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Old April 30th 06, 02:05 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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I found what's below by following links in the Help and Support Center
installed on my computer. It is a short excerpt taken from "Myths of
Product Activation."

Apparently the misinformation is rampant enough that Microsoft felt the
need to dispell it.

http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_myths.mspx

Product Activation keeps users from changing or upgrading their
hardware.
Not true at all. Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the
forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk
imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case
where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to
illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by
forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing
the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is
now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then
reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the
software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware
substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason
is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another
confirmation ID.


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Old April 30th 06, 03:07 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Sorry, but a preinstalled OEM Dell customized version
of Windows XP will not activate if a non-Dell motherboard
is installed. The Dell issued OEM license for Windows XP
will only activate with an approved Dell motherboard.

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Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
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news://msnews.microsoft.com/

---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----------------

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote:

| Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
| In summary, here are the facts regarding Microsoft OEM licensing,
| whether it is a generic OEM or PC manufacturer's preinstalled OEM:
|
| 1. An OEM license is a single-use license.
| 2. An OEM license is licensed for use only on the first computer
| it is installed and activated on.
| 3. An OEM license is non-transferable to a different computer.
| 4. An OEM license is permanently tied to the motherboard BIOS.
| 5. If a motherboard becomes defective, it must be replaced with
| an identical make and model, otherwise the OEM license is invalid
| and a new license is required.
|
| Dear Carey,
|
| With regard to items 4 and 5, it does not say that anywhere in the EULA
| on my computer. I have the feeling that in item 1, you meant "user" not
| "use," and items 2 and 3 are close enough to accept as accurate--at
| least insofar as my EULA is concerned.
|
| But, as I said, 4 and 5 are nowhere in the document, and I just read the
| whole thing all over again (except the French, because French annoys
| me).
|
| My EULA does, however, say the following, and it is a paragraph that we
| in the legal profession refer to as "boilerplate," because it is
| something we always insert in every agreement in substantially the same
| form as set forth below:
|
| ENTIRE AGREEMENT; SEVERABILITY.
| This EULA (including any addendum or amendment to this EULA
| which is included with the SOFTWARE) are the entire
| agreement between you and Manufacturer relating to the
| SOFTWARE and support or other services (if any) and they
| supersede all prior or contemporaneous oral or written
| communications, proposals and representations with respect
| to the SOFTWARE or any other subject matter covered by this
| EULA. If any provision of this EULA is held to be void,
| invalid, unenforceable or illegal, the other provisions
| shall continue in full force and effect.
|
| It doesn't matter what Microsoft says on any website. It doesn't matter
| what company employees tell you or me or anyone. The EULA I accepted
| supersedes it all. It says so in the EULA.
|
| So if I change my motherboard tomorrow, for any reason, I will be
| completely within my rights to reactivate my software, and God help the
| licensing tech who gets in my way.
|
| rl
| --

  #123  
Old April 30th 06, 03:08 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Except for the motherboard....

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------*----------------

"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote in message ...
|I found what's below by following links in the Help and Support Center
| installed on my computer. It is a short excerpt taken from "Myths of
| Product Activation."
|
| Apparently the misinformation is rampant enough that Microsoft felt the
| need to dispell it.
|
| http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/activation_myths.mspx
|
| Product Activation keeps users from changing or upgrading their
| hardware.
| Not true at all. Users can change or upgrade their hardware. One of the
| forms of piracy that Product Activation guards against is hard disk
| imaging. Not all forms of hard disk imaging are illegal. In the case
| where a pirate copies data from one PC hard drive to another to
| illegally run the software on two PCs, Product Activation stops that by
| forcing the copied software to be reactivated. It does so by comparing
| the hardware on which it was activated to the hardware on which it is
| now being booted. If the hardware is substantially different, then
| reactivation is required. If it is the same or similar, then the
| software will continue to work. Those who upgrade their PC's hardware
| substantially may be asked to reactivate. Reactivation for this reason
| is easy and can be completed by contacting Microsoft to obtain another
| confirmation ID.
|
|

  #124  
Old April 30th 06, 03:14 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

Sorry, but a preinstalled OEM Dell customized version
of Windows XP will not activate if a non-Dell motherboard
is installed. The Dell issued OEM license for Windows XP
will only activate with an approved Dell motherboard.


The above statement is completely incorrect. Activation these days
isn't as stringent as it is made out to be. The current MS strategy is
to install XP on as many machines as possible to avoid serious challenge
from Linux.

  #125  
Old April 30th 06, 03:20 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Sorry, but a preinstalled OEM Dell customized version
of Windows XP will not activate if a non-Dell motherboard
is installed. The Dell issued OEM license for Windows XP
will only activate with an approved Dell motherboard.


Bullocks! A Dell issued license with a Dell mobo doesn't need to be
activated as it is BIOS-locked.

A Dell key being used on a non-Dell mobo can be activated by phone. I
know because I've done it multiple times.

The difference between you and me is that my knowledge comes from doing,
from actual real life experience, and your knowledge comes from what you
have been told by others, IOW you believe in fairy tales.

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  #126  
Old April 30th 06, 03:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

You are in need of a spanking. laughing


LOL! Yes, PLEASE!

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  #127  
Old April 30th 06, 03:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Except for the motherboard....


Again, please quote the EULA and/or SBL where it specifically states
that. You cannot, because that EULA/SBL quote doesn't exist, and never
has existed!

You can repeat your nonsense over and over again, like a good little
Nazi propagandist, but it still doesn't make it a reality, Carey.

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  #128  
Old April 30th 06, 04:42 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Except for the motherboard....


If I get really bored next week, I'm going to print out this thread and
mail it to Microsoft's legal department along with a copy of my EULA and
a request for clarification and interpretation, because this is getting
on my nerves.

OTOH, because I don't expect to receive permission to post it, you're
just going to have to take my word for it.

laughing

Enough. I'll quit now. I think the point has been made over and over
again, and this thread isn't fun anymore.

rl
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I am not a whetstone.



  #129  
Old April 30th 06, 04:58 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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You have my express permission to print every word
I posted in this newsgroup and forward it to whomever
you so desire.

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Windows XP - Shell/User


"Rhonda Lea Kirk" wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

Except for the motherboard....


If I get really bored next week, I'm going to print out this thread and
mail it to Microsoft's legal department along with a copy of my EULA and
a request for clarification and interpretation, because this is getting
on my nerves.

OTOH, because I don't expect to receive permission to post it, you're
just going to have to take my word for it.

laughing

Enough. I'll quit now. I think the point has been made over and over
again, and this thread isn't fun anymore.

rl
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  #130  
Old April 30th 06, 05:09 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

You have my express permission to print every word
I posted in this newsgroup and forward it to whomever
you so desire.


scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of the
various arguments that have been put forth here.

rl
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Old April 30th 06, 06:01 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Rhonda Lea Kirk wrote:

Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:

You have my express permission to print every word
I posted in this newsgroup and forward it to whomever
you so desire.


scratches head Y'know...I hadn't even thought about that.

Interesting point. And off the top of my head, I'm not sure what is
permissible. Copyright and fair use drive me crazy.

Maybe just to keep it nice and clean, I'll stick to a summary of the
various arguments that have been put forth here.


You really don't need any permission to use these posts, unless you were
reproducing them for sale.

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Old April 30th 06, 11:25 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [Phony MVP] wrote:
Except for the motherboard....


Why do you LIE? NOWHERE in the EULA does it say that. I just replaced
one and it activated on line and passed the WGA. So, you must be saying
that MS is wrong and you are right. Have you informed them of this yet?

Alias

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Old April 30th 06, 11:41 AM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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Carey Frisch [MVP] wrote:
Sorry, but a preinstalled OEM Dell customized version
of Windows XP will not activate if a non-Dell motherboard
is installed. The Dell issued OEM license for Windows XP
will only activate with an approved Dell motherboard.


So are you now saying its just branded OEMs affected?


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Old April 30th 06, 12:48 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote in message
...
In summary, here are the facts regarding Microsoft OEM licensing,
whether it is a generic OEM or PC manufacturer's preinstalled OEM:

1. An OEM license is a single-use license.


And the difference between this particular restriction and the retail
version with a single use restriction?
Means nothing.

2. An OEM license is licensed for use only on the first computer
it is installed and activated on.


What is a "computer" exactly? Define the hardware components as stated in
"computer".

3. An OEM license is non-transferable to a different computer.


See above question. Define "different" within that context.

4. An OEM license is permanently tied to the motherboard BIOS.


Bull****. Generic OEM install CDs don't care about the PC's bios.

5. If a motherboard becomes defective, it must be replaced with
an identical make and model, otherwise the OEM license is invalid
and a new license is required.


Well, MS didn't care when I presented all the information in a phone call
for new activation code. Generic OEM install, new and very different
motherboard blah blah. They just want the original product ID code, and
they gave me a new one in my case.

Of course we've been round and round with this. And you don't acknowledge
reality. Only reprint MS dogma.

--
Carey Frisch
Microsoft MVP
Windows - Shell/User
Microsoft Community Newsgroups
news://msnews.microsoft.com/


If you're offering legal advice by reprinting the EULA restrictions, not
advisable as you seem to be unable to interpret some things within the
reprint.

If you're not offering legal advice, please advise all.

Pertinent as the OP was asking for legal advice. If in doubt, read the OP
again.
--
Jonny


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Old April 30th 06, 12:56 PM posted to microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
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"kurttrail" wrote in message
...
Jonny wrote:

"KDagnell" wrote in message
...
Hi there,

My motherboard has died and I need to transfer reinstall Windows off
my oem
disk - a friend tells me that this would breach lisencing and I need
a new version!

Is this true and is there anything else that I should know regarding
this?


Don't see any persons here qualified to provide legal advice, just
their opinions.

You seem to be implying that you're replacing the motherboard. If
this is incorrect, ignore further. My experience shows with XP
generic OEM, when swapping motherboards, MS doesn't give hoot. Even
when you call them for a product ID explaining the situation
truthfully.
A recovery CD provides incorrect drivers for different motherboard,
and its internals. As does a specific XP OEM install CD. If the
same or highly similar motherboard, no sweat.

The legality question, am not qualified to answer that without any
background in that area.


Can you read? If so, then you should see for yourself that this
motherboard cannot be changed nonsense is not part of any license that was
agreed to. I doesn't take a law degree to see that.

This is not a legal opinion, just friggin' common sense.

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"It'll soon shake your Windows
And rattle your walls
For the times they are a-changin'."


Who rattled your cage from my end?
Throw darts at the dartboard.
I confirmed that a motherboard could be changed with MS full knowing it.
Both by a phone conversation acknowledging it and them providing a new
activation code. I quoted no EULA restriction or any other MS dogma in my
reply here. I simply quoted an experience that is a full 180 degree
difference from what some others say is true. And in agreement with your
perception in many respects...
Have a nice day.
--
Jonny


 




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