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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On 3/14/19 2:17 PM, Paul wrote:
Â*Â*Â*WoeUSBÂ*isÂ*availableÂ*inÂ*theÂ*mainÂ*WebUpd 8Â*PPA,Â*for Â*Â*Â*UbuntuÂ*17.04,Â*16.10,Â*16.04Â*orÂ*14.04Â*/Â*LinuxÂ*MintÂ*18.xÂ*orÂ*17.x. Fedora too |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On 3/15/19 7:13 PM, T wrote:
On 3/14/19 3:00 PM, Mike wrote: On 3/13/2019 9:04 PM, bilsch wrote: I currently have no Windows system on any PC.Â* I have Ubuntu. I want to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop).Â* I can make a bootable USB stick using linux command line something like: dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb I know how to do that. What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will need to enter during installation.Â* I prefer to get the file from Microsoft if possible.Â* TIA.Â*Â* Bill S. This thread has gone all over the map. What's the objective? If it's to get win10 on a machine, then Do you have two friends?Â* It's highly likely that at least one of them has a windows machine that can run media creation tool to create a win10 install thumbdrive.Â* You could probably do it at a library, but they may restrict operations like that. Stuff the usb into your machine and install windows. Unless they've changed it in the last few weeks, win10 works just fine without a key. Once you've decided that you like it,Â* you have to decide whether you want to risk MS retracting their offer to run without a key or purchase a key to activate it.Â* You have to make sure the key works with the version you've installed.Â* It may be that a win8 or win7 key will work, maybe, sometimes. I've seen no consistency in what they will accept on any machine. According to the many discussions on the web, cheap keys are a crap shoot. I expect that most of the keys purchased cheap are illegal/non-compliant copied keys.Â* That they work at all is because MS has not yet discovered it or that they let is pass...until they don't. Stated another way, I don't believe that a cheap key off ebay is any safer in the long run than running unactivated. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. The effort expended on this thread is already far in excess of what it would have taken you to quit futzing around with linux and use a windows machine to make the windows install thumbdrive. Jonathan instructions with woeusb work perfectly for me on Fedora 29.Â* Should work perfectly for you too on ubooboo (I can't spell ubuntoo) Here is the web site to download 10's ISO: Windows Nein (Son-of-Frankenstein) ISO download site: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...d/windows10ISO |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
T wrote:
On 3/15/19 3:10 PM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: Paul wrote: It is, after all, a fork of another tool. Which means a miscreant *could* be a malware expert and not a boot expert, just reusing the boot-making code and be up to monkey-business. 1) The PPA is on launchpad and is copen for all to review 2) The code is on github https://github.com/slacka/WoeUSB and the source is also reviewable and open for comments by others. Big difference in transparency with OpenSource where the code is open for review, whereas Win-folks have to trust the binaries they install without hesitation. You only install things from the Microsoft Store? With Windows Stuff, I always run them through Virus Total before trusting them And you don't really "trust" them. Doing that is only a cursory examination. If someone discovers a new exploit, and offers it in a download, how much good do you think Virustotal is going to do ? And the authors of badware have to be careful. At least on one occasion, a malware author "showed their skirt in public" once too often. They were careless in handling a new creation. And a malware researcher got a sample to look at, before the malware was "launched". And the item in question was totally ineffective at launch, because everyone by that time knew about the exploit. But we can't plan on malware people being stupid enough to test a new exploit against Virustotal. As an indicator that they're off Scott Free. Trust involves a number of things. Including some history of the product too. If a product pops up "today" and passes a Virustotal scan "today", that's hardly enough history for any sort of trust. If a product has had the same sha256 for the last two years, and it's still passing virustotal, I feel "warmer" but there's still no reason to celebrate. There have been some recent instances of ransomware which remains submerged for a month before attacking. You would think there would be little benefit from waiting to attack, and that a resident AV could destroy your creation in that one month interval. There are people though, who are using exactly that approach, and, with some success. And that to me is a nightmare scenario. It implies the bad guys feel "immune" for some reason. And that they're not going to get caught. Paul |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick using linux command line something like: dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb I know how to do that. What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S. One other small point. https://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/prod...i3-2310m-21ghz Processor and Chipset * Intel Core i3 2310M Processor (2.1GHz, 3MB cache) Intel HD Graphics 3000 * Intel HM67 Express Chipset Operating System Windows 7 Home Premium === System Memory 2GB 1 DIMM DDR3 1333MHz This machine already qualifies for a *free* upgrade to Windows 10 Home. So your first step is doing the install. Executing the setup.exe from the ISO is all that's needed. (It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a freeware one as far as I know.) Win7 SP1 Home Premium == Free Win10 Home Win7 SP1 Professional == Free Win10 Pro Win8.1 Home ["Core"] == Free Win10 Home Win8.1 Professional == Free Win10 Pro https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html Subsequent steps are acquisition of license key materials. For example, when installing Windows 10, you can try typing in the key from the Win7 COA sticker on the laptop. (You would do that if attempting a clean install by booting the USB key.) Or, if you restore Win7 using the factory disc images, you can use that as your bootstrap mechanism. If you want Win10 Pro, that could be a free upgrade from Win7 Pro. But you're unlikely to have Win7 Professional on the machine, and more likely to have Win7 Home Premium (that's what is on my laptop). Make sure it is upgraded to SP1, before attempting any Win10 work, if you want to try and get the free Win10 Home upgrade. If the existing image is x64, then the upgrade install should be x64 as well. If clean installing Win10 later, it will automatically activate without help from you - except maybe in cases where you entered another key or something. If multiple keys are involved on a computer, you'd have to be careful later to verify what key it is using. Paul |
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T wrote:
Fedora 29 # dnf install woeusb Last metadata expiration check: 0:51:18 ago on Fri 15 Mar 2019 05:49:18 PM PDT. No match for argument: woeusb Â* * Maybe you meant: WoeUSB Error: Unable to find a match # dnf install WoeUSB On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase: apt-cache policy woeusb woeusb: Installed: 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0 Candidate: 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0 Version table: *** 3.2.12-1~webupd8~xenial0 500 500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/nilarimogard/webupd8/ubuntu xenial/main amd64 Packages 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
Paul wrote:
(It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a freeware one as far as I know.) You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with "freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy! -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On 3/15/2019 10:10 PM, Paul wrote:
There have been some recent instances of ransomware which remains submerged for a month before attacking. You would think there would be little benefit from waiting to attack, and that a resident AV could destroy your creation in that one month interval. There are people though, who are using exactly that approach, and, with some success. And that to me is a nightmare scenario. It implies the bad guys feel "immune" for some reason. And that they're not going to get caught. Â*Â* Paul It's about the smoking gun. If you install something and ransomware deploys, you have a good idea how you got it. A month later, the trail is cold. |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Paul wrote: (It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a freeware one as far as I know.) You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with "freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy! That one has been around for years. That web site has some relationship with Passmark (commercial). They used a separate domain for promotion. https://www.osforensics.com/tools/mo...sk-images.html https://www.passmark.com/about/ The osforensics item is a lead-in to some products they sell. The mounter would be the bottom layer of whatever is in those "cardboard boxes" in the picture. https://www.osforensics.com/products.html You can go back further, and dig out that copy of Nero if you want. That's commercial. But if you don't have a virtual CD mounter, and you're not running Win8 or Win10 (which have internal ISO mounters for your usage), there is the osforensics one. You can use 7ZIP to open an ISO, but that's not a mounter, and staging materials from an ISO somewhere doesn't always work (the install scripts might not like the contents being moved away from their "root"). The thing I have to watch out for on commercial offerings, is large downloads which sport OpenCandy. Like something Easeus would try. Or CamStudio (not commercial) might try, multiple times. Even a Java Runtime from Oracle, could have a payload, although I've had trouble reproducing the experience of others on that. Paul |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
Paul wrote:
Jonathan N. Little wrote: Paul wrote: (It helps, with Win7, if you have a virtual DVD mounter. There is a freeware one as far as I know.) You balk at a PPA and OpenSource software for Linux yet no issue with "freeware" binaries for Windows? I call hypocrisy! That one has been around for years. That web site has some relationship with Passmark (commercial). They used a separate domain for promotion. snip For one you did not specify the "freeware" by name, good job of side stepping the point. Somehow a "freeware" Windows binary is "safe and trustworthy" yet and OpenSource with the actual code is open for review and inspection for Linux is "suspect"? Sorry not buying it. -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
bilsch wrote:
I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick using linux command line something like: dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb I know how to do that. What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S. Using woeusb (in a VM), I was able to make a USB stick with the current Win10 download ISO. Win10_1809Oct_English_x64.iso 5,075,539,968 bytes The "install.wim" in sources folder on that ISO, is too large for FAT32. The USB stick partition used by woeusb, should be NTFS. As woeusb handles NTFS OK. ******* Before I started my install, I backed up the MBR using "dd". dd if=/dev/sda of=~/mbrsda.bin bs=512 count=1 Then, I install WIN10PRO, which breaks Ubuntu boot. I boot a LiveCD and do this, and this puts back the Ubuntu boot code for the first stage of GRUB. dd if=~/mbrsda.bin of=/dev/sda bs=440 count=1 Reboot, now the Ubuntu menu doesn't have WIndows yet. sudo update-grub You should see "Windows 10" mentioned near the end of the detection, if "osprober" package is present to do the job. On the next reboot, the GRUB menu will be present again, and you can cursor down to the Win10 entry when wanting to chainload Win10. It even works with only a single primary partition left before the install begins. https://i.postimg.cc/c4crqh7D/WIN10-done.gif Paul |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote:
On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase: I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote:
On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase: I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way So you can type it with one finger? |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
Sam E wrote:
On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote: On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase: I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way So you can type it with one finger? At least neither do stupid crap like embedded spaces... C:\Program Files C:\Program Files (x86) When is MSFT going to finally dump that legacy as they did with Documents and Settings? While they are at it dump drive letters too and adopt some type of FHS as Linux has so you can easily move all user data to a different drive or partition without breaking updates... -- Take care, Jonathan ------------------- LITTLE WORKS STUDIO http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
Jonathan N. Little wrote:
Sam E wrote: On 3/20/19 5:19 AM, T wrote: On 3/16/19 8:33 AM, Jonathan N. Little wrote: On debian distros they keep the package names lowercase: I have no idea why Fedora like to do it that way So you can type it with one finger? At least neither do stupid crap like embedded spaces... C:\Program Files C:\Program Files (x86) When is MSFT going to finally dump that legacy as they did with Documents and Settings? While they are at it dump drive letters too and adopt some type of FHS as Linux has so you can easily move all user data to a different drive or partition without breaking updates... /dev/sdx /dev/sdy /dev/sdz ??? what comes next ? :-) And GPT has 128 partitions. Could we have /dev/sdzzz127 Does the naming scheme handle stuff like that ? As for what "interests" Microsoft, they will move "heaven and earth" for topics that affect a business plan. For example, years ago "oh, we can only do upgrade installs for the most recent OS". So you can do Vista to Win7, but not WinXP to Win7. Then, when it becomes apparent they need to "drag along" Windows 7 users into the Windows 10 camp, magically the installer is improved so it can do Win7 to Win10, Win8.1 to Win10. As if they could handle multiple OS combinations, all along. When you see strange things happen (like the release a few days ago of a new version of DirectX for Win7), you have to ask yourself "what business plan is that part of". They have "rules" they'll tell you about, when they "don't want to do something", then they break the rules when it suits them. If Azure needed "Documents and Settings" to lose the space characters, that would get done in about a microsecond :-) Paul |
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Can I install Win 10 like this?
On Wed, 13 Mar 2019 21:04:41 -0700, bilsch
wrote: I currently have no Windows system on any PC. I have Ubuntu. I want to purchase and download a Win10 bootable install iso for use on another PC (an old Dell Inspiron N4110 laptop). I can make a bootable USB stick using linux command line something like: dd if=windowsinstall.iso of=/dev/sdb I know how to do that. What i need to know is where to purchase and download the iso file that will boot the laptop into the Windows 10 installation routine. I assume I will get a long registration code when I purchase the file that I will need to enter during installation. I prefer to get the file from Microsoft if possible. TIA. Bill S. Download the Windows 10 install ISO from Microsoft. |
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