My pc mother board has died - Install xp oem

Larry Samuels wrote:

That's a shame. I can think of a few that would benefit from a soul
transplant G

And and they happen to be posting in this thread. ;-)

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CRaven wrote:
Carey - I think we should give up - they are clearly lost casues
whom condone piracy; I am sure that they would also consider it
legal to make copies of dvd's becasue they can buy blank disks!

What has piracy got to do with it?
This new policy does not affect anyone who has the old EULA as they
have not been given an opportunity to agree to it.



What new policy?

Microsofts new change of the EULA. According to them, a motherboard
constitutes a new pc. This change was made recently (website reports
go back to mid-february). MS sent out a memo to partners to inform
them of the change.
http://tinyurl.com/bxsqu

Some idiots blog is nothing I agreed to. Read the SBL, and the EULA,
and you'll see NOTHING that the says changing the motherboard
invalidates the license!


Carey is not being an arse about this, it seems it is true and it is
MS who are being the arse.

However as I said in previous posts (2 of them from yesterday have
not shown up for some reason) this will not affect those who have the
old EULA. It would never stand up in court as its not what they
agreed to when they installed the OS.
I only bought my XP this week and its not in my EULA so obviously I
purchased older stock good for me :-)

Its not in any Window EULA. The most recent Windows EULA is for XP
Media Center 2005, and it doesn't mention the motherboard at all:

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INJURY, FOR LOSS OF PRIVACY, FOR FAILURE TO
MEET ANY DUTY OF GOOD FAITH OR OF REASONABLE
CARE, FOR NEGLIGENCE, AND FOR ANY OTHER
PECUNIARY OR OTHER LOSS WHATSOEVER) ARISING
OUT OF OR IN ANY WAY RELATED TO THE USE OF OR
INABILITY TO USE THE SOFTWARE, THE PROVISION
OF OR FAILURE TO PROVIDE SUPPORT OR OTHER
SERVICES, INFORMATION, SOFTWARE, AND RELATED
CONTENT THROUGH THE SOFTWARE, OR OTHERWISE
ARISING OUT OF THE USE OF THE SOFTWARE, OR
OTHERWISE UNDER OR IN CONNECTION WITH ANY
PROVISION OF THIS EULA, EVEN IN THE EVENT OF
THE FAULT, TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE),
MISREPRESENTATION, STRICT LIABILITY, BREACH
OF CONTRACT OR BREACH OF WARRANTY OF
MANUFACTURER OR ANY SUPPLIER (INCLUDING MS,
MICROSOFT CORPORATION (INCLUDING ITS
SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS),
AND EVEN IF MANUFACTURER OR ANY SUPPLIER
(INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION
(INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND THEIR
RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS) HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE
POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES.

26. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY AND REMEDIES.
NOTWITHSTANDING ANY DAMAGES THAT YOU MIGHT
INCUR FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER (INCLUDING,
WITHOUT LIMITATION, ALL DAMAGES REFERENCED
HEREIN AND ALL DIRECT OR GENERAL DAMAGES IN
CONTRACT OR ANYTHING ELSE), THE ENTIRE
LIABILITY OF MANUFACTURER AND ANY OF ITS
SUPPLIERS (INCLUDING MS, MICROSOFT
CORPORATION (INCLUDING ITS SUBSIDIARIES) AND
THEIR RESPECTIVE SUPPLIERS) UNDER ANY
PROVISION OF THIS EULA AND YOUR EXCLUSIVE
REMEDY HEREUNDER (EXCEPT FOR ANY REMEDY OF
REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT ELECTED BY MANUFACTURER
WITH RESPECT TO ANY BREACH OF THE LIMITED
WARRANTY) SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE GREATER OF
THE ACTUAL DAMAGES YOU INCUR IN REASONABLE
RELIANCE ON THE SOFTWARE UP TO THE AMOUNT
ACTUALLY PAID BY YOU FOR THE SOFTWARE OR US$5.
00. THE FOREGOING LIMITATIONS, EXCLUSIONS AND
DISCLAIMERS (INCLUDING SECTIONS 23, 24, AND
25) SHALL APPLY TO THE MAXIMUM EXTENT
PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, EVEN IF ANY
REMEDY FAILS ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE.

27. U.S. GOVERNMENT LICENSE RIGHTS. All
software provided to the U.S. Government
pursuant to solicitations issued on or after
December 1, 1995, is provided with the
commercial license rights and restrictions
described elsewhere herein. All software
provided to the U.S. Government pursuant to
solicitations issued prior to December 1,
1995, is provided with 'Restricted Rights' as
provided for in FAR, 48 CFR 52.227-14 (JUNE
1987) or DFAR, 48 CFR 252.227-7013 (OCT 1988),
as applicable.

28. APPLICABLE LAW. If you acquired this
SOFTWARE in the United States, this EULA is
governed by the laws of the State of
Washington. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in
Canada, unless expressly prohibited by local
law, this EULA is governed by the laws in
force in the Province of Ontario, Canada; and,
in respect of any dispute which may arise
hereunder, you consent to the jurisdiction of
the federal and provincial courts sitting in
Toronto, Ontario. If you acquired this
SOFTWARE in the European Union, Iceland,
Norway, or Switzerland, then local law
applies. If you acquired this SOFTWARE in any
other country, then local law may apply.

29. ENTIRE AGREEMENT; SEVERABILITY. This
EULA (including any addendum or amendment to
this EULA which is included with the
SOFTWARE) are the entire agreement between
you and Manufacturer relating to the SOFTWARE
and support or other services (if any) and
they supersede all prior or contemporaneous
oral or written communications, proposals and
representations with respect to the SOFTWARE
or any other subject matter covered by this
EULA. If any provision of this EULA is held
to be void, invalid, unenforceable or illegal,
the other provisions shall continue in full
force and effect.

Si vous avez acquis le Logiciel au CANADA,
la garantie limitée suivante s'applique :

GARANTIE LIMITÉE

Le Fabricant (identifié ci-dessus en anglais
comme " Manufacturer ") garantit que le
Logiciel fonctionnera substantiellement en
conformité avec la documentation qui
l'accompagne pour une période de quatre-vingt-
dix (90) jours suivant la date de réception.

Si une garantie ou condition implicite est
créée par votre État ou votre territoire et
qu'une loi fédérale ou provinciale ou d'un
État en interdit le déni, vous jouissez
également d'une garantie ou condition
implicite, MAIS UNIQUEMENT POUR LES DÉFAUTS
DÉCOUVERTS DURANT LA PÉRIODE DE LA PRÉSENTE
GARANTIE LIMITÉE (QUATRE-VINGT-DIX JOURS). IL
N'Y A AUCUNE GARANTIE OU CONDITION DE QUELQUE
NATURE QUE CE SOIT QUANT AUX DÉFAUTS
DÉCOUVERTS APRES CETTE PÉRIODE DE QUATRE-
VINGT-DIX JOURS. Certains États ou
territoires ne permettent pas de limiter la
durée d'une garantie ou condition implicite
de sorte que la limitation ci-dessus peut ne
pas s'appliquer à vous.

Tous les suppléments ou toutes les mises à
jour relatifs au Logiciel, notamment, les
ensembles de services ou les réparations à
chaud (le cas échéant) qui vous sont fournis
après l'expiration de la période de quatre-
vingt-dix jours de la garantie limitée ne
sont pas couverts par quelque garantie ou
condition que ce soit, expresse, implicite ou
en vertu de la loi.

LIMITATION DES RECOURS; ABSENCE DE DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS OU AUTRES. Votre recours exclusif
pour toute violation de la présente garantie
limitée est décrit ci-après. Sauf pour tout
remboursement au choix du Fabricant et dans
la mesure maximale permise par le droit
applicable, même si tout recours n'atteint
pas son but essentiel, VOUS N'AVEZ DROIT A
AUCUNS DOMMAGES, NOTAMMENT DES DOMMAGES
INDIRECTS. Les termes de la clause "
Exclusion des dommages accessoires, indirects
et de certains autres dommages " sont
également intégrés à la présente garantie
limitée. Certains États ou territoires ne
permettent pas l'exclusion ou la limitation
des dommages indirects ou accessoires de
sorte que la limitation ou l'exclusion ci-
dessus peut ne pas s'appliquer à vous. La
présente garantie limitée vous donne des
droits légaux spécifiques. Vous pouvez avoir
d'autres droits qui peuvent varier d'un
territoire ou d'un État à un autre.

VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF. La seule
responsabilité du Fabricant et de ses
fournisseurs (y compris Microsoft Licensing,
GP, Microsoft Ireland Operations Limited,
Microsoft (China) Co. Limited (" MS ")
Microsoft Corporation (y compris leurs
filiales) et leurs fournisseurs respectifs)
et votre recours exclusif pour toute
violation de la présente garantie limitée ou
pour toute autre violation du présent contrat
ou pour toute autre responsabilité relative
au Logiciel seront, selon le choix du
Fabricant exercé de temps à autre sous
réserve du droit applicable, a) le
remboursement du prix payé, le cas échéant,
pour le(s) produit(s) conformément aux
politiques de retour du Fabricant, ou b) la
réparation ou le remplacement du Logiciel qui
ne respecte pas la présente garantie limitée
et qui est retourné au Fabricant avec le
Certificat d'authenticité et une copie de
votre reçu à l'adresse spécifiée par le
Fabricant. Vous recevrez la compensation
choisie par le Fabricant, sans frais, sauf
que vous êtes responsable pour toutes
dépenses telles que spécifiées dans la
documentation du Fabricant concernant les
recours en cas de garantie. La présente
garantie limitée est nulle si la défectuosité
du Logiciel est causée par un accident, un
usage abusif, une mauvaise application, un
usage anormal ou un virus. Tout Logiciel de
remplacement sera garanti pour le reste de la
période initiale de la garantie ou pendant
trente (30) jours, selon la plus longue entre
ces deux périodes, et le Fabricant utilisera
des efforts commercialement raisonnables pour
vous fournir la compensation choisie dans un
délai commercialement raisonnable après que
vous vous soyez conformé aux procédures du
Fabricant concernant les recours en cas de
garantie.

DÉNI DE GARANTIES. La garantie limitée qui
apparaît ci-dessus constitue la seule
garantie expresse qui vous est donnée et
remplace toutes autres garanties expresses ou
obligations similaires (s'il en est) créées
par une publicité, un document, un emballage
ou une autre communication. Sauf en ce qui a
trait à la garantie limitée et dans la mesure
maximale permise par le droit applicable, le
Fabricant et ses fournisseurs (y compris MS,
Microsoft Corporation (y compris leurs
filiales) et leurs fournisseurs respectifs)
fournissent le Logiciel et les services de
soutien technique (le cas échéant) TELS QUELS
ET AVEC TOUS LES DÉFAUTS et par les présentes
ils dénient toutes autres garanties et
conditions, expresses, implicites ou en vertu
de la loi, notamment, mais sans limitation,
(le cas échéant) les garanties, devoirs ou
conditions implicites de qualité marchande,
d'adaptation à une fin particulière, de
fiabilité ou de disponibilité, d'exactitude
ou d'exhaustivité des réponses, des résultats,
des efforts déployés selon les règles de
l'art, d'absence de virus et d'absence de
négligence, le tout à l'égard du Logiciel et
de la prestation ou de l'omission de la
prestation des services de soutien technique
ou autres services, renseignements, logiciels
et contenu qui s'y rapporte grâce au Logiciel
ou provenant autrement de l'utilisation du
Logiciel. PAR AILLEURS, IL N'Y A AUCUNE
GARANTIE OU CONDITION QUANT AU TITRE DE
PROPRIÉTÉ, A LA JOUISSANCE OU A LA POSSESSION
PAISIBLE, A LA CONCORDANCE A UNE DESCRIPTION
NI QUANT A UNE ABSENCE DE CONTREFAÇON
CONCERNANT LE LOGICIEL.

EXCLUSION DES DOMMAGES ACCESSOIRES,
INDIRECTS ET DE CERTAINS AUTRES DOMMAGES.
DANS LA MESURE MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LE DROIT
APPLICABLE, EN AUCUN CAS LE FABRICANT OU SES
FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT
CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET
LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) NE SERONT
RESPONSABLES DES DOMMAGES SPÉCIAUX, INCIDENTS,
PUNITIFS, INDIRECTS OU ACCESSOIRES DE QUELQUE
NATURE QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS, MAIS SANS
LIMITATION, LES DOMMAGES POUR PERTE DE PROFIT
OU POUR PERTE DE RENSEIGNEMENTS,
CONFIDENTIELS OU AUTRES, POUR L'INTERRUPTION
DES ACTIVITÉS, POUR BLESSURES CORPORELLES,
VIOLATION DE LA VIE PRIVÉE, OMISSION DE
REMPLIR TOUT DEVOIR DE BONNE FOI OU DE SOIN
RAISONNABLE, POUR NÉGLIGENCE OU POUR TOUTE
AUTRE PERTE PÉCUNIAIRE OU AUTRE PERTE DE
QUELQUE NATURE QUE CE SOIT) SE RAPPORTANT DE
QUELQUE MANIERE QUE CE SOIT A L'UTILISATION
DU LOGICIEL OU A L'INCAPACITÉ DE S'EN SERVIR,
A LA FOURNITURE OU A L'OMISSION DE FOURNIR
DES SERVICES DE SOUTIEN TECHNIQUE OU AUTRES
SERVICES, DES RENSEIGNEMENTS, LOGICIELS ET
CONTENU QUI S'Y RAPPORTE GRACE AU LOGICIEL OU
AUTREMENT EN VERTU DES TERMES DE TOUTE
DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT CONTRAT OU
RELATIVEMENT A UNE TELLE DISPOSITION, MEME EN
CAS DE FAUTE, DE DÉLIT CIVIL (Y COMPRIS LA
NÉGLIGENCE), DE FAUSSE REPRÉSENTATION, DE
RESPONSABILITÉ STRICTE, DE VIOLATION DE
CONTRAT OU DE VIOLATION DE GARANTIE DU
FABRICANT OU DE TOUT FOURNISSEUR (Y COMPRIS
MS, MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS
FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS),
ET CE, MEME SI LE FABRICANT OU TOUT
FOURNISSEUR (Y COMPRIS MS, MICROSOFT
CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS FILIALES) ET
LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS) A ÉTÉ AVISÉ DE
LA POSSIBILITÉ DE TELS DOMMAGES.

LIMITATION DE RESPONSABILITÉ ET RECOURS.
MALGRÉ LES DOMMAGES QUE VOUS PUISSIEZ SUBIR
POUR QUELQUE MOTIF QUE CE SOIT (Y COMPRIS
NOTAMMENT, MAIS SANS LIMITATION, TOUS LES
DOMMAGES SUSMENTIONNÉS ET TOUS LES DOMMAGES
DIRECTS OU GÉNÉRAUX, CONTRACTUELS OU AUTRES),
LA SEULE RESPONSABILITÉ DU FABRICANT ET DE
L'UN DE SES FOURNISSEURS (Y COMPRIS MS,
MICROSOFT CORPORATION (Y COMPRIS LEURS
FILIALES) ET LEURS FOURNISSEURS RESPECTIFS)
AUX TERMES DE TOUTE DISPOSITION DU PRÉSENT
CONTRAT ET VOTRE RECOURS EXCLUSIF EN VERTU
DES PRÉSENTES (SAUF EN CE QUI CONCERNE TOUT
RECOURS DE RÉPARATION OU DE REMPLACEMENT
CHOISI PAR LE FABRICANT A L'ÉGARD DE TOUT
MANQUEMENT A LA GARANTIE LIMITÉE) SE LIMITE
AU PLUS ÉLEVÉ DES DOMMAGES RÉELS QUE VOUS
AVEZ SUBIS EN VOUS FIANT RAISONNABLEMENT SUR
LE LOGICIEL JUSQU'A CONCURRENCE DU MONTANT
QUE VOUS AVEZ RÉELLEMENT PAYÉ POUR LE
LOGICIEL OU 5,00 $US. LES LIMITES, EXCLUSIONS
ET DÉNIS QUI PRÉCEDENT (Y COMPRIS LES CLAUSES
CI-DESSUS) S'APPLIQUENT DANS LA MESURE
MAXIMALE PERMISE PAR LE DROIT APPLICABLE,
MEME SI TOUT RECOURS N'ATTEINT PAS SON BUT
ESSENTIEL.

A moins que cela ne soit prohibé par le
droit local applicable, le présent contrat
est régi par les lois en vigueur dans la
province d'Ontario, Canada. En cas de tout
différend qui pourrait surgir en vertu des
présentes, vous consentez à la juridiction
des tribunaux fédéraux et provinciaux
siégeant à Toronto, dans la province
d'Ontario.


The following MANUFACTURER'S GUARANTEE
applies to you if you acquired this SOFTWARE
in any other country:

Statutory rights not affected - The
following guarantee is not restricted to any
territory and does not affect any statutory
rights that you may have from your reseller
or from Manufacturer if you acquired the
SOFTWARE directly from Manufacturer. If you
acquired the SOFTWARE or any support services
in Australia, New Zealand or Malaysia, please
see the 'Consumer rights' section below.

The guarantee - The SOFTWARE is designed and
offered as general-purpose software, not for
any user's particular purpose. You accept
that no SOFTWARE is error free and you are
strongly advised to back-up your files
regularly. Provided that you have a valid
license, Manufacturer guarantees that (a) for
a period of ninety (90) days from the date of
receipt of your license to use the SOFTWARE
or the shortest period permitted by
applicable law it will perform substantially
in accordance with the materials that
accompany the SOFTWARE; and (b) any support
services provided by Manufacturer shall be
substantially as described in applicable
materials provided to you by Manufacturer. In
the event that the SOFTWARE fails to comply
with this guarantee, Manufacturer will either
(a) repair or replace the SOFTWARE or (b)
return the amount you paid (if any) for the
product(s) in accordance with Manufacturer's
return policies. This guarantee is void if
failure of the SOFTWARE results from accident,
abuse or misapplication. Any replacement
SOFTWARE will be guaranteed for the remainder
of the original guarantee period or thirty
(30) days, whichever period is longer. You
agree that the above guarantee is your sole
guarantee in relation to the SOFTWARE and any
support services.

Exclusion of All Other Terms - To the
maximum extent permitted by applicable law
and subject to the guarantee above,
Manufacturer and its suppliers (including MS,
Microsoft Corporation (including its
subsidiaries) and their respective suppliers)
disclaim all warranties, conditions and other
terms, either express or implied (whether by
statute, common law, collaterally or
otherwise) including but not limited to
implied warranties of satisfactory quality
and fitness for particular purpose with
respect to the SOFTWARE and the written
materials that accompany the SOFTWARE. Any
implied warranties that cannot be excluded
are limited to ninety (90) days or to the
shortest period permitted by applicable law,
whichever is greater.

Limitation of Liability - To the maximum
extent permitted by applicable law and except
as provided in the Manufacturer Guarantee,
Manufacturer and its suppliers (including MS,
Microsoft Corporation, (including its
subsidiaries) and their respective suppliers)
shall not be liable for any damages
whatsoever (including without limitation,
damages for loss of business profits,
business interruption, loss of business
information or other pecuniary loss) arising
out of the use or inability to use the
SOFTWARE, even if Manufacturer and its
suppliers (including MS, Microsoft
Corporation, (including its subsidiaries) and
their respective suppliers) have been advised
of the possibility of such damages. In any
case Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers'
(including MS', Microsoft Corporation's
(including its subsidiaries') and their
respective suppliers') entire liability under
any provision of this EULA shall be limited
to the amount actually paid by you for the
SOFTWARE. These limitations do not apply to
any liabilities that cannot be excluded or
limited by applicable laws.

Consumer rights - Consumers in Australia,
New Zealand or Malaysia may have the benefit
of certain rights and remedies by reason of
the Trade Practices Act and similar state and
territory laws in Australia, the Consumer
Guarantees Act in New Zealand and the
Consumer Protection Act in Malaysia in
respect of which liability cannot lawfully be
modified or excluded. If you acquired the
SOFTWARE in New Zealand for the purposes of a
business, you confirm that the Consumer
Guarantees Act does not apply. If you
acquired the SOFTWARE in Australia and if
Manufacturer breaches a condition or warranty
implied under any law which cannot lawfully
be modified or excluded by this agreement
then, to the extent permitted by law,
Manufacturer's and any of its suppliers'
(including MS', Microsoft Corporation's
(including its subsidiaries') and their
respective suppliers') liability is limited,
at Manufacturer's option, to: (i) in the case
of the SOFTWA (a) repairing or replacing
the SOFTWARE; or (b) the cost of such repair
or replacement; and (ii) in the case of
support services, if any: (a) re-supply of
the services; or (b) the cost of having the
services supplied again.

EULAID:MCE05E_RM.0_UPD_OEM_EN



--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

You can learn all about Microsoft OEM licensing by visiting the
Microsoft OEM web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/oem/english/default.mspx

All you learn is that except for that page, it is password protected
site!

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

kurttrail wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

"If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE."

Hardware = Motherboard


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

That would depend on his EULA. This EULA change is recent within
the last few months. If the EULA he has at the moment has no
mention if this new motherboard clause then he is not affected as he
has not agreed to it.

Now you are an out and out liar, Carey.

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall
mean the HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a
single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE
operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
system component." - OEM EULA

Nowhere in the EULA does it say anything like "Hardware =
Motherboard!"

Remember how I asked you guys for book recommendations a few weeks back?

Well, the book arrived on the 26th, and I've been pretty busy reading
it, although I'm still trying to read as much here as I can.

From /Microsoft Windows XP InsideOut/, written by Ed Bott, Carl Siechert
and Craig Stinson, and published by Microsoft Press:

"Copies of Windows XP sold with new computers may be exempt from WPA. If
you purchase a new computer on which Windows XP is pre-installed, the
activation process may have been completed before you took delivery. In
addition, copies of Windows sold this way are frequently tied via
software to the BIOS of that computer (this method of installation is
called System Locked Pre-Installation, or SLP). You may reinstall that
copy of Windows XP an unlimited number of times on the computer it came
with, regardless of how many upgrades you make, as long as you don’t
change the BIOS. In fact, **you can replace the motherboard on a system
activated with SLP as long as the new part is from the same manufacturer
and uses the same BIOS identifier.** However, you may be prohibited by
the license agreement from transferring that copy of Windows to another
computer."

[emphasis supplied]

My EULA--from a computer that came from Dell in January--says, in part:


The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the
HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single
computer system, or shall mean the computer system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE.
Manufacturer grants you the following rights provided that
you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not be used
by more than two (2) processors at any one time on the
COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the COA.

1.2 SOFTWARE as a Component of the COMPUTER - Transfer.
This license may not be shared, transferred to or used
concurrently on different computers. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER.
If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently
transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as
part of a permanent sale or transfer of the COMPUTER,
provided you retain no copies of the SOFTWARE.
If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any transfer
must also include all prior versions of the
SOFTWARE. This transfer must also include
the Certificate of Authenticity label. The transfer
may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment.
Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the
Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

1.3 Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted
under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30)
days after you first install the SOFTWARE unless
you supply information required to activate your
licensed copy in the manner described during the
setup sequence of the SOFTWARE. You can activate
the SOFTWARE through the use of the Internet or
telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also
need to reactivate the SOFTWARE if you modify your
computer hardware or alter the SOFTWARE. There
are technological measures in this SOFTWARE that
are designed to prevent unlicensed use of the
SOFTWARE. Microsoft will use those measures to
confirm you have a legally licensed copy of the
SOFTWARE. If you are not using a licensed copy
of the SOFTWARE, you are not allowed to install
the SOFTWARE or future SOFTWARE
updates. Microsoft Licensing, GP, Microsoft Ireland
Operations Limited and/or Microsoft (China) Co.
Limited (collectively "MS"), Microsoft Corporation
and its subsidiaries will not collect any personally
identifiable information from your COMPUTER during
this process.

I read it and then I searched it, and I failed to find any reference to
BIOS or motherboard.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

Wow!



"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
...
kurttrail wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

"If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE."

Hardware = Motherboard


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

That would depend on his EULA. This EULA change is recent within
the last few months. If the EULA he has at the moment has no
mention if this new motherboard clause then he is not affected as he
has not agreed to it.

Now you are an out and out liar, Carey.

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall
mean the HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a
single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE
operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
system component." - OEM EULA

Nowhere in the EULA does it say anything like "Hardware =
Motherboard!"

Remember how I asked you guys for book recommendations a few weeks back?

Well, the book arrived on the 26th, and I've been pretty busy reading
it, although I'm still trying to read as much here as I can.

From /Microsoft Windows XP InsideOut/, written by Ed Bott, Carl Siechert
and Craig Stinson, and published by Microsoft Press:

"Copies of Windows XP sold with new computers may be exempt from WPA. If
you purchase a new computer on which Windows XP is pre-installed, the
activation process may have been completed before you took delivery. In
addition, copies of Windows sold this way are frequently tied via
software to the BIOS of that computer (this method of installation is
called System Locked Pre-Installation, or SLP). You may reinstall that
copy of Windows XP an unlimited number of times on the computer it came
with, regardless of how many upgrades you make, as long as you don't
change the BIOS. In fact, **you can replace the motherboard on a system
activated with SLP as long as the new part is from the same manufacturer
and uses the same BIOS identifier.** However, you may be prohibited by
the license agreement from transferring that copy of Windows to another
computer."

[emphasis supplied]

My EULA--from a computer that came from Dell in January--says, in part:


The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the
HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single
computer system, or shall mean the computer system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE.
Manufacturer grants you the following rights provided that
you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not be used
by more than two (2) processors at any one time on the
COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the COA.

1.2 SOFTWARE as a Component of the COMPUTER - Transfer.
This license may not be shared, transferred to or used
concurrently on different computers. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER.
If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently
transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as
part of a permanent sale or transfer of the COMPUTER,
provided you retain no copies of the SOFTWARE.
If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any transfer
must also include all prior versions of the
SOFTWARE. This transfer must also include
the Certificate of Authenticity label. The transfer
may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment.
Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the
Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

1.3 Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted
under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30)
days after you first install the SOFTWARE unless
you supply information required to activate your
licensed copy in the manner described during the
setup sequence of the SOFTWARE. You can activate
the SOFTWARE through the use of the Internet or
telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also
need to reactivate the SOFTWARE if you modify your
computer hardware or alter the SOFTWARE. There
are technological measures in this SOFTWARE that
are designed to prevent unlicensed use of the
SOFTWARE. Microsoft will use those measures to
confirm you have a legally licensed copy of the
SOFTWARE. If you are not using a licensed copy
of the SOFTWARE, you are not allowed to install
the SOFTWARE or future SOFTWARE
updates. Microsoft Licensing, GP, Microsoft Ireland
Operations Limited and/or Microsoft (China) Co.
Limited (collectively "MS"), Microsoft Corporation
and its subsidiaries will not collect any personally
identifiable information from your COMPUTER during
this process.

I read it and then I searched it, and I failed to find any reference to
BIOS or motherboard.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

CRaven wrote:
Since you are all discussing Installing OEM software - and have all
given the impression that you have installed OEM software - you are
entitled to register at oem.microsoft.com

The page that provides you with the information which confirms both My
ansewers and careys is :
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/cont...ID=552846#faq3

Alias - Check what you are talking about befor you make arsumptions

Mr. or Ms. Raven,

I have read my EULA, which is one that shipped with a Dell computer in
January, so I suspect it is the most recent version.

The page you linked above is inaccessible to most of us, so it cannot
be a part of the discussion, unless you want to post the text of it
here.

Legal agreements are construed against the drafter of the agreement,
which in this case is Microsoft. What that means is that in any court
action, unless Microsoft has clearly stated--in the EULA--what you are
saying above, it will lose.

And my EULA doesn't say what you're saying.

It doesn't really matter what Microsoft tells its partners. There are a
lot of precedents for representations outside the agreement and about
side agreements, and with very rare exceptions, the representations and
side agreements fail if they are contrary to the language of the
agreement.

It has always been interesting to me to observe laymen interpret
legalese. Rest assured, however, that in the end, the legalese will not
be interpreted by an employee at Microsoft, but by someone who actually
understands what all the terms of art mean. Microsoft has good lawyers
and they understand this, and the EULA was written to satisfy
longstanding legal requirements. I'm quite sure that they said what they
meant and they meant what they said, regardless of your understanding of
the situation.

In the meantime, you appear to be erroneously interpreting a legal
document to the detriment of others, based upon your employment by
Microsoft.

Given the OPs description of her problem, she has a perfect right to use
her current license to reinstall the software. It is wrong of you to
give her erroneous legal advice that will ultimately cost her money and
leave her possessed of an additional license she does not need.

Has anyone ever explained to you the consequences of practicing law
without a license?

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

Hi Rhonda,

Those of us that do have access to that site CANNOT post what is there due
to NDA restrictions.

That being said, I have to agree with the assertion that if it isn't
available to the public then it doesn't apply to the public.
A lot of us have asked that MS publish these changes on the public side of
the site, but no joy so far.

--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
...
CRaven wrote:
Since you are all discussing Installing OEM software - and have all
given the impression that you have installed OEM software - you are
entitled to register at oem.microsoft.com

The page that provides you with the information which confirms both My
ansewers and careys is :
http://oem.microsoft.com/script/cont...ID=552846#faq3

Alias - Check what you are talking about befor you make arsumptions

Mr. or Ms. Raven,

I have read my EULA, which is one that shipped with a Dell computer in
January, so I suspect it is the most recent version.

The page you linked above is inaccessible to most of us, so it cannot be
a part of the discussion, unless you want to post the text of it here.

Legal agreements are construed against the drafter of the agreement, which
in this case is Microsoft. What that means is that in any court action,
unless Microsoft has clearly stated--in the EULA--what you are saying
above, it will lose.

And my EULA doesn't say what you're saying.

It doesn't really matter what Microsoft tells its partners. There are a
lot of precedents for representations outside the agreement and about side
agreements, and with very rare exceptions, the representations and side
agreements fail if they are contrary to the language of the agreement.

It has always been interesting to me to observe laymen interpret legalese.
Rest assured, however, that in the end, the legalese will not be
interpreted by an employee at Microsoft, but by someone who actually
understands what all the terms of art mean. Microsoft has good lawyers and
they understand this, and the EULA was written to satisfy longstanding
legal requirements. I'm quite sure that they said what they meant and they
meant what they said, regardless of your understanding of the situation.

In the meantime, you appear to be erroneously interpreting a legal
document to the detriment of others, based upon your employment by
Microsoft.

Given the OPs description of her problem, she has a perfect right to use
her current license to reinstall the software. It is wrong of you to give
her erroneous legal advice that will ultimately cost her money and leave
her possessed of an additional license she does not need.

Has anyone ever explained to you the consequences of practicing law
without a license?

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

Larry Samuels wrote:
Hi Rhonda,

Those of us that do have access to that site CANNOT post what is
there due to NDA restrictions.

That being said, I have to agree with the assertion that if it isn't
available to the public then it doesn't apply to the public.
A lot of us have asked that MS publish these changes on the public
side of the site, but no joy so far.

Hi Larry

I suppose it's just like any other business--someone has to get around
to it...and sometimes that just takes time.

But whatever is on that site is not the agreement between Microsoft and
the consumer--the EULA is the sum total of the agreement, and if the
EULA doesn't say it, then it doesn't bind the consumer to anything.

So the site isn't relevant, and the only danger here is that an employee
of Microsoft is making representations (in an official capacity, no
less, given the signature on the posts) that appear to be untrue.

I'm not a lawyer, btw. I'm just a lowly paralegal with 22 years in
general practice, including corporate law and litigation (although what
I do best are real estate and estate planning). So while I'm not
competent to give legal advice, I do know how to read and understand a
legal document.

rl

I fail to see where "Mr. or Ms. Raven" stated he or she
was a Microsoft employee. Your assumption is wrong,
and the remainder of your post is also categorically wrong.

Case dismissed!

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----------------

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote:

| CRaven wrote:
| Since you are all discussing Installing OEM software - and have all
| given the impression that you have installed OEM software - you are
| entitled to register at oem.microsoft.com
|
| The page that provides you with the information which confirms both My
| ansewers and careys is :
| http://oem.microsoft.com/script/cont...ID=552846#faq3
|
| Alias - Check what you are talking about befor you make arsumptions
|
| Mr. or Ms. Raven,
|
| I have read my EULA, which is one that shipped with a Dell computer in
| January, so I suspect it is the most recent version.
|
| The page you linked above is inaccessible to most of us, so it cannot
| be a part of the discussion, unless you want to post the text of it
| here.
|
| Legal agreements are construed against the drafter of the agreement,
| which in this case is Microsoft. What that means is that in any court
| action, unless Microsoft has clearly stated--in the EULA--what you are
| saying above, it will lose.
|
| And my EULA doesn't say what you're saying.
|
| It doesn't really matter what Microsoft tells its partners. There are a
| lot of precedents for representations outside the agreement and about
| side agreements, and with very rare exceptions, the representations and
| side agreements fail if they are contrary to the language of the
| agreement.
|
| It has always been interesting to me to observe laymen interpret
| legalese. Rest assured, however, that in the end, the legalese will not
| be interpreted by an employee at Microsoft, but by someone who actually
| understands what all the terms of art mean. Microsoft has good lawyers
| and they understand this, and the EULA was written to satisfy
| longstanding legal requirements. I'm quite sure that they said what they
| meant and they meant what they said, regardless of your understanding of
| the situation.
|
| In the meantime, you appear to be erroneously interpreting a legal
| document to the detriment of others, based upon your employment by
| Microsoft.
|
| Given the OPs description of her problem, she has a perfect right to use
| her current license to reinstall the software. It is wrong of you to
| give her erroneous legal advice that will ultimately cost her money and
| leave her possessed of an additional license she does not need.
|
| Has anyone ever explained to you the consequences of practicing law
| without a license?
|
| rl
| --
| Rhonda Lea Kirk
|
| Insisting on perfect safety is for people
| without the balls to live in the real world.
| Mary Shafer Iliff

Hi Rhonda,

MVPs are absolutely *NOT* Microsoft employees. In fact, there is a clause in
the agreement that if a MVP is hired by MS that they have to give up their
MVP status.

You can get more info on who MVPs are and what the program is about at
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/


--
Larry Samuels Associate Expert
MS-MVP (2001-2005)
Unofficial FAQ for Windows Server 2003 at
http://pelos.us/SERVER.htm
Expert Zone- www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message
...
Hi Larry

I suppose it's just like any other business--someone has to get around to
it...and sometimes that just takes time.

But whatever is on that site is not the agreement between Microsoft and
the consumer--the EULA is the sum total of the agreement, and if the EULA
doesn't say it, then it doesn't bind the consumer to anything.

So the site isn't relevant, and the only danger here is that an employee
of Microsoft is making representations (in an official capacity, no less,
given the signature on the posts) that appear to be untrue.

I'm not a lawyer, btw. I'm just a lowly paralegal with 22 years in general
practice, including corporate law and litigation (although what I do best
are real estate and estate planning). So while I'm not competent to give
legal advice, I do know how to read and understand a legal document.

rl

Larry Samuels wrote:
Hi Rhonda,

MVPs are absolutely *NOT* Microsoft employees. In fact, there is a
clause in the agreement that if a MVP is hired by MS that they have
to give up their MVP status.

I wasn't talking about an MVP. I haven't seen *any* MVP write anything I
would consider actionable.

I was talking about CRaven, who holds him/herself out to be a "Microsoft
Certified Technology Specialist, Microsoft Licensing Sales Specialist,
and Microsoft Small Business Specialist." It may be, however, that I
have misinterpreted these titles, and that s/he does not work for
Microsoft, but has simply been endowed with special magical powers. In
which case, if I were Microsoft, I'd take them back soonest.

You can get more info on who MVPs are and what the program is about at
http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/

Read it already. I've been really, really busy these last few weeks with
all the reading I've been doing (I'm currently unemployed, so I have
time), and my eyes hurt.

I think you guys (to include both men and women MVPs) are terrific to
give your time and that you do a wonderful job. I've learned a lot here.

I just didn't like CRaven's attitude--it was a little too haughty for my
taste, so I expressed myself in a tone to match.

rl
--
Rhonda Lea Kirk

Insisting on perfect safety is for people
without the balls to live in the real world.
Mary Shafer Iliff

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
I fail to see where "Mr. or Ms. Raven" stated he or she
was a Microsoft employee.

Please see my reply to Larry. I saw three titles below his/her name:
Microsoft Certified Technology Specialist, Microsoft Licensing Sales
Specialist, Microsoft Small Business Specialist. I also admitted that I
may have misunderstood the meaning of these titles, but they certainly
look like job titles to me.

Your assumption is wrong,
and the remainder of your post is also categorically wrong.

How so?

Case dismissed!

Judges only talk like that on TV.

A good argument (not a food fight, but an argument, in the philosophical
or legal sense), consists of a premise, evidence for the premise, and a
conclusion.

An assertion is not an argument. I can't do anything with what you
wrote, because I don't know what you're saying.

I do know that I am not a person who has been picking at you or trying
to get your goat, so treating me as if I am hardly seems like the right
thing to do.

In the world I live in, the agreement is the agreement, and that's what
the EULA is--an agreement. So it doesn't matter what people say about
the EULA, it only matters what the EULA says about itself. I even
doublechecked--because sometimes an agreement of this sort will say
something along the lines of "continued use of product after a change
in the terms of this agreement implies consent to the new terms"--but I
didn't find anything in my EULA to indicate that the agreement can be
changed, unless a new EULA becomes applicable as the result of a
software up(or down)grade. I expect that's because such changes have to
be announced in a way that the company has reasonable certainty the
consumer will have access to them, and I don't imagine Microsoft wants
to send out that many letters.

I don't have a horse in this race, Carey. In other words, I am without
an ax to grind. And there's a reason for that:

I remember when everyone used bootlegged software (and a lot of those
people were lawyers, go figure). I remember different software companies
trying out one or another software protection scheme because they were
starving while everyone and his brother were using their product without
paying for it. I remember when most people didn't pay their shareware
fees, because there was no way to force them to do so. I remember people
asking to borrow my disks because they didn't want to shell out the
bucks for whatever program it happened to be, although that didn't
happen too often to me, because I was using a Mac.

I also remember a brief time when support was free (and an earlier time
when there was no support at all, except peer support), and even people
with bootlegged copies could call up and get help, because that's just
the way things were.

It was wrong (I always paid for my software), and I can understand why
Microsoft has gone to the lengths it has to protect its intellectual
property. But I don't think that attempts to interpret the agreement to
force an end-user to buy an additional license for a product s/he
already owns (just because his/her computer blew up, which is what the
OP was asking about) is what anyone had in mind. It's certainly not what
my EULA says, and I doubt I am unique.

If I were the original poster, I would just write to (not call)
Microsoft, and ask for a determination, because this thread is totally
out of control.

rl

Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

kurttrail wrote:
Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

"If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE."

Hardware = Motherboard


Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
If the motherboard dies, then in order to use the same
OEM Windows XP license, a new motherboard can
be used as long as the new motherboard is an exact
duplicate model of the original motherboard. If a
different model motherboard is installed, than a
new Windows XP license would be required.

That would depend on his EULA. This EULA change is recent within
the last few months. If the EULA he has at the moment has no
mention if this new motherboard clause then he is not affected as
he has not agreed to it.

Now you are an out and out liar, Carey.

"The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall
mean the HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a
single computer system, or shall mean the
computer system with which the HARDWARE
operates, if the HARDWARE is a computer
system component." - OEM EULA

Nowhere in the EULA does it say anything like "Hardware =
Motherboard!"

Remember how I asked you guys for book recommendations a few weeks
back?
Well, the book arrived on the 26th, and I've been pretty busy reading
it, although I'm still trying to read as much here as I can.

From /Microsoft Windows XP InsideOut/, written by Ed Bott, Carl
Siechert and Craig Stinson, and published by Microsoft Press:

"Copies of Windows XP sold with new computers may be exempt from WPA.
If you purchase a new computer on which Windows XP is pre-installed,
the activation process may have been completed before you took
delivery. In addition, copies of Windows sold this way are frequently
tied via software to the BIOS of that computer (this method of
installation is called System Locked Pre-Installation, or SLP). You
may reinstall that copy of Windows XP an unlimited number of times on
the computer it came with, regardless of how many upgrades you make,
as long as you don’t change the BIOS. In fact, **you can replace the
motherboard on a system activated with SLP as long as the new part is
from the same manufacturer and uses the same BIOS identifier.**
However, you may be prohibited by the license agreement from
transferring that copy of Windows to another computer."

[emphasis supplied]

My EULA--from a computer that came from Dell in January--says, in
part:

The term "COMPUTER" as used herein shall mean the
HARDWARE, if the HARDWARE is a single
computer system, or shall mean the computer system
with which the HARDWARE operates, if the
HARDWARE is a computer system component.

1. GRANT OF LICENSE.
Manufacturer grants you the following rights provided that
you comply with all terms and conditions of this EULA:

1.1 Installation and use. You may install, use, access,
display and run one copy of the SOFTWARE on
the COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE may not be used
by more than two (2) processors at any one time on the
COMPUTER, unless a higher number is
indicated on the COA.

1.2 SOFTWARE as a Component of the COMPUTER - Transfer.
This license may not be shared, transferred to or used
concurrently on different computers. The SOFTWARE
is licensed with the COMPUTER as a single integrated
product and may only be used with the COMPUTER.
If the SOFTWARE is not accompanied by HARDWARE,
you may not use the SOFTWARE. You may permanently
transfer all of your rights under this EULA only as
part of a permanent sale or transfer of the COMPUTER,
provided you retain no copies of the SOFTWARE.
If the SOFTWARE is an upgrade, any transfer
must also include all prior versions of the
SOFTWARE. This transfer must also include
the Certificate of Authenticity label. The transfer
may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment.
Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the
Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

1.3 Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted
under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30)
days after you first install the SOFTWARE unless
you supply information required to activate your
licensed copy in the manner described during the
setup sequence of the SOFTWARE. You can activate
the SOFTWARE through the use of the Internet or
telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also
need to reactivate the SOFTWARE if you modify your
computer hardware or alter the SOFTWARE. There
are technological measures in this SOFTWARE that
are designed to prevent unlicensed use of the
SOFTWARE. Microsoft will use those measures to
confirm you have a legally licensed copy of the
SOFTWARE. If you are not using a licensed copy
of the SOFTWARE, you are not allowed to install
the SOFTWARE or future SOFTWARE
updates. Microsoft Licensing, GP, Microsoft Ireland
Operations Limited and/or Microsoft (China) Co.
Limited (collectively "MS"), Microsoft Corporation
and its subsidiaries will not collect any personally
identifiable information from your COMPUTER during
this process.

I read it and then I searched it, and I failed to find any reference
to BIOS or motherboard.

Nor is there any reference to the motherboard in any Windows XP OEM EULA
from XP Gold to MCE 2005.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

Larry Samuels wrote:

Hi Rhonda,

Those of us that do have access to that site CANNOT post what is
there due to NDA restrictions.

That being said, I have to agree with the assertion that if it isn't
available to the public then it doesn't apply to the public.
A lot of us have asked that MS publish these changes on the public
side of the site, but no joy so far.

I wouldn't care if MS hired planes with banners to get the message
public, none of that motherboard is the computer crap is in any license
any user agreed to.

--
Peace!
Kurt Kirsch
Self-anointed Moderator
http://microscum.com
"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."

Larry Samuels wrote:

Hi Rhonda,

Those of us that do have access to that site CANNOT post what is
there due to NDA restrictions. snip

The NDA restrictions haven't stopped Carey.

--
Peace!
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"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."