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Old June 23rd 18, 09:06 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Need to know if this site shows as insecure in Internet Explorer

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

Shows as having a certificate from an unknown issuer in Pale Moon on
Windows 8.1. The Firefox users I've asked over on Mozilla's news server
are here and there with their answers-mostly because I inadvertently
gave them a partial URL instead of the full one to the login page,
giving most of them blank screens. I corrected it in a later post but
no one picked up on it again.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any of you trying to hit the URL as I've given it
here and letting me know if IE has any issues with its security. Trying
to decide whether to bypass the error or not.
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Old June 23rd 18, 09:47 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Need to know if this site shows as insecure in Internet Explorer

On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:06:15 -0500, none wrote:

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

Shows as having a certificate from an unknown issuer in Pale Moon on
Windows 8.1.


No error here in IE or Firefox.

Here are the certificate details
Screen-shot --- https://i.imgur.com/9jcx0mN.png

Check Pale Moon's certificate store to see whether it has the right
CA certificates.


The Firefox users I've asked over on Mozilla's news server
are here and there with their answers-mostly because I inadvertently
gave them a partial URL instead of the full one to the login page,
giving most of them blank screens. I corrected it in a later post but
no one picked up on it again.

Anyway, I'd appreciate any of you trying to hit the URL as I've given it
here and letting me know if IE has any issues with its security. Trying
to decide whether to bypass the error or not.



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Ralph
  #3  
Old June 23rd 18, 10:38 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 06/23/2018 15:47, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:06:15 -0500, none wrote:

https://mywater.kcmo.org/cus/mcuslogin.jsp

No error here in IE or Firefox.


Check Pale Moon's certificate store to see whether it has the right
CA certificates.


As far as it goes you were right-it doesn't.

I went and did some more homework. Pale Moon throws an error because
the site doesn't send the intermediate certificate that it's supposed
to, which leaves the certificate chain incomplete. You didn't see that
in Internet Explorer because IE supports Authority Information Access
fetching-it grabs the missing cert from the CA to complete the chain.
Firefox and Pale Moon (which is forked from Firefox) don't support AIA
(another childish spat between alternative browser and website
developers that leaves end users in the lurch and drives more and more
of them back to IE).

Anyway, I was able to manually retrieve and install the cert by looking
at the AIA URL on the certificate. Now I can pay my water bills online
again.

Thanks, Ralph for trying to help.
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Old June 23rd 18, 11:01 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 16:38:24 -0500, none wrote:

that leaves end users in the lurch and drives more and more
of them back to IE



Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is under 10% and declining.
Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png


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Old June 24th 18, 02:34 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Got it sorted (Was: Need to know if this site shows as insecure in Internet Explorer)

On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png


I'm sorry to hear that. I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox. I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers. Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...
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Old June 24th 18, 02:55 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Got it sorted (Was: Need to know if this site shows as insecurein Internet Explorer)

KenW wrote:
On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:34:55 -0400, Nil
wrote:

On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png

I'm sorry to hear that. I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox. I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers. Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...


If you are worried about privacy, stay off of the net PERIOD.
Since switching from FF to Chrome, I haven't had a site not render
correctly.

KenW


That's not the question though.

If I visit Newegg and look for a product like say a
SATA cable, then visit my favorite news site, should
I be confronted with a 6" x 2" banner advert from
Newegg, full of SATA cables ? Some of these banner adverts
packed full of images of stuff, are sucking the life out
of the browser, and you can barely scroll.

The adverts got there by tracking. Tracking that's
very difficult to get rid of. All it takes is your
browser logging into Google and collecting info
for "places.sqlite" or the like, to identify who you
are, and bring back the Newegg adverts again. That's
because just as many Google cookies are used to track
you as Newegg cookies.

It's one thing for Newegg to keep a cookie and show
me SATA cables the next time I visit Newegg. It's another
to turn my browser usage into a constant barrage
of Newegg adverts.

Paul
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Old June 24th 18, 05:03 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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Default Got it sorted (Was: Need to know if this site shows as insecure in Internet Explorer)

On 23 Jun 2018, KenW
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If you are worried about privacy, stay off of the net PERIOD.


Irrelevant and illogical. If you have no questions about internet
privacy, you are sadly naive. And if you do have questions, please take
your own advice immediately.

Since switching from FF to Chrome, I haven't had a site not render
correctly.


Also irrelevant. Since using Firefox I haven't had a site not render
correctly.
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Old June 24th 18, 05:54 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sat, 23 Jun 2018 21:34:55 -0400, Nil wrote:
On 23 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Users are going to Chrome, not to IE.

Chrome has around 60% of the desktop browser market share. IE is
under 10% and declining. Times have changed.
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...901-201707.png


I'm sorry to hear that.


Google ran what has proven to be an effective campaign to push Chrome,
on several fronts (including drive-by downloads).

I quite dislike Chrome, though I use it on one
of my computers because it seems to use slightly less resources than
my first choice, Firefox.


I used to use K-Meleon for this reason. Unfortunately the latest
stable release is nearly 3 years old.
http://kmeleonbrowser.org/

I find Chrome to be more annoying and less
functional than most other browsers.


I have heaps of bookmarks, and I much prefer Firefox for this.

Not to mention the Google privacy
questions...


For this, look at one of the alternative Chromium builds such as
SRWare Iron.
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php


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Ralph

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Old June 24th 18, 08:29 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 24 Jun 2018, Ralph Fox wrote in
alt.comp.os.windows-8:

Google ran what has proven to be an effective campaign to push
Chrome, on several fronts (including drive-by downloads).


Almost every computer I've been asked to fix has Chrome on it, and
the user can never tell me where it came from. I know that Avast
Free AV and CCleaner, for two, try to sneak it past you during
install.

For this, look at one of the alternative Chromium builds such as
SRWare Iron.
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php


Thanks, I'll check it out. I have Chromium itself as an alternate
browser on one computer, but it's been many moons since I actually
ran it.
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Old June 24th 18, 11:39 AM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 00:03:19 -0400, Nil wrote:

On 23 Jun 2018, KenW
wrote in alt.comp.os.windows-8:

If you are worried about privacy, stay off of the net PERIOD.


Irrelevant and illogical. If you have no questions about internet
privacy, you are sadly naive. And if you do have questions, please take
your own advice immediately.

Since switching from FF to Chrome, I haven't had a site not render
correctly.


Also irrelevant. Since using Firefox I haven't had a site not render
correctly.


But how would you know?
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Old June 24th 18, 02:00 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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"Ralph Fox" wrote

| Google ran what has proven to be an effective campaign to push Chrome,
| on several fronts (including drive-by downloads).
|

There was an article this week in NYT claiming
that Firefox is making a comeback. Generally they
were saying that Mozilla has made big improvements,
especially with privacy, and put FF "back in the
running".

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/20/t...r-privacy.html

(Requires cookies)

Though the article is by Brian Chen. It's been my
experience that he and his AppleSeed sidekick,
Farhad Manjoo, are not in the business of writing
intelligent analysis of tech trends. Their articles
tend to read as loosely editied press releases. I
suspect that's probably what they are.

And Firefox hardly has a good privacy record. It's
good for privacy *only* for people who are intimately
familiar with the settings, prefs, and extensions. The
one advantage Mozilla has over Google is that they're
still, at least in theory, a non-profit and seem to have
a number of employees who consider decency to be
a mission.

| Not to mention the Google privacy
| questions...
|
| For this, look at one of the alternative Chromium builds such as
| SRWare Iron.
| http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_chrome_vs_iron.php
|

Caveat emptor. I downloaded Iron recently because
I wanted to check my webpages in a variety of
recent browsers. So I got Midori in lieu of Safari
and Iron in lieu of Chrome. Iron tried to call home
immediately without asking, to start-iron.com.

When I blocked that it tried to call Google. That's
exactly what they claim it doesn't do. I wasn't even
doing a search or loading a webpage. I never let it
through the firewall to begin with. I was only loading
my local webpages to check the rendering. It just
started trying to call out.

Many people don't mind the trick of calling home
at first start, but there is a principle the Software
that does it is not respecting privacy/property. But
even if you don't mind that, for Iron to try to call
Google without asking makes their whole presentation
a lie.


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Old June 24th 18, 06:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 24 Jun 2018, mechanic wrote in
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On Sun, 24 Jun 2018 00:03:19 -0400, Nil wrote:
Also irrelevant. Since using Firefox I haven't had a site not
render correctly.


But how would you know?


By comparing the site with other browsers.

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Old July 13th 18, 05:03 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 24/06/2018 02:55, Paul wrote:

That's not the question though.

If I visit Newegg and look for a product like say a
SATA cable, then visit my favorite news site, should
I be confronted with a 6" x 2" banner advert from
Newegg, full of SATA cables ? Some of these banner adverts
packed full of images of stuff, are sucking the life out
of the browser, and you can barely scroll.

The adverts got there by tracking. Tracking that's
very difficult to get rid of. All it takes is your
browser logging into Google and collecting info
for "places.sqlite" or the like, to identify who you
are, and bring back the Newegg adverts again. That's
because just as many Google cookies are used to track
you as Newegg cookies.

It's one thing for Newegg to keep a cookie and show
me SATA cables the next time I visit Newegg. It's another
to turn my browser usage into a constant barrage
of Newegg adverts.

** Paul


Turn off third party cookies and set the do-not-track flag?

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Old July 13th 18, 11:14 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:03:05 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 24/06/2018 02:55, Paul wrote:

That's not the question though.

If I visit Newegg and look for a product like say a
SATA cable, then visit my favorite news site, should
I be confronted with a 6" x 2" banner advert from
Newegg, full of SATA cables ? Some of these banner adverts
packed full of images of stuff, are sucking the life out
of the browser, and you can barely scroll.

The adverts got there by tracking. Tracking that's
very difficult to get rid of. All it takes is your
browser logging into Google and collecting info
for "places.sqlite" or the like, to identify who you
are, and bring back the Newegg adverts again. That's
because just as many Google cookies are used to track
you as Newegg cookies.

It's one thing for Newegg to keep a cookie and show
me SATA cables the next time I visit Newegg. It's another
to turn my browser usage into a constant barrage
of Newegg adverts.

** Paul


Turn off third party cookies and set the do-not-track flag?



I do not turn off third party cookies any more. Instead,
* I configure my browser to only keep cookies until I close it
* After logging out of Google, I close and restart my browser
to clear cookies.
* I use a master password so my browser cannot log into Google
by itself.

I found that some sites could not work without third-party cookies.
For example, I could not top up my mobile phone. The phone company
outsourced payments processing to a third party who does it securely.
The third party used cookies to track through the steps of topping
up. With third party cookies turned off, I kept going around in
circles on the top-up page.


The do-not-track flag is like putting a sign outside your home saying
"do not burgle" -- a sign which real burglars will ignore. Set the
do-not-track flag if it makes you feel good, but do not expect much.


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Ralph
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Old July 14th 18, 05:49 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-8
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On 13/07/2018 23:14, Ralph Fox wrote:
On Fri, 13 Jul 2018 17:03:05 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote:

On 24/06/2018 02:55, Paul wrote:

That's not the question though.

If I visit Newegg and look for a product like say a
SATA cable, then visit my favorite news site, should
I be confronted with a 6" x 2" banner advert from
Newegg, full of SATA cables ? Some of these banner adverts
packed full of images of stuff, are sucking the life out
of the browser, and you can barely scroll.

The adverts got there by tracking. Tracking that's
very difficult to get rid of. All it takes is your
browser logging into Google and collecting info
for "places.sqlite" or the like, to identify who you
are, and bring back the Newegg adverts again. That's
because just as many Google cookies are used to track
you as Newegg cookies.

It's one thing for Newegg to keep a cookie and show
me SATA cables the next time I visit Newegg. It's another
to turn my browser usage into a constant barrage
of Newegg adverts.

** Paul


Turn off third party cookies and set the do-not-track flag?



I do not turn off third party cookies any more. Instead,
* I configure my browser to only keep cookies until I close it
* After logging out of Google, I close and restart my browser
to clear cookies.
* I use a master password so my browser cannot log into Google
by itself.

I found that some sites could not work without third-party cookies.
For example, I could not top up my mobile phone. The phone company
outsourced payments processing to a third party who does it securely.
The third party used cookies to track through the steps of topping
up. With third party cookies turned off, I kept going around in
circles on the top-up page.


Then you enter the mobile phone site as an exception to the no third
party cookies rule.

The do-not-track flag is like putting a sign outside your home saying
"do not burgle" -- a sign which real burglars will ignore. Set the
do-not-track flag if it makes you feel good, but do not expect much.


Well yes, but presumably a few people are obeying it.

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