created and a new Windows
XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
longer valid with a new model motherboard.

That does not say that changing the motherboard results in an entirely new
pc. It only states you cannot transfer it to a new PC.



Carey believes it does, "heart and soul".

Alias

Direct quote from Microsoft OEM licensing:

Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade his PC with new hardware components, when does a new operating system need to be acquired? When
would the PC be considered to be "new"?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user customer may
maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of
the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating
system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is
replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.

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"Beck" wrote:

| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| "Another common misconception is that you can transfer
| a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
| to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
| from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
| longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
| was originally installed and can't be transferred to other machines."
|
| Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx
|
| The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.
| If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
| then a "new computer" has been created and a new Windows
| XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
| longer valid with a new model motherboard.
|
| That does not say that changing the motherboard results in an entirely new
| pc. It only states you cannot transfer it to a new PC.

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Direct quote from Microsoft OEM licensing:

Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade his PC with new hardware
components, when does a new operating system need to be acquired?
When would the PC be considered to be "new"?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware
components on your customer's computer and the end user customer may
maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system
software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of the
motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in
a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating system
software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the
motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a defect,
then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating
system software is required. If the motherboard is replaced because
it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system
license for the PC.


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
"Another common misconception is that you can transfer
a preinstalled or OEM copy of Windows from an "old" machine
to a new machine. An OEM software license may not be transferred
from and old machine to a new machine-even if that machine is no
longer in use. The OEM license is tied to the machine on which it
was originally installed and can't be transferred to other
machines."

Ref: http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/YourPC_do.mspx

The motherboard is the "heart and soul" of the computer.
If you change the motherboard to a different motherboard,
then a "new computer" has been created and a new Windows
XP license is required since the old OEM license is no
longer valid with a new model motherboard.

That does not say that changing the motherboard results in an
entirely new pc. It only states you cannot transfer it to a new PC.

LOL! SCO claims what IBM did was a violation of the UNIX license. Are
you so naive to believe MS over its licensing claims without proof?

Please quote the EULA and/or SBL where it specifically says that
replacing the motherboard invalidates the license.

But you cannot, because such quotes in the EULA and/or the SBL do not
exist, except in your very feeble imagination.

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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Direct quote from Microsoft OEM licensing:

Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade his PC with new hardware components, when does a new operating system need to be acquired? When
would the PC be considered to be "new"?

A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user customer may
maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement of
the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM operating
system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is
replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.


Ah so! The clarification is that if the motherboard is replaced
because it is defective, then, by default, it is not an upgrade
or a new creation. Hence, if a motherboard were to "die", then
it must be the result of a defect built into the motherboard and
one does NOT need to acquire a new operating system license...
regardless of whether or not a material upgrade is effected from
the replacement.

Then why did you earlier tell the OP that he will be required to
buy a new Windows XP license when it was clearly written that the
"...motherboard has died...."

If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

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"Ghostrider" wrote:

| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
|
| Direct quote from Microsoft OEM licensing:
|
| Q. If my customer asks me to upgrade his PC with new hardware components, when does a new operating system need to be acquired?
When
| would the PC be considered to be "new"?
|
| A. Generally, you may upgrade or replace all of the hardware components on your customer's computer and the end user customer
may
| maintain the license for the original Microsoft OEM operating system software, with the exception of an upgrade or replacement
of
| the motherboard. An upgrade of the motherboard is considered to result in a "new personal computer" to which Microsoft OEM
operating
| system software cannot be transferred from another computer. If the motherboard is upgraded or replaced for reasons other than a
| defect, then a new computer has been created and the license of new operating system software is required. If the motherboard is
| replaced because it is defective, you do NOT need to acquire a new operating system license for the PC.
|
|
| Ah so! The clarification is that if the motherboard is replaced
| because it is defective, then, by default, it is not an upgrade
| or a new creation. Hence, if a motherboard were to "die", then
| it must be the result of a defect built into the motherboard and
| one does NOT need to acquire a new operating system license...
| regardless of whether or not a material upgrade is effected from
| the replacement.
|
| Then why did you earlier tell the OP that he will be required to
| buy a new Windows XP license when it was clearly written that the
| "...motherboard has died...."

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

That would depend on his EULA. This EULA change is recent within the last
few months. If the EULA he has at the moment has no mention if this new
motherboard clause then he is not affected as he has not agreed to it.

"If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE."

Hardware = Motherboard

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"Beck" wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

That would depend on his EULA. This EULA change is recent within the last
few months. If the EULA he has at the moment has no mention if this new
motherboard clause then he is not affected as he has not agreed to it.